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A silly example of wrong media priorities. A lot of fuss over something that affects a tiny number of people. Forget it and get back to the cost of living.
I expected that. Saying that you refused to look beyond the attention-getter because the factual text that follows doesn't suit your narrative (which, no doubt, you did actually read). Regarding trans issues, it proves that people have a clear choice; become educated or remain ignorant. It's easy to see which choice you made.I got to "RWNJ" and concluded this is waffle that should immediately be discarded from reasonable discussion.
Pfffft
You might like to consider going through some of his previous general chat threads and decide if his baiting even is worth responding to...I expected that. Saying that you refused to look beyond the attention-getter because the factual text that follows doesn't suit your narrative (which, no doubt, you did actually read). Regarding trans issues, it proves that people have a clear choice; become educated or remain ignorant. It's easy to see which choice you made.
I choose biology... You know, science.I expected that. Saying that you refused to look beyond the attention-getter because the factual text that follows doesn't suit your narrative (which, no doubt, you did actually read). Regarding trans issues, it proves that people have a clear choice; become educated or remain ignorant. It's easy to see which choice you made.
Natural women often have more testosterone then a muscle pig coming off a steroid cycle. It doesn't mean a whole lot.The problem is, all the RWNJ's west of the Blue Mountains (and a good deal of them east of there, too) think that their yokel-based 'expert opinions' somehow hold weight.
Deves should be hung, drawn and quartered for her comments IMHO. The ignorant Great Unwashed, including the PM and many conservative voters, are big on rhetoric and dog whistling, driving fear into themselves and others that somehow, trans people are taking over the world (wait until Hanson says that we are being swamped by trannies!). Deves' pile-on is completely warranted.
Let's look at the issue itself. Deves seems to be saying that girl's and women's sport should be 'protected' from supposedly physically superior Assigned Males At Birth competing against the females, simply because they purposely got their dicks cut off to win against them.
Does anyone here who supports Deve's or Morrison's stance actually know what the transition process involves? I didn't think so.
Androgen Deprivation Therapy must be undertaken for at least 12 months. Within the first month, testosterone levels are reduced to the castrate level. This is less than the small level found in people born and recognised as 'female'. So, 'natural' women have more testosterone than trans women. For trans women, purely due to ADT, muscle mass is significantly reduced, weight is gained, bone thinning is common, post-menopausal symptoms such as hot flushes are constantly endured, and, at best, depression induced from ADT is only just negated by the mental release from gender dysphoria. If a trans woman looks ripped it's because she's worked much harder in the gym than her equivalent fat male counterpart who sits at his desk eating donuts and thinks he deserves superiority, or some blonde bimbo from the northern beaches!
Opponents of trans women competing in female sporting competitions tend to focus on their winning records. From the following article I will highlight this -
The issue bubbles away, but every so often a sports story emerges that puts the issue back in the spotlight. Most recently it was American swimmer Lia Thomas competing in the NCAA college championships.
In mid-March Thomas made history by winning the 500-yard freestyle race, becoming the first transgender woman to win an NCAA title in swimming. Much was made of her performance in beating two Olympic silver medallists.
What wasn't explained was that the 500-yard event is not a distance contested at either the world championships or the Olympic Games. The two silver medallists in Thomas's race were specialists in other events. Thomas's winning time of 4 minutes and 33.24 seconds was almost a full 10 seconds behind the NCAA record for the event, a long way short of the "smashing" of the record others had predicted.
At the same championships, from 18 events, 13 records were broken, three of them by a single swimmer who nobody is talking about.
'It's not the problem they're making it out to be': Why trans sportswomen have become an election issue
Focus has once again turned to the issue of transgender women in sport, leaving more significant issues unchallenged, writes Tracey Holmes.www.abc.net.au
Ahh, so you're one of those who think that sex and gender are always one and the same and that non-binary people don't really exist. Science says otherwise!I choose biology... You know, science.
Point of order, for those who have gone through the lengthy process of transitioning, bone and ligament alignment, particularly around the pelvic area, do in fact change. It is also common for the trans woman to be shorter than when she was pretending to be a man.Men and women's bodies are setup very differently. Ligaments, joints, bones all favour men. I'm not sure if there's a study on muscle memory on those who transition. It gets amplified for those that routinely train.
In boxing/mma I think there needs to be some level of caution.
