And that gives them the excuse to manipulate the rules, hold the game to randsom and make sure their players get special treatment?
I bet they did. They learned they're still the best cricket team in the world, despite losing 4 of their best players. They also learned that the Indian team are chokers and that some of them can't tell left from right. And they learnt that some of the players and the BCCI are immature sooks. Oh and the indian media contingent are arrogent tnucs.
Perhaps we can get rid of Ponting and all our other world class crickets that are clearly better than any of the billion odd people in india so they have a chance of winning next time? People bagging Ponting has nothing to do with their judgement of his political acumen, just that he's better AND he doesn't cowtow to the BCCI.
It seems you and Bush are of the same school of thought.Hey that's how the world works, money makes the world go around Doc. U should know that, otherwise u be in Somalia with the red cross or something.
It's typical of people that aren't big enough to address their own deficiencies to blame someone else - it's so much easier! In sport, it's always the umpire and frankly, is pretty poor. When there are no dropped catches, no bad balls and no poor shots, then you can have a crack at the umpires. Until then, the time is better spent in the nets.I will take those two umpires over 4 of ur best players anyday.
It seems you and Bush are of the same school of thought.
It's typical of people that aren't big enough to address their own deficiencies to blame someone else - it's so much easier! In sport, it's always the umpire and frankly, is pretty poor. When there are no dropped catches, no bad balls and no poor shots, then you can have a crack at the umpires. Until then, the time is better spent in the nets.
Come on guy's being a bit harsh.
India had to think of some excuse so their houses and their cardboard cut outs were intact when they got home!
Whose bush are we talking about here. Look mate i don't know ur sister or ur mother that well.
Come on guy's being a bit harsh.
India had to think of some excuse so their houses and their cardboard cut outs were intact when they got home!
Watch out Doc... next thing you know he'll be calling you a monkey..
Cheers.
Chimp
Whose bush are we talking about here. Look mate i don't know ur sister or ur mother that well.
No Kauri i will not do such a thing, Doc has already called our players bus drivers, I refuse to stoop to such a level.:
India's conduct was deplorable. That the Australians have been carrying on like pork chops for years was no excuse.
What price justice after this sorry saga?
Email Printer friendly version Normal font Large font Peter Roebuck
January 30, 2008
INDIA'S performance in chartering a plane to take the players back home in the event of an independent judge finding against them in the Harbhajan Singh case counted amongst the most nakedly aggressive actions taken in the history of a notoriously fractious game. If this is the way the Indian board intends to conduct its affairs hereafter, then God help cricket.
It is high time the elders of the game in that proud country stopped playing to the gallery and considered the game's wider interests. India is not some tinpot dictatorship but an international powerhouse, and ought to think and act accordingly. Brinkmanship or not, threatening to take their bat and ball home in the event of a resented verdict being allowed to stand was an abomination. It sets a dreadful precedent. What price justice now?
Not that the attempt made by Cricket Australia to broker a compromise had much more to commend it. Ricky Ponting and his players were entitled to take a stand on principle. As it happens, I thought their strategy unwise because they had fanned the flames, Anil Kumble had not been given a chance to intervene and the case was unwinnable.
But they were entitled to take a stand and demand a hearing - especially after their disgraceful treatment by the crowd and a local umpire in Mumbai not long ago (not to mention in Kolkata in 2004) last October. The Australian players may have let rage get the better of them but they were within their rights to demand a hearing. Cricket Australia had no business pusillanimously trying to talk them out of it. Racism was the issue, or there was no issue.
As was inevitable, Harbhajan's appeal was successful. Simply, there was not enough proof to justify a conviction. It does not matter what anyone thinks may have happened. Court cases are about facts, not opinions, or allegations or interpretations or guesses. Once the microphones and umpires could not back up the charges, the case was doomed. That does not make Harbhajan a hero. It is high time his seniors took him in hand. He has become a hothead with an unpleasant tongue.
Far from seeking revenge, the Australians should have treated him with derision. Throughout this episode, they have been driven not by reason but by a rage that ruined a match and imperilled a series. Harbhajan is not worth half as much. Nor is it wise to ignore Australia's reputation as champion sledgers. Everything has a history.
