Australia vs. India - Why India WILL WIN

[Maliq]

Re: Australia vs India - Why India WILL WIN

And that gives them the excuse to manipulate the rules, hold the game to randsom and make sure their players get special treatment?

Hey that's how the world works, money makes the world go around Doc. U should know that, otherwise u be in Somalia with the red cross or something.

I bet they did. They learned they're still the best cricket team in the world, despite losing 4 of their best players. They also learned that the Indian team are chokers and that some of them can't tell left from right. And they learnt that some of the players and the BCCI are immature sooks. Oh and the indian media contingent are arrogent tnucs.

Yeah i will give that they are the best team. Just cause India came over here and almost won the series doesn't make them better. But don't get ahead of urself doctor, u lost 4 of ur best players, but u also promoted two umpires into ur ranks buddy. I will take those two umpires over 4 of ur best players anyday. Common i know u wanna reach deep down and pull out India wins series 2-1 too.

Perhaps we can get rid of Ponting and all our other world class crickets that are clearly better than any of the billion odd people in india so they have a chance of winning next time? People bagging Ponting has nothing to do with their judgement of his political acumen, just that he's better AND he doesn't cowtow to the BCCI.

Put on ur glasses and pull ur Stethoscope out ur tnuc and get ur facts straight. I never asked to replace Ponting, the guy just won 16 straight tests. Great batsman, and lets just leave it at that. Yeah give me ur number Doc, i will get those special pills soon.

Flying Fish ur a champ buddy

 

[doctorj]

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Hey that's how the world works, money makes the world go around Doc. U should know that, otherwise u be in Somalia with the red cross or something.

It seems you and Bush are of the same school of thought.

I will take those two umpires over 4 of ur best players anyday.

It's typical of people that aren't big enough to address their own deficiencies to blame someone else - it's so much easier! In sport, it's always the umpire and frankly, is pretty poor. When there are no dropped catches, no bad balls and no poor shots, then you can have a crack at the umpires. Until then, the time is better spent in the nets.

 

[Maliq]

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It seems you and Bush are of the same school of thought.

Whose bush are we talking about here. Look mate i don't know ur sister or ur mother that well.

It's typical of people that aren't big enough to address their own deficiencies to blame someone else - it's so much easier! In sport, it's always the umpire and frankly, is pretty poor. When there are no dropped catches, no bad balls and no poor shots, then you can have a crack at the umpires. Until then, the time is better spent in the nets.

own deficiencies?? u calling me a retard doc??
Thats what them special pills are for doc. So can u arrange something or not??

 

[mexican]

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Come on guy's being a bit harsh.
India had to think of some excuse so their houses and their cardboard cut outs were intact when they got home!

 

[Maliq]

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Come on guy's being a bit harsh.
India had to think of some excuse so their houses and their cardboard cut outs were intact when they got home!

Yeah thats why they were burning effergies of Buknor and Ponting, and not of the Indian Players. Good one Mexican. Go make some nachos.

 

[Kauri]

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Whose bush are we talking about here. Look mate i don't know ur sister or ur mother that well.

Watch out Doc... next thing you know he'll be calling you a monkey..
Cheers.
Chimp

 

[Maliq]

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Come on guy's being a bit harsh.
India had to think of some excuse so their houses and their cardboard cut outs were intact when they got home!

Cardboard cur outs?? Hey India's drinks boy probably makes more than Aussie players. And Mexican stop ramping, u need back up ur comments with some statistics and research. Try finding out how much Sachin makes and how much Australian players make. So PLEASE STOP ramping without some cold hard facts, this is a moderated forum.

 

[Maliq]

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Watch out Doc... next thing you know he'll be calling you a monkey..
Cheers.
Chimp

No Kauri i will not do such a thing, Doc has already called our players bus drivers, I refuse to stoop to such a level. :

 

[Kauri]

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Whose bush are we talking about here. Look mate i don't know ur sister or ur mother that well.

No Kauri i will not do such a thing, Doc has already called our players bus drivers, I refuse to stoop to such a level. :

Glad to hear it.. :bonk:

xxxx
xxxxxxxxKauri

 

[2020hindsight]

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Well I agree with buddy to the extent that Roebuck's article was excellent.
Once the Indians had their second court hearing / appeal or whatever, they should have agreed to "live with the judges decision" . Talk of flying home became excessive.

