Astrostuff ... Gann from a different angle ...

Sorry if I seem to be having a go, I am not, I am however attempting to apply a prove/disprove approach.

So far no one has been able to provide a dollar and cents conversion of the theory.

Cheers

Gann is a hard nut to crack , there are alot of pieces missing but I work with what I can understand , sometimes it provides me with an indication as to what might happen and other times it might be off the mark because there is something else in play , but overall its an interesting path to follow . Heres an earlier post FYI .


Posted : 4th-August-2007, 01:43 PM




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Looking at The HSI from a technical perspective we can see that the recent top came in a few different ways which is always easy to see with the benefit of hindsight but by looking back and trying to understand the behavioural characteristics of the mkt through the interaction of timing and pricing componets we can try and establish a directional roadmap to look forward .

The recent top at 23593 runs out a 10 year cycle from the old top 16839 in 1997 which was the first significant high after incorporation . sometimes a linear 10 year cycle can be reasonably accurate in particular when multiple time frames move into directional alignment -/+ so sometimes projecting these larger cycles fwd from significant turning points can lay the foundations in establishing where the mkts might run into zones of resist or otherwise but they are not a stand alone function and should be viewed in context to the prevailing structure of the market and the harmonic balance and interaction between the smaller sub cycles .

Still looking at how that top came in and switching down to a daily chrt there is a 144 day cycle blowing off into the 23593 top also so breaking this cycle down further and trying to understand how price and time are moving through the proportionate parts of the square in particular the timing divisions .
the origin point for the 144 day cycle is the low at 18659 so placing SQ144 over the chart we can see price rallied up to 1/2 of square in time ( 72 ) and found resist at 21098 and from that point we had a small retracement into 2/3 of the square ( 96 ) which set up for a 48 day blowoff to complete the 144 day cycle . this all fits togethor like a glove in hindsight and sometimes these cycles can be accurate if pattern is confirming the timing divisions and other times there might be other factors at play just beneath the surface that can throw your analysis completely of base but generally its ok .

So we have a 10 year cycle running out on the mthly chrt . first significant top out from incorporation . 10 years high to high .
then scaling down we have the 144 cycle aligning with the 10 year cycle and there is also a 180 day cycle high to high on the daily chart also but I didnt mention that because the pricing harmonics are not all that strong within the square .

Range extensions on the weekly chrt : breaking down the large 18445 - 8255 range into its percentage retracements and observing how price has reacted at certain lvs shows us a few things . the midpoint at 13286 held strong support as did the 3/4 point at 7674 . past energy points become future energy points and can sometimes be numerically related . projecting ( range ) 10190 upward as range extension we can see the 1/4 extension stopped the rally at 20846 and the 1/2 extension bought in the top at 23593 so this is an important technical boundary .
Range extensions were also at play on the daily but on a smaller scale .
18640PPL - 21098PPH 100% upside extension hits 23593 .


Looking forward : balancing price corrections in the bull campaign
1st correction : retraces 3126 pts into 2004 low
2nd correction : retraces 2231 pts into 2006 low
3rd correction : retraces 2316 pts into 2007 low

so the largest overbalance in price is 3126 in this campaign and the average is approx 2273 . taking 3126 off the current top will take us to 20473 breaking important support at 21098 on the way down . this is only a possibility as I am just balancing the corrections and watching price around these zones

taking 2273 off the current top will take us to 21320 keeping us above critical 21098 support .


First timing date is due 17th Aug :

Running SQ180 over the weekly chart puts forward several possibilities but first it is important to look at how price and time are rotating through the square . running the SQ180 out from xxx PPH price action rallies into 5/8 square in time and then subsequently retraces into 2/3 square in time before pressing higher . I am not giving out the origin point but just trying to establish a transitional structure based upon past characteristics of the square 7/8 of the square brings in a low so there is a possibility that a completion of time into 17th August might bring a change of trend .
At this stage it is hard to gauge whether the 17th might bring in a low or or a lower high but remaining open to the pattern of the mkt and assesing how price structure is behaving around this point might set something up , I dont know , it could just turn out to be nothing but at least we have a someboundaries to work with . there are no convergent daily cycles to line up with the weekly 180 but sometimes the dominant cycle will overide the sub cycles .