All around, it has been a bad business. Over the years, India have often been represented by gentlemen with high principles and a strong sense of sportsmanship. Australia have not been so fortunate. But it seems that power has corrupted. It was intolerable that India's one-day players were sent to Adelaide when they ought to have been practising hard in Melbourne.
It was not an implied threat to the justice system. It was a direct challenge to it. India took part in the creation of the legal framework they disregarded. If the Indians had packed their bags, Australia should have refused to appear in India next season. That India took exception to the original findings of the match referee was not surprising.
Realising that he was not properly qualified, Mike Procter implored the ICC to appoint someone else to sit at the hearing, but his plea fell on deaf ears.
Indeed, the ICC has been notably unhelpful in these last few weeks. It is hard to believe that a legally trained professional could have reached the same decision as the former South African all-rounder.
Procter is a cricketing man not versed in the intricacies of evidence and may not understand the difference between a balance of probabilities and reasonable doubt. That does not mean he deserves the venom directed at him by Sunil Gavaskar, also an employee of the ICC.
Accordingly, it was appropriate for India to appeal against the original judgment. For the convenience of all parties, and to allow for a cooling-off period, the appeal hearing was delayed. An independent and experienced judge was asked to preside over it. That the judge was a New Zealander should not have troubled anyone. The idea that a Kiwi might be in league with the Aussies will come as a surprise to both parties. In any case, the time to object to the choice of intermediary had long since passed. Judge Hansen duly applied legal principles and convicted Harbhajan of a lesser charge.
India's conduct was deplorable. That the Australians have been carrying on like pork chops for years was no excuse. India had every right to stand against them, but not to undermine the rule of law. Posturing has cost them the high ground. Indeed, the time has come to take a closer look at the behaviour of the BCCI, not least its liaison with the thieves and thugs running Zimbabwean cricket. A man is known by the company he keeps.
Now the Australians must accept the decision and move on. The allegation could not be substantiated. It's as simple as that. Now both captains must insist that their players conduct themselves appropriately - a responsibility bestowed on them by the laws of the game. Blessed are the peacemakers.
WHAT WAS SAID
The conversation between Australian players and Harbhajan Singh that was picked up by the Channel Nine stump microphone:
Symonds to Harbhajan: "Go and yell at your teammates. You called me a monkey again?"
Hayden: "Twice."
Hayden approaches Harbhajan, saying: "You've got a witness now, champ. That's the last time."
Harbhajan: "No listen, he started it."
Hayden: "It doesn't matter, mate. It's racial vilification. It's a **** word and you know it."
Clarke then approaches umpire Mark Benson, saying: "It's not the first time. He done it in India and got into strife. That's the second time he's done it."
Ponting walks up to Benson and gestures towards umpire Steve Bucknor, saying: "Go and tell him. Go and tell him straight away."
Must be the meds again - the same ones that has you thinking India won 2-1. I haven't said a thing about bus drivers.Doc has already called our players bus drivers, I refuse to stoop to such a level.:
Damn straight, and with comments like this, you're pushing it.this is a moderated forum.
Good one Mexican. Go make some nachos.
Doesn't make them any better cricketersCardboard cur outs?? Hey India's drinks boy probably makes more than Aussie players.
Cardboard cur outs?? Hey India's drinks boy probably makes more than Aussie players. And Mexican stop ramping, u need back up ur comments with some statistics and research. Try finding out how much Sachin makes and how much Australian players make. So PLEASE STOP ramping without some cold hard facts, this is a moderated forum.
Must be the meds again - the same ones that has you thinking India won 2-1. I haven't said a thing about bus drivers.
Doesn't make them any better cricketers
1. good point - and vice versa I guess - insult depends on which ear is being beheld.1. Except being called a Bast@rd, is much worse then being called a monkey, if u take the cultural differences into account.
2. I been playing cricket now for 12 years and trust me i have heard much worse than that, and i am sure whatever was said is pretty lame compared to what's been said in the past.
No Kauri i will not do such a thing, Doc has already called our players bus drivers, I refuse to stoop to such a level.:
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