Who knows, with all the mixed messages etc etc - perhaps they'll deny they actually would have gone home.

Hey- in the end it's worked out well - everyone knows the rules clearly - no racial stuff will be tolerated - the games continue - even the fact that umpiring will probably be scrutinised much better in future - arguably the wisdom of Solomon

India's conduct was deplorable. That the Australians have been carrying on like pork chops for years was no excuse.

PS I still feel that the umpiring was atrocious in the second test - and OBVIOUSLY that will flavour how people talk to each other.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/cricket/...this-sorry-saga/2008/01/29/1201369135071.html

What price justice after this sorry saga?
Email Printer friendly version Normal font Large font Peter Roebuck
January 30, 2008

INDIA'S performance in chartering a plane to take the players back home in the event of an independent judge finding against them in the Harbhajan Singh case counted amongst the most nakedly aggressive actions taken in the history of a notoriously fractious game. If this is the way the Indian board intends to conduct its affairs hereafter, then God help cricket.

It is high time the elders of the game in that proud country stopped playing to the gallery and considered the game's wider interests. India is not some tinpot dictatorship but an international powerhouse, and ought to think and act accordingly. Brinkmanship or not, threatening to take their bat and ball home in the event of a resented verdict being allowed to stand was an abomination. It sets a dreadful precedent. What price justice now?

Not that the attempt made by Cricket Australia to broker a compromise had much more to commend it. Ricky Ponting and his players were entitled to take a stand on principle. As it happens, I thought their strategy unwise because they had fanned the flames, Anil Kumble had not been given a chance to intervene and the case was unwinnable.

But they were entitled to take a stand and demand a hearing - especially after their disgraceful treatment by the crowd and a local umpire in Mumbai not long ago (not to mention in Kolkata in 2004) last October. The Australian players may have let rage get the better of them but they were within their rights to demand a hearing. Cricket Australia had no business pusillanimously trying to talk them out of it. Racism was the issue, or there was no issue.

As was inevitable, Harbhajan's appeal was successful. Simply, there was not enough proof to justify a conviction. It does not matter what anyone thinks may have happened. Court cases are about facts, not opinions, or allegations or interpretations or guesses. Once the microphones and umpires could not back up the charges, the case was doomed. That does not make Harbhajan a hero. It is high time his seniors took him in hand. He has become a hothead with an unpleasant tongue.

Far from seeking revenge, the Australians should have treated him with derision. Throughout this episode, they have been driven not by reason but by a rage that ruined a match and imperilled a series. Harbhajan is not worth half as much. Nor is it wise to ignore Australia's reputation as champion sledgers. Everything has a history.

All around, it has been a bad business. Over the years, India have often been represented by gentlemen with high principles and a strong sense of sportsmanship. Australia have not been so fortunate. But it seems that power has corrupted. It was intolerable that India's one-day players were sent to Adelaide when they ought to have been practising hard in Melbourne.

It was not an implied threat to the justice system. It was a direct challenge to it. India took part in the creation of the legal framework they disregarded. If the Indians had packed their bags, Australia should have refused to appear in India next season. That India took exception to the original findings of the match referee was not surprising.

Realising that he was not properly qualified, Mike Procter implored the ICC to appoint someone else to sit at the hearing, but his plea fell on deaf ears.

Indeed, the ICC has been notably unhelpful in these last few weeks. It is hard to believe that a legally trained professional could have reached the same decision as the former South African all-rounder.

Procter is a cricketing man not versed in the intricacies of evidence and may not understand the difference between a balance of probabilities and reasonable doubt. That does not mean he deserves the venom directed at him by Sunil Gavaskar, also an employee of the ICC.

Accordingly, it was appropriate for India to appeal against the original judgment. For the convenience of all parties, and to allow for a cooling-off period, the appeal hearing was delayed. An independent and experienced judge was asked to preside over it. That the judge was a New Zealander should not have troubled anyone. The idea that a Kiwi might be in league with the Aussies will come as a surprise to both parties. In any case, the time to object to the choice of intermediary had long since passed. Judge Hansen duly applied legal principles and convicted Harbhajan of a lesser charge.

