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A True Leader would....???

IMO, this is a classic situation where a true leader (can really) shine(s) and earns their bread+butter.

Being able to say, "Sorry, l made a mistake doing it my way, lets fix it even it means stepping back to the old way". Gillard is too arrogant to do this. She is not a leader. I will never vote for her.
 
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It's getting a bit fiesty in the old school yard.

We are now down to a 12-month susnet clause on the Malaysian deal proposed by, of all people, Andrew Wilkie.

My guess is that it will get up, but will be doomed in the Senate.

This is now a fight to the political death between Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott. My bet is on Tony Abbott if he can hold his troops together.

http://www.nationaltimes.com.au/opi...olitics-live-june-27-2012-20120627-2118r.html
 
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Wilkie's sunset clause is up in the Reps and the Greens have panicked, voting for it even though they are going to vote against Oakshott's bill.
 
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Well one thing this debate will do, it will show the left biased media that maybe Abbott isn't as thick as they try to make out. Also how shallow labor is when it is all about saving face rather than saving lives.IMO
 
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moXJO said:
An increase in refugee numbers huh, flys in the face of what labor posters have been saying here
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Exactly this could throw a huge wedge in the minority government, could blow it to pieces. Abbott is putting forward humane policy while labor and Oakeshott can't get over Malaysia and their own egos.
 
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sptrawler said:
Well one thing this debate will do, it will show the left biased media that maybe Abbott isn't as thick as they try to make out. Also how shallow labor is when it is all about saving face rather than saving lives.IMO
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The Greens seem to be that first to have fallen off the cart.

They don't support the Malaysian solution yet support a sunset clause on it. Only a faint hope, but I wonder if Labor will now turn on them. I wouldn't put it past Julia Gillard.
 
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drsmith said:
The Greens seem to be that first to have fallen off the cart.

They don't support the Malaysian solution yet support a sunset clause on it. Only a faint hope, but I wonder if Labor will now turn on them. I wouldn't put it past Julia Gillard.
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Obviously the greens are going to be standing in line, with toes missing and black feet alongside labor.

If that has happened Abbott will be all over them tommorrow. The reporters won't know what to say, they can't bash Abbott. LOL
 
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sptrawler said:
Obviously the greens are going to be standing in line, with toes missing and black feet alongside labor.

If that has happened Abbott will be all over them tommorrow. The reporters won't know what to say, they can't bash Abbott. LOL
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It's happened.

7.41pm: The Wilkie amendment has passed.

Now, the main event.

7.40pm: The Greens are voting for the Wilkie amendment, even though they oppose the Oakeshott bill.

7.30pm: Here's the vote on the Wilkie amendment.
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http://www.nationaltimes.com.au/opi...olitics-live-june-27-2012-20120627-2118r.html

7:56pm: The amended Oakeshott bill has passed through the Lower House. It will go to the Senate tomorrow.

The Greens' Adam Bandt is voting with the Opposition, as promised. Katter w Govt, also Wilkie, Windsor, Oakeshot (it's his bill after all)
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-06-...ess-off-christmas-island/4095566?WT.svl=news0

Bob Brown will be choking on his dinner.
 
I watched Bob Katter speak and to me he looked like an blubbering idiot (it reminded me a lot of Joh)

I still can't make out what he was talking about or whether he was for or against?

Is it just me or what?
 
The Coalition troops all managed to stay on one side although it was a close thing with Julie Bishop intervening to discourage Mal Washer from crossing the floor.

dutchie said:
I watched Bob Katter speak and to me he looked like an blubbering idiot (it reminded me a lot of Joh)

I still can't make out what he was talking about or whether he was for or against?

Is it just me or what?
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He voted for it.
 
Ya needta watch a lotsa John Wayne movies pilgrim ,to understand what he is saying.
 
dutchie said:
I watched Bob Katter speak and to me he looked like an blubbering idiot (it reminded me a lot of Joh)

I still can't make out what he was talking about or whether he was for or against?

Is it just me or what?
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Thankfully he aligned himself with the goon show, probably felt at home, last thing you need is a loose cannon.
This debate has only just begun, even if it gets up again it will be challenged again in the high court, it is all a bloody joke.
One wonders what the motivation is, the boat people or the minority government trying to hang on to credibility? Maybe trying to hold off another failure untill the election, best of luck with that, everyones patience must be streched at the moment.
 
sptrawler said:
Jeez the Goon Show rolls on, what a bunch of dick witts.
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At the end of the day, we've had the Greens contradict themselves on the Malaysian solution and a sunset clause that in itself creates a very obvious problem.

Politically, I suspect Tony Abbott won't be too unhappy with today's outcomes.
 

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At the end of the day, we've had the Greens contradict themselves on the Malaysian solution and a sunset clause that in itself creates a very obvious problem.

Politically, I suspect Tony Abbott won't be too unhappy with today's outcomes.
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I don't think it will be a problem, Gillard and Wilkie trying to save their skins for 12 months on a sunset clause. If the greens sell their souls to go along with it, it will unravel like a badly wrapped nappy. Malaysia will take them to the cleaners, oops maybe I should say take us to the cleaners.
 
Could someone please provide a quick overview of what Wilkie's sunset clause and the Oakshott bill are.
 
Calliope said:
We can shuck off our guilt feelings about this boat sinking. It was all a stunt.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...otaged-indonesia/story-fn3dxix6-1226410340392
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Yes, it was similarly reported on ABC Radio news. The same people smugglers who organised the capsized boat of a few days ago did likewise with this one.
What alerted anyone was the distress call made from the boat some hours before an aircraft was able to fly over and observe all the passengers sitting calmly on board, clad in their lifejackets, and the boat not at all in any trouble.

So it seems the plan is to put people on a boat, having taken their money, give them all the necessary instructions about how to contact emergency help, give that help sufficient time to arrive and save them, and then scuttle the boat.

Fantastic.

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Surprise,surprise!
http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/no-greens-we-cant-wait-for-world-peace-to-stop-the-boats/
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This was exactly echoed in the 7.30 interview with Christine Milne. She rigorously defended her nutty position, despite Leigh Sales repeatedly pointing out that what the Greens want is simply never going to be accepted by either or both of the major parties. Quite a heated exchange.

drsmith said:
The Greens seem to be that first to have fallen off the cart.

They don't support the Malaysian solution yet support a sunset clause on it. Only a faint hope, but I wonder if Labor will now turn on them. I wouldn't put it past Julia Gillard.
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It's about the only way Ms Gillard can salvage any vestige of credibility.
 
bellenuit said:
Could someone please provide a quick overview of what Wilkie's sunset clause and the Oakshott bill are.
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Re Andrew Wilkie's sunset clause: I'm not quite sure, but I think it means the legislation - if it passes - will have to be reconsidered in 12 months time.
Probably moot, as it's unlikely to get through the Senate. The Greens are doing as they did with the original ETS legislation and saying "nothing is better than any amendment to what we want". Entirely in character with their unrealistic stance in everything.

The government and the opposition could vote together in the Senate which would have the welcome effect of making the Greens irrelevant. Hard to imagine this happening, at least at this stage.
 
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