Why pick out SMSFs?
I totally disagree with the principle, but if such were to be legislated why wouldn't it equally apply to all forms of Super?
For god's sake, the whole idea of having a SMSF is so that the trustees can make their own decisions about where to invest.
I have no doubt that SMSF's should not be permitted to invest in non-APRA approved investments.
We'll never agree with each other - perhaps an old adage I once heard in the army is applicable, "if in doubt, DON'T!"
But why pick out SMSFs? Why not apply the same principle to all Superannuation? If your proposition were to be logical you would have to apply it right across all Super. People who have Super in public super funds don't usually even know where it's being placed. Do they know that their shares are regularly loaned out e.g.?There are other reasons why people would choose a SMSF. Reasons may include the control of trustees being able to make their own decisions about where to invest, but reasons such as security, more flexibility, estate planning, costs etc also come into it..
But the PURPOSE for superannuation saving is to provide for retirement income, and this should be imo ROCK SOLID.
Seems a pretty logical assumption.As for these mortgage funds I have not been near them. Haven't even read a prospectus. I just assumed they were established to provide borrowing to those who could not get a loan from a bank because they did not meet the bank's lending criteria (and the bank's can get it horribly wrong) and so were way up the risk curve.
Yes, ya gotta restrict "them" - those who are less able to make decisions. So, it's better for "them" to invest in APRA approved MIFs/MISs (as opposed to such schemes which are not APRA approved) - great idea Klogg. I think you're onto something there. After all, there's so much regulation in relation to SMSFs already, a little bit more isn't too much of a problem.
The topic is interesting. Seems a pity, therefore, when genuinely offered considerations are ignored in favour of facetiousness.A decision was handed to me from "up high" - my view is right, SMSFs should only be permitted to invest in APRA approved MISs/MIFs - Julia's view is misguided. AMEN
Thank you God.
The topic is interesting. Seems a pity, therefore, when genuinely offered considerations are ignored in favour of facetiousness.
''But why pick out SMSFs? Why not apply the same principle to all Superannuation? If your proposition were to be logical you would have to apply it right across all Super. People who have Super in public super funds don't usually even know where it's being placed. Do they know that their shares are regularly loaned out e.g.?
I doubt it in most cases.....''
Would hate to be a killjoy, ASICK. The facetiousness was understandable and entirely forgivable.Point taken - I won't drink & post again - sorry.
Thank you for that, k.smith. I've never had anything to do with public Super funds and had no idea they were APRA regulated. Much appreciate the correction.Unlike SMSF, Superannuation Funds are covered by APRA, who monitors their risk management.
All these considerations bring me back to the conclusion that the best defense any individual has against shonky operators, whether apparently regulated or not, is to acquire some personal financial literacy in order to be able to avoid allowing anyone else the management of your own money.
At the same time, is there anything in the legislation which actually prevents these Super funds from investing in such as Banksia should the fund managers deem it appropriate?
Another question: Why does the government allow fund trustees to lend shares owned by their members to facilitate short selling by hedge fund and other traders? The trustees are lending shares they hold only as trustees, raising the question of whether they are acting in the best interests of members.
Given the poor performance of public super funds in recent times, it would seem reasonable to question the judgment of super fund managers and whether they are necessarily acting in the best interests of their members.
All these considerations bring me back to the conclusion that the best defence any individual has against shonky operators, whether apparently regulated or not, is to acquire some personal financial literacy in order to be able to avoid allowing anyone else the management of your own money.
''... Banksia and other such entities would be perfectly acceptable investment vehicles for SMSF unless such an investment class was restricted by the fund's investment strategy....''.
The comments are 100% accurate. If only more people would accept the reality instead of continuing to imagine all financial advisers and fund managers have the clients' best interests at heart.Julia, did you read this?
... I understand the anger at losing money, and the reaction to cry for more legislation, but truly, a superior response is to encourage more people to take personal responsibility for their own financial outcomes. ...
I'm not here to evangelise, ASICK. If it suits you to choose not to take any suggested path, then that's fine with me. Maybe then, however, don't come here and complain about how you have been done over.If only God had created us equally, and then gave us all an equal opportunity :
http://www.indiana.edu/~intell/bellcurve.shtml
Disclaimer: Sorry - I've been drinking and posting again - but it's okay - I don't need a licence.
The comments are 100% accurate. If only more people would accept the reality instead of continuing to imagine all financial advisers and fund managers have the clients' best interests at heart.
(As always, I absolutely acknowledge that there are decent, honest people in these roles. The problem is that, without any basic financial literacy, it's very difficult for the average person to discern the competence or otherwise of these advisers).
On the Storm Financial thread, it has repeatedly been claimed that "we should be able to trust absolutely the advice of any licensed financial planner/adviser". Yes. In a perfect world, we should all be able to trust that anyone with a qualification in any field will be competent, have integrity, and act in our best interests.
But we do not live in a perfect world and need to deal with the reality that shonky operators abound in all fields, including that of finance, and take this into account when making financial decisions.
I'm still incredulous that it was considered necessary to legislate that "advisers must act in the best interests of their clients" in the wake of the enquiry. That said it all imo.
I understand the anger at losing money, and the reaction to cry for more legislation, but truly, a superior response is to encourage more people to take personal responsibility for their own financial outcomes.
There is, I think, a misconception that this is far more complicated and difficult than it actually is, perhaps due to such an esoteric notion being promoted by professional advisers in order to protect their own position.
Congratulations, k.smith, on deciding to take charge of your own financial situation. Absolutely no one will have a greater interest in its success than you.
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