India's conduct was deplorable. That the Australians have been carrying on like pork chops for years was no excuse. India had every right to stand against them, but not to undermine the rule of law. Posturing has cost them the high ground. Indeed, the time has come to take a closer look at the behaviour of the BCCI, not least its liaison with the thieves and thugs running Zimbabwean cricket. A man is known by the company he keeps.

Now the Australians must accept the decision and move on. The allegation could not be substantiated. It's as simple as that. Now both captains must insist that their players conduct themselves appropriately - a responsibility bestowed on them by the laws of the game. Blessed are the peacemakers.

WHAT WAS SAID

The conversation between Australian players and Harbhajan Singh that was picked up by the Channel Nine stump microphone:
Symonds to Harbhajan: "Go and yell at your teammates. You called me a monkey again?"

Hayden: "Twice."

Hayden approaches Harbhajan, saying: "You've got a witness now, champ. That's the last time."

Harbhajan: "No listen, he started it."

Hayden: "It doesn't matter, mate. It's racial vilification. It's a **** word and you know it."

Clarke then approaches umpire Mark Benson, saying: "It's not the first time. He done it in India and got into strife. That's the second time he's done it."

Ponting walks up to Benson and gestures towards umpire Steve Bucknor, saying: "Go and tell him. Go and tell him straight away."

 

[doctorj]

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Doc has already called our players bus drivers, I refuse to stoop to such a level. :

Must be the meds again - the same ones that has you thinking India won 2-1. I haven't said a thing about bus drivers.

this is a moderated forum.

Damn straight, and with comments like this, you're pushing it.

Good one Mexican. Go make some nachos.

Cardboard cur outs?? Hey India's drinks boy probably makes more than Aussie players.

Doesn't make them any better cricketers

 

[mexican]

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Cardboard cur outs?? Hey India's drinks boy probably makes more than Aussie players. And Mexican stop ramping, u need back up ur comments with some statistics and research. Try finding out how much Sachin makes and how much Australian players make. So PLEASE STOP ramping without some cold hard facts, this is a moderated forum.

WHAT???????????????????? You missed the joke pal!
I will give you a cold hard fact:
Australia 2 India 1

 

[2020hindsight]

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Lions 6 , Christians nil

but who had the clear conscience?

"Best and Fairest Award goes to the Lion who looked at the scrawney offerings, - then lept over the fence, and ate Nero (who was filling in for third umpire) "

 

[Maliq]

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Must be the meds again - the same ones that has you thinking India won 2-1. I haven't said a thing about bus drivers.

Sorry Doc, my fault misquoted u there. [/QUOTE]

Damn straight, and with comments like this, you're pushing it.

Common now that was joke, Mexican's make good tortilla's too.

Doesn't make them any better cricketers

Hey that was in response to the cardboard cutouts comment. Ur the only talking about who the better criceters are.

Mate we again back where we started, India gave Aussie's a good contest on their own soil. And if it wasn't for some dodgy umpiring, the outcome would have been different.

So can u tell me from deep down in ur heart that Australia was the better team in this series, without a shadow of a doubt while taking into consideration the dodgy umpiring?


Totally agree with u 2020 hindsight. Except being called a Bast@rd, is much worse then being called a monkey, if u take the cultural differences into account. I been playing cricket now for 12 years and trust me i have heard much worse than that, and i am sure whatever was said is pretty lame compared to what's been said in the past.

Cricket's a man's game, and Ponting shouldn't have gone bit#hing like a little HoE to the umpires. Ponting got himself in this mess, if u gonna ban bhajji, ban hoggy too.

 

[mexican]

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It would have been a good series to watch with the likes of Sachin and Hayden but all this saga really did take the shine away from it.
There has been many bad umpiring decisions that might of had a different outcome on a series or match, in India, South Africa and so on but you take it on the chin and get on with it . You take the good with the bad. Anyone who has played cricket knows that.
Australia's response to the monkey saga is laughable, the top sledges in the game complaining about that!
Both India and Australia should take something from this and thats stop being a bunch of cry babies and marshmellows and HARDEN THE ^&*( UP!
Lets just get on with the game both teams have a good enough side to make a hard fought contest without all this crap.

