Astrostuff ... Gann from a different angle ...

[Trembling Hand]

Trader Paul,

Are you trading a live account yet or still on demo in competitions?

Really??

 

[Trader Paul]

Hi folks,

In answer to the difference between Fibonacci time clusters
and Gann time clusters .....

A Fibo time cluster may be generated in any time
frame, using multiples/divisions of 1.618 or .618
ratios to project a static cycle forward, from the
start or end of the chosen time frame.

If the process is used on different intervals,
then the target times/dates may fall very close
to each other, forming a cluster ... +/- 1 day,
for example.

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Gann clusters can be generated from a SINGLE date/time,
(ie ... a high or low) using either static time cycles
or dynamic planetary cycles to identify a time cluster,
that may be a critical turning point for price.

have a great day

paul



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[>Apocalypto<]

Hi folks,

In answer to the difference between Fibonacci time clusters
and Gann time clusters .....

A Fibo time cluster may be generated in any time
frame, using multiples/divisions of 1.618 or .618
ratios to project a static cycle forward, from the
start or end of the chosen time frame.

If the process is used on different intervals,
then the target times/dates may fall very close
to each other, forming a cluster ... +/- 1 day,
for example.

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Gann clusters can be generated from a SINGLE date/time,
(ie ... a high or low) using either static time cycles
or dynamic planetary cycles to identify a time cluster,
that may be a critical turning point for price.

have a great day

paul



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Why don't you really test yourself out Paul by trading real money.

You really can't say a approach works until you tested it on a real account. So I am saying you methods are unproven until you trade live!

Good trading stock comp boy!

 

[Trader Paul]

Posted 08072008:

Hi Rapt88,

SPI ... some time cycles, ahead:

21072008 ..... difficult cycle = negative sentiment ... ???

(21-29072008 may be particularly negative for DOW = DJIA)

28-29072008 ..... 2 significant and negative cycles here

04082008 ..... positive news here

08082008 ..... positive spotlight on XJO

19-20082008 ..... 2 significant and negative time cycles here

08-09092008 ..... negative spotlight on XJO

11-12092008 ..... 3 positive time cycles here .....


2909-07102008 ..... DOW likely to be strongly negative here


have a great day

paul


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Hi folks,

As expected, DOW taking a beating ... and more to come, next week ...

have a great day

paul



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[Porper]

Hi folks,

As expected, DOW taking a beating ... and more to come, next week ...

have a great day

paul



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Not sure why you are beating your own chest Paul.You were blatantly wrong about the 21st being negative and we haven't hit your very negative 29th point yet.

Infact from what I can see you are only correct when you say "X day will be negative intraday".Love that one.

 

[Trader Paul]

"(21-29072008 may be particularly negative for DOW = DJIA)"

..... 21st WAS a negative day for the DOW and as stated above, 21st
to 29th July 2008 is expected to be particularly negative for the DOW
and looking at the calendar, today falls into that time frame ... yes ...???

..... and how far did the DOW drop, last night ... ??? It sure looks like
it is going down, from this end ... !~!

Let's see what next week brings .....

have a great day

paul



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[Trembling Hand]

"(21-29072008 may be particularly negative for DOW = DJIA)"

..... 21st WAS a negative day for the DOW and as stated above, 21st
to 29th July 2008 is expected to be particularly negative for the DOW
and looking at the calendar, today falls into that time frame ... yes ...???

..... and how far did the DOW drop, last night ... ???

Paul so how did you trade such info?? Because from looking at the real results the Dow went up 300 odd points from 21st to get 150 odd point drop to last night??

 

[Trader Paul]

Hi folks,

Like many stock traders, using the indices as a guide to overall market sentiment and
to complement our technical analysis and trading in STOCKS is nothing unusual.

Having some foreknowledge of such sentiment and approximately WHEN
the major moves will happen can be helpful in making trading decisions,
at times.

..... this is NOT about trading indices, though some traders DO
use similar INTRADAY time cycles to come to an expectation of
WHEN entries/exits may be executed, in confirmation of their regular TA.

have a great day

paul

P.S. ..... DOW was down 283 points last night .....

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[Trader Paul]

Hi Rapt88,

SPI ... some time cycles, ahead:

21072008 ..... difficult cycle = negative sentiment ... ???

(21-29072008 may be particularly negative for DOW = DJIA)

25072008 ..... positive time cycle

28-29072008 ..... 2 significant and negative cycles here

04082008 ..... positive news here

08082008 ..... positive spotlight on XJO

19-20082008 ..... 2 significant and negative time cycles here

08-09092008 ..... negative spotlight on XJO

11-12092008 ..... 3 positive time cycles here .....


2909-07102008 ..... DOW likely to be strongly negative here


have a great day

paul


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Hi folks,

... yep, it sure looks like it has has been going down, from this end ... !~!

DOW down another 239 points, last night ..... but, it that was no
real surprise for Gannsters ... !~!

have a great day

paul



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[gazelle]

Hi Yogi I hope things are going well for you .
Looking at the RIO top 19th May 2008 with Helio Mars at 9 deg Virgo 18" adding a semisquare to this date equals 24 deg Libra 29" on the 45 deg angle 28th August 2008 . An opposition will occur on The 23rd August with Helio Mars at 22 Libra 09" which is 180 deg out from 16th August 2007 spike low . On the 28th August Saturn is semisextile at 11 deg Virgo 43" or 30 deg in longitude from the 11th May 2006 spike high . The 28th August is also 60 and 120 degrees out from important tops in civil time so I will be watching this time window with interest . Between 23rd - 28th we have Mars at 45 and 180 deg and Saturn at 30 deg . I have found the semisquare positions to be reasonably accurate within a day and sometimes a few hours of the degree but the larger magnitude angles are abit more reliable I find especially with Jupiter at square or opposition points . From an astrological perspective it is quite difficult to correlate a positive or negative position on these dates as I havent studied that far as yet . Pattern of trend and course of sales will on this date -/+1 will provide further technical evidence on position of trend .