Second timing date is less significant but worthy to note : 10th Aug
this cycle doesnt look very strong SQ120 out from XXX with midpoint vibration at 60 weeks . price and time are not moving in harmonic alliance but without discounting this it is worth watching .


Tieing everything togethor : looking at the prevailing structure of the mkt and the HSI does look rather weak with recent price action gapping lower and not closing that gap within 3 days might indicate the possibility of further downside . the two large black candles are not indicating strength and by balancing the ( two ) cntr trend possibilities against the timing dates provided we have a few strategies to play with but pattern is king and time turns trend , if you can balance the two it can sometimes shine a light on mkt direction .

Public Forecast posted 4th August for significant timing date on HSI 17th August 13 days in advance although I couldnt qualify it at that time as a high or low but the timing date was accurate . 17th August bought in the major spike low .

Looking at NAB : 14th August is the next significant timing date . We are 360 deg from the 2007 spike low which might set up the possibility of an Anniversary low but other factors will have to line up to confirm this .
Helio : Earth 22 deg Aquarius 20" Helio : Neptune 22 deg Aquarius 51 with both planets approximately parallel and other timing dates moving into alignment on this date there is a possibility of a low into this date .
Half of the high price is 22.50 approx so we could look for a bottom reversal signal around this point . If market action is not in line with my analysis I will pick something else .

Interesting. Do you have any analysis for the XJO?

Thanks in advance

Trader Paul said:

Posted 08072008:

Hi Rapt88,

SPI ... some time cycles, ahead:

21072008 ..... difficult cycle = negative sentiment ... ???

(21-29072008 may be particularly negative for DOW = DJIA)

25072008 ..... positive time cycle

28-29072008 ..... 2 significant and negative cycles here

04082008 ..... positive news here

08082008 ..... positive spotlight on XJO

19-20082008 ..... 2 significant and negative time cycles here


08-09092008 ..... negative spotlight on XJO

11-12092008 ..... 3 positive time cycles here .....


2909-07102008 ..... DOW likely to be strongly negative here


have a great day

paul


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Hi folks,

..... DOW down more than 300 points last night, ahead of
more anticipated negativity for XJO, early next week ... !~!

have a great day

paul



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Trader Paul said:

Hi folks,

..... DOW down more than 300 points last night, ahead of
more anticipated negativity for XJO, early next week ... !~!

have a great day

paul

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Hi folks,

..... and so it was !~!

Despite a 290 point gain for the DOW last night,
our XJO slid 87 points, today ... !~!

Still anticipating some positive moves, in a couple of days .....

11-12092008 ..... 3 positive time cycles here .....

have a great day

paul



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Trader Paul,

You clearly stated 08-09/09/2008 would be negative.



So from your prediction "08-09092008 ..... negative spotlight on XJO"

You were completely wrong.

The 08th had the biggest rise in weeks, maybe months and you say you were correct

I'd hate to see what happens when you are wrong.

gazelle looks like he knows his stuff.

But

Looking at NAB : 14th August is the next significant timing date .

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Hmmmm.

Porper said:

Trader Paul,

You clearly stated 08-09/09/2008 would be negative.

So from your prediction "08-09092008 ..... negative spotlight on XJO"

You were completely wrong.

The 08th had the biggest rise in weeks, maybe months and you say you were correct.

I'd hate to see what happens when you are wrong.

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Hi Porper,

yeah, yeah, yeah, we've heard it all before ...

... given that post was made on 8th July 2008 (ie 2 months ago),
then a range of 24 hours is not an unreasonable timeframe to be
alert for a significant change in market sentiment ... so, on the
09092008 the market DID turn down (87 points), despite a 290 point
lead from the DOW, the previous night.