 

[2020hindsight]

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1. Except being called a Bast@rd, is much worse then being called a monkey, if u take the cultural differences into account.

2. I been playing cricket now for 12 years and trust me i have heard much worse than that, and i am sure whatever was said is pretty lame compared to what's been said in the past.

1. good point - and vice versa I guess - insult depends on which ear is being beheld.

2. I remember the days when the comments from the hill were educational - for a sailor.

a mild one from memory ( gotta be done at 200 dB this ) :-" you can't bat you can't bowl you can't field - whattya do , f*** the selector's daughter !!??"

 

[Pommiegranite]

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My relatives in Punjab, India are laughing at the whole affair as they are convinced as to what Harb said.

In Punjabi, possibly the most common curse phrase is "Teri Mahn Dhee ......"
It means "Your mother's ...." Generally Punjabi's fill in the rest with a bodypart or can leave it just as "Mahn Dhee"

I agree and believe that this is more likely as to what was said. My father to this day ususes these words habitually even when cursing things such as a dropped hammer.

If none of you believe me, ask the next turbaned person you see, but make sure you're also wearing a crash helmet.:

 

[Aussiejeff]

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According to an ABC radio sports report this morning, the judge in the case was also NOT HAPPY with Simmo's attitude at all. In fact, he says that Simmo probably started the whole episode by needlessly calling into question a harmless remark Singh made to Brett Lee - apparently Singh remarked something along the lines of "Good ball" and patted Lee on the backside after Lee had bowled a great delivery to him.

This evidence seems to show that Simmo was looking for a verbal stoush.... and needs to pull his head in as well for the rest of his cricketing career. Having let Pandora out of her Box big-time, the Aussies (and all international cricketers for that matter) will be under INTENSE media scrutiny for a long, long time. Every word will be analysed by headline hunters looking for a *sniff* of scandal.

The G-G is right to say he is saddened by the loss of decency in Australian cricketer's attitudes. In the past I have played cricket at "A" grade club level and coached juniors for some years. I used to regard the on-field behaviour of cricketers at all levels in the same light as golfers - ie light years ahead of the behaviour of footballers. Sadly, now even our international cricketers seem to be descending towards the footballer's attitude level, leaving the relatively benign sportmanship shown by most international golfers in a class of their own.

Sigh...



AJ

 

[Buddy]

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I think this is the last I am going to say on this matter. And I did pick it (earlier post) in the 3rd test when Australia was 14 for 3. Why can't I pick my shares as well as that, eh?

Aussiejeff sums it up pretty well in my opinion. Whilst some improvement in behaviour, both on and off the field is seen necessary, let's remember that cricket is not really a "gentlemens game", it is a game played by strict rules. And players have always pushed the boundaries of the rules. Here is an interesting summary of that.... http://www.theage.com.au/news/opinion/cricket-is-no-gentlemens-game/2008/01/15/1200159445892.html. And if you want to analyse what has been going on, there have not been any breaches of "bat and ball rules", moreso the "mouth rules" - least thats the way I see it. Lesson for us all there - be careful about what comes out of your mouth. But nothing wrong with a bit of sledging as long as it is given with good humour and taken with good humour.

And an :topic comment. Isnt it amazing how many golfers cannot count? And if I may be permitted a bit of mild sledging - there seems to be a few Indian commentators that cant count. 2 to 1 in Autralia's favour if I remember correctly.

Anyway, if you think some of the comments on this forum have been a bit heated have a look at this.... http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com.au/peterlalor/index.php/theaustralian/comments/obscene_attempt_to_twist_the_truth. And these guys have a :nuke: and we dont. Hey fellas, it's just a game! Get over it! If I get abusive replies to this post, dont expect me to take the bait. I'm over it!

 

[Miner]

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No Kauri i will not do such a thing, Doc has already called our players bus drivers, I refuse to stoop to such a level. :

Do not worry
Doctor J is a moderator too so he would get away with his comments.
At least the bus drivers have not arrived by ship with shackles !!!!.