I think what @moXJO was suggesting is, that women and men have different muscle mass and different body fat mass, as a matter of DNA. Whether they see themselves as male or female, has very little to do with the underlying body type, despite surgery the DNA stays the same from my understanding.Ahh, so you're one of those who think that sex and gender are always one and the same and that non-binary people don't really exist. Science says otherwise!
Those cases where sex is indistinct is miniscule, but concede that they do exist. Yes there is science to support that.Ahh, so you're one of those who think that sex and gender are always one and the same and that non-binary people don't really exist. Science says otherwise!
So as the religious right take over the NSW Liberal party (Morrison inspired pre selections) I see many here have taken the bait and switch tactic arguing about the perils of trans gender women.
You have been sucked in.
Note Morrison is happy to get rid of moderates and back religious right radicals making BS public statements then withdrawing them and apologising, dog whistle at its best.
After reading this discussion another term of Morrison Australia cannot afford but looks like its coming.
If the discussion about transgender athletes can convince you that Morrison will win the election over it, that indicates you don't have a lot of confidence in Albo IMO.So as the religious right take over the NSW Liberal party (Morrison inspired pre selections) I see many here have taken the bait and switch tactic arguing about the perils of trans gender women.
You have been sucked in.
Note Morrison is happy to get rid of moderates and back religious right radicals making BS public statements then withdrawing them and apologising, dog whistle at its best.
After reading this discussion another term of Morrison Australia cannot afford but looks like its coming.
If the discussion about transgender athletes can convince you that Morrison will win the election over it, that indicates you don't have a lot of confidence in Albo IMO.
This transgender issue seems to be an own goal by the NSW guy Keane, making an issue out of something like that is a pointless exercise IMO, as @SirRumpole said it is an issue the sporting bodies will sort out.
Real storm in a teacup, being fanned by the media as usual IMO.
The real issue is IMO, why someone can't run for parliament because they don't agree with something, are we becoming that much much of a "mind controlling" police state?
What is next, if you have been on strike, or on a picket line, or had a speeding ticket, you can't run for parliament, because the media decide you aren't suitable, where does the line end?
Obviously persecution is only acceptable, when it is against a Christian, or someone who doesn't agree 100% with the media and transgender acceptance in female sport, there certainly are weird pitchfork people around, being egged on by the media. ?
If that was true circulation would be increasing, rather than declining, think about it.The media?
Its simply a mirror to who we are, think about it they are producing a product the public want other wise they just wouldn't produce it. .
No one has bought into anything, the impression I'm getting is most don't really think it should rate a mention.My reason re the election of Morrison is you lot are not stupid yet you all bought into the bait, but the real issue is the standards the Liberal party stands for which ATM is up for debate.
You are the only one here that is implying Albo is weak, so where you are coming from with that remark, is beyond me.I am fine about Albanese he has had a long public life and is a pretty steady hand but asking around and I get the reply he appears weak, I know he isn't but that doesn't matter.
As for the Christian thing, there has been a huge focus on Morrisons Christian beliefs in a derogatory way, how the media thinks focusing on that in a Christian country is a winner, is again beyond me.As for the Christian thing have a look at WA Libs, dogs breakfast which is not good for good governance and it wont work federally either IMHO.
If that was true circulation would be increasing, rather than declining, think about it.
No one has bought into anything, the impression I'm getting is most don't really think it should rate a mention.
The only people who seem to buying into it seem to be getting emotional about it, which tends to affect rational thought IMO.
You are the only one here that is implying Albo is weak, so where you are coming from with that remark, is beyond me.
As for the Christian thing, there has been a huge focus on Morrisons Christian beliefs in a derogatory way, how the media thinks focusing on that in a Christian country is a winner, is again beyond me.
With regard the W.A Liberals, they were a one trick pony, Barnett was the Liberal Party in W.A he was the only one with any brains and foresight, when he was gone the Libs were gone nothing to do with Christians IMO.
No one can even remember any W.A Liberal Party politicians, since Barnett has gone.
McGowan and Labor in W.A are of a similar ilk, ask any one in W.A to name a few W.A politicians and see what answers you get.
Trying to make it all something it isn't, might sound really great to the rusted on from either side, mainstream middle of the road look at what the parties are offering and who is selling it.
Simple really.
Maybe because they were badly presented, or pointless, or maybe I'm not the one who needs to put the red wine down but I wouldn't be so rude as to suggest that.Hmm put the red wine cask down... ??
Maybe its my poorly worded reply but you missed all the points.
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