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Absolutely, give it to the private sector, they will bleed the Government dry, then close it IMO.
Rinse wash repeat, why the hell can't politicians put Australia first, put it under Glvernment control and develop the process, then on sell it or bin it.
Why put the private sector in charge of it, they have no skin in the game for green steel it's a Govt intiative, the privates will just milk it and not give a ratz behind about the outcome.
It sounds like another lump of taxpayers money going around the S bend, hopefully we're wrong.
 

The basic thinking at Whyalla is to find a new owner and government will fund repairs and modernisation of the plant, noting much of it's in an extremely run down state, with conditions attached about ongoing operations and so on.

As with anything of course, the devil will be in the legal detail....
 
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Fully agree with the sentiment, however here in W.A we had a blast furnace, which happened to be the most efficient in Australia at changing silicon content in the pig iron produced, with minimal wastage from memory.
As soon as the parent company could divest itself of its obligations to build a steel furnace, it closed.
Australia has a history of companies taking over socially important infrastructure, then stripping them bare and bleeding Governments dry, before the carcass is cast into the ditch.
Hopefully this isn't history repeating, because if it is, I would be surprised if the Government survives the backlash.

Just my thoughts, but I've actually lived through similar stories, I was working at the blast furnace when the tragedy unfolded.

IMO the Government would be far better off owning and using Whyalla as a case study, to see if green steel is possible, before throwing endless amounts of money at private companies scamming and stringing out the dream, until it is dead on the vine and has cost the taxpayers zillions of dollars.
 
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We still haven't learnt the lesson of Hazelwood.
 
In principle I fully agree. I'll post more later.

As for the present owner, well it goes like this.

To make steel you need coke but they ain't got no coke.

To make coke you need coking coal, but they ain't got no coal.

To dig coal out of the ground they need diesel, but it turns out the oil companies aren't running a charity and only supply fuel if they're paid for it.

So no diesel > no coal > no coke > no steel > no money > no diesel > no coal > no coke > no steel > no money > rinse and repeat.

With the added problem that it's all run down, worn out and neglected with major failures having stopped production for months at a time.
 
So someone else will take on board a basket case, on the hope they can not only restore the heap, but also transform it?
Not only that they will put in some of their own money? Really.
Or will we have a company that will try its utmost, with the best intentions to spend the taxpayers money until the Govt says enough is enough.
As I said, it would be far better for the Government to oversee the repairs and modifications $2.2 billion is a lot of money.
 
So someone else will take on board a basket case, on the hope they can not only restore the heap, but also transform it?
Not only that they will put in some of their own money? Really
I see two likely outcomes:

1. Bluescope buys it and gains an effective monopoly on steel, probably along with legislation that at least somewhat tilts the market in their favour.

2. Outright nationalisation.

With an outlying chance someone else buys it.

Politically the interesting thing is the effectively universal support for action. It's one of those rare moments when Labor, Liberal, Greens, One Nation and various other independents and minor parties have all agreed something needs to be done. Hence the legislation which kicked this off apparently went through both houses of state parliament in under an hour.

That political consensus does lead me to think our politicians perhaps have "other" information not in the public domain of broader consequence.
 
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Estimates to upgrade the steel plant to world class standards are at 6 billion dollars, add another billion for the hydrogen plant and you have a nice chunk of taxpayer dollars invested in a government owned company. Run by unions, administered by unions, financed by taxpayers.

Maybe a better idea would be to use a union super funds to invest in the plant.

I would like to see that go to an election.
 
As I said, it would be far better for the Government to oversee the repairs and modifications $2.2 billion is a lot of money.

Those in the know are already saying that the figure needs to be doubled to get the plant to a viable level and size.
 
There are precedents for things working in similar situations albeit quite some time ago.

They key is to put competent people in charge, keep the focus on running a viable business, and lock things in under long term contracts.

It does need the right mindset though and that comes down to getting the right people in all key positions.

In a technical sense my thought is it'll end up with a direct reduced iron plant being built, then take that still hot DRI directly into an electric arc furnace. Doing that on the same site achieves an energy saving compared to doing it separately, since the DRI is still hot, and also avoids briquetting as a process step.

Then upgrade the existing casting and rolling mill.

Noting that's speculation on my part and that there's nothing radical about this approach technically.

Other thing I'll add is that we do have a major change in sentiment. I mean when the Australian Industry Group's saying nationalisation is an outcome it could live with, well that says it all really. The AIG is being pragmatic there and putting ideology to the side.
 



Australia has become even more of a high-cost economy that has lost the cheap energy advantage that helped build its steel plants, aluminium smelters and industrial processing operations in the 1960s, 70s and 80s.
High hopes shared by Andrew Forrest and others that renewables-based hydrogen would turn Australia into a green energy superpower processor of its rich natural resource base have faded. The Whyalla steel bailout is based on using gas, rather than hydro, to replace coal.


 
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the clive and puline party?
he must think that his money is influenced through prefrences as it sure isnt buying many sets, Senetor Babet was his only real success last eletion

 
What's even stranger, is how the Govt is now pouring money into the private sector to convert to renewables and it is exactly the issue they had with Abbott, when he suggested it in 2014.
Strange how everything has done a complete 180 degree turn.

Abbott cancelled the carbon tax (which has never really taken off anyway) in favour of assisting heavy emmitting businesses to clean their processes and he was absolutely trashed for suggesting it. Lol

Now we have Govt's paying coal generators to stay running and smelters getting huge handouts and it's a Labor initiative.
Not that I think it's wrong, just that it shows how hypocritical the whole situation is becoming.


The emissions reduction fund is a vestige of Abbott’s heavily criticised Direct Action policy. Funded by taxpayers initially at $2.5bn, the ERF pays farmers and businesses to cut carbon dioxide pollution to below what it would otherwise be. But an investigation by Guardian Australia last year found it was often difficult to determine if the fund was offering value for money.
 
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Dear old Johnny. A true Cinservative, he did as little as possible when he was in power.

You just proved to me that what has gone wrong with our political system, people like yourself giving an opinion without knowing.

Did you listen to the discussion?

No you did not, as can be seen by how quickly you commented.

I would have a lot more respect for you if you first absorbed the information shared, and then constructively commented.

Instead you are like any old bully, attack and belittle.

So sad that we’ve come to this, after all our past generations sacrificed for us.
 
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