Astrostuff ... Gann from a different angle ...

yogi-in-oz · 16 June 2007

yogi-in-oz said:
..... yeah, yeah, yeah, rubme more, we've heard it all
before ..... lol ...

..... but let's look at those results, TODAY ... and DIO
was the stock to be on, today ... and ooooops,
NONE of the skeptix here tipped it ... !~!

... but yes, you heard it HERE first, from REAL traders,
who know Gann's astrostuff ... !~! (see post above)

Yes, that portfolio was up ANOTHER $11,000 today
and is now, some $15,000 ahead of the pack .....
and after only 2 days of trading, too ... !~!

http://www.sharecafe.com.au/challenge.asp?a=CSB

This stuff must be REALLY EMBARASSING for the skeptix,
when they criticize the efforts of others, yet THEY CANNOT
post better results, themselves ... !~!

Moral of the story is ..... if you don't have any kind words
to say about other traders, then be sure you can beat
their trading results, otherwise it may very well come
back and bite you ... HARD !~! ... lol

byeee

paul

P.S. ... but, a $25,000 profit in 2 days will not impress, everybody ... lol

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... and at the end of the second week in that contest,
it seems that we are STILL AHEAD of the pack ... !~!

http://www.sharecafe.com.au/challenge.asp?a=CSB

Was holding ..... RTL - DML - ADU - CKL .....

So, where's all those gun-traders ... yes, you know
the ones ... those skeptix that post, but will not
dare make a forecast for FEAR of being wrong, nor
post any evidence, that their own trading methods
can actually stand up in any fair competition !~!

You can enter that contest at ANY time, during the
month, so there's no excuse for those gun-traders
not to show us how it's done, properly !~! ... lol ...

have a great weekend

paul

P.S. ... got the wooden spoon in the incrediblecharts
challenge, again this week ... !~! ...

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wavepicker · 16 June 2007

yogi-in-oz said:
... and at the end of the second week in that contest,
it seems that we are STILL AHEAD of the pack ... !~!

http://www.sharecafe.com.au/challenge.asp?a=CSB

Was holding ..... RTL - DML - ADU - CKL .....

So, where's all those gun-traders ... yes, you know
the ones ... those skeptix that post, but will not
dare make a forecast for FEAR of being wrong, nor
post any evidence, that their own trading methods
can actually stand up in any fair competition !~!

You can enter that contest at ANY time, during the
month, so there's no excuse for those gun-traders
not to show us how it's done, properly !~! ... lol ...

have a great weekend

paul

P.S. ... got the wooden spoon in the incrediblecharts
challenge, again this week ... !~! ...

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Congratulations
some get their kicks out of winning the odd contests, others are just happy taking money out of a the market and are happy beating it and their emotions.

What counts in the end is how much $$ lines your pockets....

Next time put your $$ where your mouth is and I for one others would gladly take up your offer

yogi-in-oz · 16 June 2007

..... puhleeze do .... we have been through this before with you
and you have not stopped whining since then, claiming that
you were a gun forex trader and not a share trader ...

..... just line up publicly and enter the share contests as they stand
and take the trades, as you wish ... if you are as good as you
say are, it will be evident in the results ...

So, looking forward to seeing those guru-boys entering the ANY
of the trading contests REGULARLY ... but, it just won't happen,
because they live in FEAR of being exposed as lesser traders,
than they claim to be ... !~!

Will you be the first to answer the challenge ... ???

happy days

paul

P.S. ..... our money is on the line EVERY DAY, backing up our
analysis for right or wrong ... !~! Entering the contests
is simply a convenient way of demonstrating such
analysis, in a public forum.

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wavepicker · 16 June 2007

yogi-in-oz said:
..... puhleeze do .... we have been through this before with you
and you have not stopped whining since then, claiming that
you were a gun forex trader and not a share trader ...

..... just line up publicly and enter the share contests as they stand
and take the trades, as you wish ... if you are as good as you
say are, it will be evident in the results ...

So, looking forward to seeing those guru-boys entering the ANY
of the trading contests REGULARLY ... but, it just won't happen,
because they live in FEAR of being exposed as lesser traders,
than they claim to be ... !~!

Will you be the first to answer the challenge ... ???

happy days

paul

P.S. ..... our money is on the line EVERY DAY, backing up our
analysis for right or wrong ... !~! Entering the contests
is simply a convenient way of demonstrating such
analysis, in a public forum.

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Yogi, you make me laugh, all you do is navigate from one forum to another, enter as many contests as you can, and then when you win one, the whole world has to know how brilliant you and Gann analysis is. Like in gambling if you roll the dice enough times, now and again your number is bound to come up.

Like most Gann analysts, all you ever do is come up with a stack of vague dates, and most of the time NOTHING usually happens. You may as well call out every day of the year. You guys are all full of wind IMO

Will gladly follow up the challenge Yogi, BUT I pick the contest and will let you know when. PS, it won't be just a share contest. It will be a challenge as to who can have the best % return in a 2 month period trading any instrument of your choice, ie Shares, CFD's, Options, futures, FX.

