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Asylum-seekers 'dead, missing' in explosion on way to Christmas Island

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Some points have been raised about the facilitation of illegal immigration.

The illegals fly to Indonesia and then take a boat across the water to the land of the leftie idealists who believe it is their charge to save the world. Not to say uncaring is the way, quite the contrary. What about the airlines? Without the illegal immigration racket going on how many afghani's would be visiting Indonesia? Seriously. Not many at all.

Australians are being taken for a big ride.
 

I agree, very well put indeed.
 
Did you know Afghan's enjoy the torture of animals for entertainment legally , what sort of humans or society do this ? = Sicko's .

Want proof bleeding hearts ?
 
Our welcoming committee (aka Border Protection Command) is preparing to intercept another boatload of illegals and escort them to their destination.

Prior to the explosion our people were doing everything to make the previous arrivals feel at home;

 
Bobby said:
Did you know Afghan's enjoy the torture of animals for entertainment legally , what sort of humans or society do this ? = Sicko's .

Want proof bleeding hearts ?
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Please don't post any pictures of animal torture. Or descriptions of it.
 

Helilaet, O how the bleating harts will hate you, you must never tell the truth when talking about this.
Your post has to be one of the best I have read, well done.
 
moXJO - I propose that for every person arriving here by boat, we throw one lawyer into the ocean. This solves 2 problems! Seriously though I don't know enough about the entire situation to make any suggestions.

Buster - you make some very good points. I'm not saying you have to back up every single statement, it'd just be nice to see *some* verifiable facts in this thread, and come on, you were making a pretty big statement

We don't blindly accept that all are genuine asylum seekers. Don't we still have a mandatory detention policy?

kitehigh - That's interesting. In what capacity have you been involved?

So_Cynical - It's spelt 'queue' and the concept has been discussed many times in this thread already. Please try to keep up.

helicart - I'm a macchiato man. 'Marxist' - lol. I didn't say everyone deserves the lifestyle we have here, it'd just be nice to, you know, not be beaten for cheering too loud at the soccer, or wear jeans if you felt like it. Nice characterisation of Afghani migrants as wealthy criminals BTW. Not sure where you're getting that from, but please, feel free to continue spreading fear and hatred towards these people. Or maybe you could put down your XXXX and go visit the 3rd world for yourself?

Bobby - I look forward to more of *your* excellent posts! And, I also hear that Afghans eat babies! OMG!!1one
 

UG,

what's your 3rd world experience?

I told you where I am getting my info from. On what grounds do you base your strong opinion on the matter?

Am I spreading fear and hatred? I am not afraid and I don't hate Afghanis per se. Your view is typical of the leisure class whose reality is a hip and manicured or bitumened urbania....a view that doesn't have the subtlety or experience to discriminate between what is a genuine refugee crisis and economic opportunism. It is a view that divides people into either :

- likeminded pollyanna feel good middle class soft bellied lounge lizards who are heavily burdened with guilt, inferiority, and existential angst for not having passed through adequate rites of passage into manhood.

- rednecks.

I suggest you spend less time proving your manhood by shouting the loudest at the soccer and do something for Australia that requires true balls, and join the defence forces or army reserve. You mightn't go through life as afraid and apologetic then.
 
It was confirmed on ABC Radio News this evening that the asylum seekers did spread petrol over their vessel .
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/04/19/2546806.htm

Extract from the above article:

 
Underpants Gnome said:
moXJO - I propose that for every person arriving here by boat, we throw one lawyer into the ocean. This solves 2 problems! Seriously though I don't know enough about the entire situation to make any suggestions.
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Great Idea, now we are talking..

Underpants Gnome said:
We don't blindly accept that all are genuine asylum seekers. Don't we still have a mandatory detention policy?
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Yes we do, but its not cheap to maintain and for every illegal that jumps the queue it cost more tax payer money.

Underpants Gnome said:
kitehigh - That's interesting. In what capacity have you been involved?
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Interdiction.

Some good comments by Helicart, he/she obviously knows a lot also on this subject.
 
Hey Heli,

Bugger all, to be honest. I've spent some time in central China and Indonesia (mostly Java) where 'some time' is measured in weeks. But I don't think that directly influences my opinion, and I reject the idea that having a personal involvement somehow makes you more 'right' - if anything it makes you more biased and unable to see the situation objectively.

You have a fantastic way with words (I'm not being sarcastic here), it's a pity you use that ability to sling insults based on tired old stereotypes. And that seems to be your entire argument.

But anyway, being as wise and worldy as you claim to be, would you care to explain to me why people with access to such enormous wealth* would go through an ordeal like this, instead of flying comfortably in on a 747?

* I think you may have messed up your calculations when you said 15-20kg of gold; according to http://rudhar.com/e-gold/en/watevalu.stm that would be very difficult to carry
 
thought I would drop back in with my two bobs worth again. UG - experience in life can not be replaced. I once lived in a coastal town in South of WA and in 1998 -99 some 100+ Afgan refugees were settled there and intergrated into the local community. At one stage some of them looked like being deported from Australia as their birthplace was questionable wether it was Afghanistan or Pakistan. Pakistan birth would not qualify as a refugee. There was some rallying in the community etc with church groups and people that had a devotion to keeping them in the community. My young bloke even went to school and played sport with the kids and hung out with them. Long story cut short. They gained their right and status to stay as citizens. Within a week most have moved on to the Eastern States.

They had the community support and employment but as soon as it was official they packed up and moved on.

cavaet emptor
 
Underpants Gnome said:
would you care to explain to me why people with access to such enormous wealth* would go through an ordeal like this, instead of flying comfortably in on a 747?
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This actually is a point I've wondered about. Why don't the asylum seekers simply buy an air ticket to Australia ? It wouldn't cost as much as the price they've been paying the smugglers.
Presumably it's because entry via airports is pretty closely scrutinised and they would be smartly turned around without (presumably) passports and visas?
 
'evening robandcoll,

If anything, I think that kind of supports what I'm saying. Because of that experience your judgement might be clouded and maybe you're tarring all refugees with the same brush (whether you realise it or not). It's also possible they had plans to move on from the beginning but there would have been no point if there was a chance of being deported soon.

And that's what I took issue with in the first place - people making instant judgement calls based on their own prejudices before any of the facts were even made clear.

All this in a country that supposedly supports the principles of innocent until proven guilty, and a 'fair go' for all.

Julia - they'd probably have trouble with the metal detectors carrying all that gold!
 

This is my point, they are NOT ACCEPTABLE, I am retired and to see my tax's been spent on people thats wounds are self inflicted make my blood boil.
 

Because they have to organize a visa prior to arrival and they wouldn't be allowed to board the plane to Australia without one. Australia has some of the toughest restrictions when it comes to issuing visa's especially if you are applying from a high risk country. (eg Afghanistan,Pakistan and any other 3rd world country)
 

I said 10-15kg UG. and the guys were wearing it in tailored cloth belts around their waists.......their heavy burden was such that it had worn away the skin around their iliac crests, anterior and posterior superior iliac spines, and they had developed ulcerated tropical infections on same.


Anyway, I have a book to get back to writing......and need to prepare for NYSE opening.
 

sounds like a good piracy opportunity going begging.
 


sorry, I did say 15-20kg above. Some of the guys also wore figure of 8 shoulder harnesses.
 
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