..... maybe, the skeptix would care to post a forecast on XJO that is
accurate, within a 24 hour window for us ..... even ONE month ahead !~!

But we know, that just wont happen.

have a great day

paul



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Paul,

I think your calls are mostly spot on, much better than most on this forum.

I'm not sure what you do with those calls or what set-ups you use to trade them, but nevertheless keep it up.

Probably help if you posted charts so that others can identify set-ups to match them. People like to see pretty pictures.

BTW.... 87 points is a primary range on the SPI


Frank

Trader Paul said:

... given that post was made on 8th July 2008 (ie 2 months ago),
then a range of 24 hours is not an unreasonable timeframe to be
alert for a significant change in market sentiment ... so, on the
09092008 the market DID turn down (87 points), despite a 290 point
lead from the DOW, the previous night.

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Paul from my charts the DOW has actually gone NO WHERE yet!!

Up big one day, back the next. In fact its right where it was last Thursday is it not?

I would still like to see in practise how you would trade this. I mean it may be an interesting game to play heads or tails on a coin flip 20 turns away but I would like to see how it works.

I have no interest in "predicting" a move 1 month away if I cannot turn that into a positive expectancy system. So I'm sorry I cannot tell you what will happen in 2 months BUT I can tell you that I will be making REAL money with a real trading system in two months just like the last two months.

It would be good if you could show some real trades, for the skeptics :bowdown:

Trembling Hand said:

Paul from my charts the DOW has actually gone NO WHERE yet!!

Up big one day, back the next. In fact its right where it was last Thursday is it not?

It would be good if you could show some real trades, for the skeptics

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... well, here's another tip for the DOW, this week ... there's
three significant and negative time cycles coming into play
on 11-12092008, this week.

At the same time, we are looking for XJO to disconnect from
the DOW again, with 3 positive cycles coming into play ... so,
while the DOW may be punished significantly by week's end,
XJO should hold up a lot better.

As for my own STOCK trades, there's a mountain of them been
posted on this forum and others ... ALL of them are real trades,
unless otherwise stated.

happy days

paul



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Frank D said:

Paul,

I think your calls are mostly spot on, much better than most on this forum.

I'm not sure what you do with those calls or what set-ups you use to trade them, but nevertheless keep it up.

Probably help if you posted charts so that others can identify set-ups to match them. People like to see pretty pictures.

BTW.... 87 points is a primary range on the SPI


Frank

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Hi Frank,

Many thanks for your kind words ... they are much appreciated ...

As previously noted, astroanalysis is NOT a stand alone trading method,
but it IS one way of analyzing the TIME axis on our charts and another
COMPLEMENTARY tool for techies to use, alongside their regular TA, on
any stock.

As for posting charts ..... don't have enough time to do that these
days, but will get back to it, as other commitments are fulfilled.

have a great day

paul



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Trader Paul said:

Posted 08072008:

Hi Rapt88,

SPI ... some time cycles, ahead:

15072008 ..... minor and positive (intraday only)

17072008 ..... minor and positive (intraday only)

21072008 ..... difficult cycle = negative sentiment ... ???

(21-29072008 may be particularly negative for DOW = DJIA)

25072008 ..... positive time cycle

28-29072008 ..... 2 significant and negative cycles here

04082008 ..... positive news here

08082008 ..... positive spotlight on XJO

19-20082008 ..... 2 significant and negative time cycles here

08-09092008 ..... negative spotlight on XJO

11-12092008 ..... 3 positive time cycles here .....