How does that sound Yogi?? Or is 2 months not long enough a period for the planets to align in your favour?

tech/a · 16 June 2007

Hell Waves----wont be long and yogi will have you elevated to GURU status.

Same old same old from yogi.

The guy who hasnt got an ego but a thread totally devoted to chest beating.
Now for the inevitable attacks.

Go for it.

Kauri · 16 June 2007

tech/a said:
Hell Waves----wont be long and yogi will have you elevated to GURU status.

Same old same old from yogi.

The guy who hasnt got an ego but a thread totally devoted to chest beating.
Now for the inevitable attacks.

Go for it.

Not quite on the subject but is Yogi the bloke who along with his mate used to/still does run the Perth Traders club?? ... If it is, I think I met you once, at the TradeWinds from memory.
Cheers
Kauri

yogi-in-oz · 16 June 2007

wavepicker said:
Yogi, you make me laugh, all you do is navigate from one forum to another, enter as many contests as you can, and then when you win one, the whole world has to know how brilliant you and Gann analysis is. Like in gambling if you roll the dice enough times, now and again your number is bound to come up.

Like most Gann analysts, all you ever do is come up with a stack of vague dates, and most of the time NOTHING usually happens. You may as well call out every day of the year. You guys are all full of wind IMO

Will gladly follow up the challenge Yogi, BUT I pick the contest and will let you know when. PS, it won't be just a share contest. It will be a challenge as to who can have the best % return in a 2 month period trading any instrument of your choice, ie Shares, CFD's, Options, futures, FX.

How does that sound Yogi?? Or is 2 months not long enough a period for the planets to align in your favour?

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There you go ... you have chickened out of the challenge already ... !~!

That challenge is about SHARE TRADING, period ..... !~!

..... as this is a shares forum, let's make it ANY fully paid ASX shares,
over a 2 month period, that's fine here ...

happy days

paul

wavepicker · 16 June 2007

yogi-in-oz said:
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There you go ... you have chickened out of the challenge already ... !~!

That challenge is about SHARE TRADING, period ..... !~!

..... as this is a shares forum, let's make it ANY fully paid ASX shares,
over a 2 month period, that's fine here ...

happy days

paul

Hell Yogi, you can trade whatever you like. I accept your challenge but I want to be be able to trade derivatives over shares or any other instrumnet available to me. I am not a stock picker, I am a trader.
I mean does it really matter?? I would have thought given the El Supremo Gann master that your are, that this would be insignificant.

This might be a share forum but there is plenty of derivatives discussion on here.

Always got some excuse Yogi, haven't you?? Full of wind

yogi-in-oz · 16 June 2007

tech/a said:
Hell Waves----wont be long and yogi will have you elevated to GURU status.

Same old same old from yogi.

The guy who hasnt got an ego but a thread totally devoted to chest beating.
Now for the inevitable attacks.

Go for it.

Why wouldn't there be a response, when you go on the attack, first ...???

... and all that from a pansy, who refuses to enter the ASF monthly contest
on a regular basis, for FEAR of being exposed as something less, than the
guru trader he professes to be ... !~!

Some people here are asking, "If these gurus are doing ANALYSIS on
stocks for THEIR OWN TRADES anyway, how much extra time does it
take to post an entry in the trading contest each month ... ???

..... instead they live in the past, living with the FEAR of being exposed
as frauds, in the present ... !~!

..... or the only timeframe, they are NOT expert in trading, just happens
to be the monthly slot ..... give us a break, puhleeze ... !~!

Take a chance and answer the challenge .... the worst you can
do is lose ..... again ... !~!

byeeee

paul

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wavepicker · 17 June 2007

yogi-in-oz said:
..... or the only timeframe, they are NOT expert in trading, just happens
to be the monthly slot ..... give us a break, puhleeze ... !~!

Take a chance and answer the challenge .... the worst you can
do is lose ..... again ... !~!

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It's not a question be bing EXPERT astroboy. It's a question of % returns. You see the difference between you Gann boys and others, is that you guys have this "obsession" about being right. Being right is more important making $$ is the message I hear from you.

Once again I lay my challenge to you guys down, enter a contest whereby the winner is the one who has the greatest % return in a 2 month period irrespective of what instrument is traded and how many losses or trades one has taken. I don't have time to scan 3000 stocks, I only look at 3-4 instruments tops.

The markets serve only one purpose, they are there to make money. I mean what other use can they possibly have?? Not everyone wants to be like you and just be right, then come out and say "Whoa, look how good I am!!" (which seems quite typical of Gann exponents I must add)after winning a stock picking contest once every 3-4 years.

After all the astro analysis, EW analysis, Cycles Analysis, whatever, all the counts in the end is how $$ much lines your pockets.

So c'mon astroboy, have you got what it takes??

It's Snake Pliskin · 17 June 2007

Maybe a moderator could tabulate the results for the participants and keep it interesting for the crowd of betters.

yogi-in-oz · 17 June 2007

wavepicker said:
It's not a question be bing EXPERT astroboy. It's a question of % returns. You see the difference between you Gann boys and others, is that you guys have this "obsession" about being right. Being right is more important making $$ is the message I hear from you.

