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That's because you obviously haven't read Seth Klarmans "Margin of Safety" wherein he explains all of this at the beginning of the book. Some excerpts
re smallcaps
But more importantly on the general "who is the patsy at the table that craft takes money off when he's winning":
Klarman posits that the largest money in the market - instos - are indexing. This is literally antithetical to the idea of a stockmarket, i.e. capital formation for the companies with the highest ROC, where instead you invest in a company regardless of its ROC, or any fundamental factor whatsoever. In the index case whoever has the largest market cap (shares on issue * current price) is invested in most heavily. The more people who index, the less efficient the market becomes - stocks outside the index are underpriced and undertraded relative to those in it. You are often allocating more money to companies that destroy value than those who create it.
Not just that but there are plenty of other irrational, similar, reasons covered at the beginning of the book that explains where the largest market inefficiencies that a value investor can capture come from:
* Securities in the index are often playthings for speculators and wannabe arbitrageurs, resulting in significant overtrading relative to their fundamental value and this overtrading (while giving the appearance of liquidity) is often the source of return drag. Low liquidity stocks outperform high liquidity stocks across all market cap quantiles. Low liquidity value outperforms low liquidity growth, low liquidity smallcap value outperforms low liquidity large growth, and so on.
* Funds don't necessarily choose when they sell - long only funds often prefer to retain earnings than sell a security looking for another representing better value and capital formation properties so they will still be holding stocks at "the top" when Klarman is in cash. Leveraged funds might sell an entire holding on a drawdown that's 1 tick beyond their pain point. and so on....
I suggest reading the book.
Ha ha. You probably read at 2000 words per minute Sinner! Given the book has 76,736 words in it, you'd eat it in less than 45 mins! Crikey dude...please let me know the name of your speed reading coach. I am awed by your depth of knowledge and I used to read over 100 books a year. Obviously on stupid stuff. Sigh.
You're right. I have not read Klarman's book but think the way he and, thus, Baupost, invests are very interesting. His stock picking ability is out of this world.
Everything you have said is true. I agree with all of it. In terms of the efficiency of index vs active, I would add that there is the Grossman-Stiglitz 2003 "On the impossibility of informationally efficient markets" which also talks about the fact that alpha will be available for harvesting. It's just a matter of who is getting it. It remains available for insto despite his criticisms of how they might, in aggregate, seek to obtain it. He is highlighting peer/career/business risk concerns and these do lead to additional frictions - no argument there.
So, these results stand in the US and just about everywhere else. But they do not hold in Australia? Well, the small cap value premium exists. But I'm just talking about transfer of wealth defined as pure alpha - which is the thing that Baupost/Klarman is talking about. The market is sub zero-sum in terms of transfers. So that's the puzzling part. I agree with Baupost and what you are saying. But if it is true, why then are Aust insto doing so well vs index across the spectrum of cap? I don't get it. This result does not line up with Baupost/Klarman's thesis which I also subscribe to. That's why I am so puzzled. It is a puzzle that no-one that I know of has explained well although some postulates have been put up. In large cap, examination of tick level data shows that the patsy is foreign insto. Retail does alright. They get routinely wrong footed. But why do they stay so stupid (partly it is the thesis above, but also the kinds of stocks they hold and the way they mis-time their market movements)? But as you go down the cap spectrum, this also ceases to become a viable response because the ownership habitat changes - if insto is doing very well on average - who is the patsy in this market? Because it isn't insto. It's foreign insto in large cap, but it is not likely to be that as we move to smalls and micro - they are not active there. However, since retail does alright in large (for reasons other than alpha directional plays, I would add) I am not currently prepared to say it is retail and think I am missing something. But all roads presently lead there by tautology.
Hence the question. I don't know the answer and it seems to defy the postulates you have just added - which I agree with also. Something is exceptional about the Australian market that seems to favour domestic insto. So if the theory doesn't hold against the outcome...we need to look some more. And these results have held for decades.
Do you have a view?