2909-07102008 ..... DOW likely to be strongly negative here


have a great day

paul

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Hi folks,

From post above:

2909-07102008 ..... DOW likely to be strongly negative here


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..... and to add a little more for the next couple of months:-

DOW ..... if you think it is bad now, just wait until Jupiter gets
in on the act, 17-27102008 !~! (New Moon 28102008)

And just in time for the US elections:

..... be watching for the Saturn/Uranus opposition,
as it becomes exact and is triggered yet again, by:

Venus 03112008
Sun 11112008 (Full moon 13112008)
Jupiter 03-19112008

have a great day

paul



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16th August 2007 WPL : At this point Mercury and Venus were conjunct at 25 Deg Leo 25" trine Pluto which is 120 Deg . This seems to be the predominant astrological influence at the time of the low . We can also see a cluster of four planets between 23 - 27 Deg Leo . It is difficult to determine whether this particular influence is responsible for running the trend up but we have an Astronomical reference point to work from .
16th August 2007 : Pluto is 26 Deg Sag 25" and the Sun is 23 Deg Leo 55" .
For the Sun to move into the transition point to replace Pluto it travels 123 deg and is precise on the 18th December 2007 coinciding with the spike low .
!6th August 2007 : Mercury is 25 Deg Leo 20" and is precise on the 17th December at 26 Deg Sag 25 " replacing Pluto . When Civil and Planetary Time move into directional alignment it enhances the probability of a change in trend . Gann said all market tops and bottoms are mathematically connected , He used to look at the Position of trend according to various Time cycles and Geometric Angles .

Still looking at the 16th August : we can see Saturn at 27 Deg Leo 55 or 147.91 Deg Geo and Mars at 6 Deg Gemini 21 " or 66.34 Deg Geo . Adding 81.57 Deg has Mars precise at the 27th June 2008 Secondary Top .
Over The next few weeks I will be applying this in real time although a fair amount of work is required before the rubber hits the road .

Keep The code .

Trader Paul said:

Posted 16092008:

Hi folks,

From post above:

2909-07102008 ..... DOW likely to be strongly negative here


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..... and to add a little more for the next couple of months:-

DOW ..... if you think it is bad now, just wait until Jupiter gets
in on the act, 17-27102008 !~! (New Moon 28102008)

And just in time for the US elections:

..... be watching for the Saturn/Uranus opposition,
as it becomes exact and is triggered yet again, by:

Venus 03112008
Sun 11112008 (Full moon 13112008)
Jupiter 03-19112008

have a great day

paul



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..... and DOW negativity takes its cue, right on time .....

happy trading

paul



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Trader Paul said:

2909-07102008 ..... DOW likely to be strongly negative here




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Trader Paul,

Nice call(s). Did you trade them?

How is it looking Astro-wise for the SPI thru' to Jan '09 ?

Rapt88

rapt88 said:

Trader Paul,

Nice call(s). Did you trade them?

How is it looking Astro-wise for the SPI thru' to Jan '09 ?

Rapt88

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..... will get back to you, Rapt88.

Have been standing aside from most stocks and will be very selective
over the next couple of months, as the slaughter continues .....

Expect the negativity to continue, as per previous post, below:

Trader Paul said:

From post on 08072008:

2909-07102008 ..... DOW likely to be strongly negative here


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..... and to add a little more for the next couple of months:-

DOW ..... if you think it is bad now, just wait until Jupiter gets
in on the act, 17-27102008 !~! (New Moon 28102008)

And just in time for the US elections:

..... be watching for the Saturn/Uranus opposition,
as it becomes exact and is triggered yet again, by:

Venus 03112008
Sun 11112008 (Full moon 13112008)
Jupiter 03-19112008

have a great day

paul



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Hi folks,
According to our astroanalysis, crude oil prices will rocket in 2009, but we
will likely get a little foretaste of things to come, next month:

24-30112008 ... a strong rally in the oil price likely.

18 May --->> 06 July 2009 ..... peak oil one = POO ... !~!

Significant triggers during this period may be expected, on:

20052009 ... significant oil news expected here.

27-29052009 ... 3 significant time cycles in play here.

03062009 ... a focus on the oil price ???

10062009 ... more significant oil news expected here

15-18062008 ... another cycle to trigger a rally ???

02072009 ... 4 time cycles come together here
to have the world focused on the oil price.

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Then, late in 2009:

02122009 ... news to trigger a rally in oil prices

16122009 ... a strong rally in oil prices expected

18-28122009 ... peak oil two = POT ... !~!

have a great day

paul



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