Once again I lay my challenge to you guys down, enter a contest whereby the winner is the one who has the greatest % return in a 2 month period irrespective of what instrument is traded and how many losses or trades one has taken. I don't have time to scan 3000 stocks, I only look at 3-4 instruments tops.

The markets serve only one purpose, they are there to make money. I mean what other use can they possibly have?? Not everyone wants to be like you and just be right, then come out and say "Whoa, look how good I am!!" (which seems quite typical of Gann exponents I must add)after winning a stock picking contest once every 3-4 years.

After all the astro analysis, EW analysis, Cycles Analysis, whatever, all the counts in the end is how $$ much lines your pockets.

So c'mon astroboy, have you got what it takes??

..... answer a challenge with a challenge ... that's the easy way to
get off the hook !~!

Sure, there's NO question about the function of the markets ... that's
not an issue here .....

... the only question is this ... when are you guys going to answer the
ORIGINAL challenge here ... ???

That is trading in fully paid SHARES ONLY, over ANY timeframe,
in ANY public forum contest ... it has NOT happened to date
and it is unlikely, that they will ever meet that challenge, because
these guru-boys are FEARFUL of being exposed, as trading frauds !~!

Not having the time to analyze the markets we are trading is a lame
excuse, as supposedly you are doing the analysis anyway, that is if you
REALLY trade at all ... so how long does it take to post that choice ... ???

... so please meet the ORIGINAL challenge or leave this thread in peace.

have a great weekend

paul

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yogi-in-oz · 21 June 2007

Magdoran said:
Good point ..... you’re right, there are times when price is more compelling than time, quite true – the art is in knowing which to use and when, separately or in tandem. But there are times when time is in my view the dominant factor.

The key above all of this for me though is PATTERN. It is a holistic approach. This is where Yogi and I seem to differ, my understanding is that he trades purely on time (although I am thinking about this viewpoint – I just don’t fully understand it yet).

Cheers

Mag

Hi Mag,

Just wanted to clarify the point, that you made above and share
some other stuff in general terms, relating to TIME and PRICE .....

..... while our analysis of TIME and PRICE is done separately,
they are "married together" on the chart, with analysis of one
axis complementing and confirming the other, in an effort to
optimise our trade entries and exits.

As stated previously in this forum, the reasons for analyzing
TIME and PRiCE separately, go like this:

TIME is CONSTANT and therefore easier to evaluate, by way of
astroanalysis, using the cosmic clock ... TIME axis measures TIME only.

By contrast, PRICE is always a VARIANT and therefore much more
difficult to analyze ... PRICE is a measure of MARKET SENTIMENT
and all the human emotions, that are involved in trading a particular
market.

If we just look at XJO chart from 13032003 low, we can see how MARKET
SENTIMENT has been positive ..... and in many markets, that sentiment
can march on for a very long time, much to the chagrin of many traders,
as a stock continues to rally, after we have bailed out.

Trading just on analysis of the TIME axis may be possible, as we will often
get the date (WHEN to trade) correct, but the direction (sentiment) may
be wrong ... !~!

Ignoring MARKET SENTIMENT (price) is a perilous exercise, as if our regular
TA is seriously out of sync with our astroanalysis, then the market will likely
continue in the same direction, instead of reversing, as expected.

So, in short, our astroanalysis on the TIME axis is used to confirm our
regular TA on the PRICE axis, in any market ... and unlike EW, Gann's
astrostuff for time and Gann's mechanical approach for price offer us
INDEPENDENT methodologies in our analysis. That means, when they
agree, it is quite likely, that we are on a winner !~!

More later.

have a great day

paul

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hissho · 21 June 2007

any update on XJO yogi?

thanks a lot
hissho

Trader Paul · 22 June 2007

Hi folks,

EPE ..... by way of example, here's some simple MECHANICAL analysis,
for BOTH TIME and price, using a 50% Gann retracement:

High = 22102004 = 43 cents

Low = 15022007 = 2.2 cents

Range = 846 days = 40.8 cents

50% retracement targets = TIME = 15022007 + 423 days = 14042008
= PRICE = .022+ .204 = .225 ...................

Attached chart shows a dotted blue triangle, anticipating
the mean rate of recovery from the lower edge of a price
action ellipse.

happy days

paul

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It's Snake Pliskin · 22 June 2007

Welcome to the site Trader Paul.

Can you post a chart without the attachment?

wayneL · 22 June 2007

Trader Paul = Yogi?

Trader Paul · 22 June 2007

.... that's correct Wayne ... Joe asked me to establish another account,
while he checked out why attachments could not be posted, using the
original account ..... see thread on posting attachments .....

have a great day

paul

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Trader Paul · 22 June 2007

.... not sure if this will work, Snake.

It's Snake Pliskin · 22 June 2007

Yogi, thanks for the chart.

Interesting charting indeed.

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