Regards Gazelle Keep the code .

 

[tech/a]

Impressive.

So with RIO we have no position up until the 28th of August and its

From an astrological perspective it is quite difficult to correlate a positive or negative position on these dates

To make a call relative to 2808.

Not to worry

Pattern of trend and course of sales will on this date -/+1 will provide further technical evidence on position of trend .

Will come to the rescue.

Personally I see RIO coming into some money--good for finances.
Be wary of so called friends---could be a take over bid brewing.
Be very cautious with easteners.
Love life will wane later in the year--fickle punters.

 

[Trader Paul]

Hi Yogi I hope things are going well for you .
Looking at the RIO top 19th May 2008 with Helio Mars at 9 deg Virgo 18" adding a semisquare to this date equals 24 deg Libra 29" on the 45 deg angle 28th August 2008 . An opposition will occur on The 23rd August with Helio Mars at 22 Libra 09" which is 180 deg out from 16th August 2007 spike low . On the 28th August Saturn is semisextile at 11 deg Virgo 43" or 30 deg in longitude from the 11th May 2006 spike high . The 28th August is also 60 and 120 degrees out from important tops in civil time so I will be watching this time window with interest . Between 23rd - 28th we have Mars at 45 and 180 deg and Saturn at 30 deg . I have found the semisquare positions to be reasonably accurate within a day and sometimes a few hours of the degree but the larger magnitude angles are abit more reliable I find especially with Jupiter at square or opposition points . From an astrological perspective it is quite difficult to correlate a positive or negative position on these dates as I havent studied that far as yet . Pattern of trend and course of sales will on this date -/+1 will provide further technical evidence on position of trend .

Regards Gazelle Keep the code .

Hi Gazelle,

RIO ... technically, the price action on 28072008 has confirmed 25072008,
as a morning star pattern and working from a geo perspective, we can
confirm 28082008 as another significant date.

Here's our astroanalysis for RIO, over the next few months:

11082008 ... significant and positive ... finance-related???

13-14082008 ... 2 significant cycles and positive news expected here

22082008 ... minor and positive lunar aspect

28-29082008 ... 2 significant and conflicting time cycles, one
positive and one negative = flat trading at a high ???

03-05092008 ... significant and negative news expected here,
as 2 negative RIO cycles, come out to play

29092008 ... 2 negative and one positive cycle, should focus
a negative spotlight on RIO, at New Moon

06102008 ... minor and positive lunar aspect

13-14102008 ... minor and positive cycle

24102008 ... minor time cycle

29-30102008 ... minor and positive light on RIO

07-10112008 ... minor and positive news expected

17-18112008 ... significant and positive cycle - finance-related ???

25-28112008 ... 3 time cycles to bring minor news

15-16122008 ... 2 aspects to bring significant and positive news

29122008 ... positive spotlight on RIO

02-05012009 ... expecting a short and aggressive rally

07012009 ... minor news

09-12012009 ... minor and positive ... finances ... ???

15012009 ... minor news

26012009 ... minor cycle

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After a strong start to February 2009, particularly around 02022009,
the next round of negative cycles should begin, about 11022009 ...

More later

have a great day

paul



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[gazelle]

I am sure The Chinese are waiting and watching with anticipation . Significant timing co ordinates can set up a range of possibilities and these can be measured in solar degrees plannetary time civil time Heliocentric and Geocentric times . There are several ways to use this imformation and I am just looking at that date as a potential point of cause or a sign on the road if you will . RIO appears to have bottomed and the 3 day swing chart is indicating up so we can either position with the trend or wait for a 1 - 3 day reversal . The June rally was $16.45 in 9 days and this current rally is $13.55 in five days so we could look at either 129.06 as a balancing point in price or 9 days out as a balancing point in time , as you can appreciate these targets may or may not be reached but they do provide us with a structural reference in regards to establishing a planned entry either with the trend or pullback entry . 128.77 is the range midpoint and if we have strong momentum above this point it should indicate higher but there is a large window to close at the 130.00 level . Option No 2 is to wait for the market to react accordingly and confirm our date , simply executing a trade on the nominated date in the expectation of being proven correct is a very risky approach . Market confirmation may come a few hours or even one day after the forecast date . Market action proves the rules and not until sufficient time is up will the market change its trend . My strategy is to wait for the timing date and then position in line with what the instrument is doing , if trend moves through the nominated date with no directional confirmation I will simply move on to the next setup whatever that may be. By calculating plannetary longitude and applying the proportionate degrees of the circle to an instrument we can establish a model of cause and use this as a forward projection model . Plannetary movement is based upon strict causal laws and determing which market is moving in geometric co ordination to those elements is the hard part .

 

[Boggo]

I am open to most ideas and systems etc.
I am however at a complete loss as to how you might trade this stuff or is it just a hobby and this is a form of communication between a few of you.

Can any one of you actually post a trade as you enter it or exit it with some semblance basic layman communication as to why or how you made that decision.

This whole sequence of posts conjures up visions of why a psychic would need to have a doorbell, the first clue that they may have a clue would be that they know when you arrive at their door.

My

 

[Trader Paul]

Hi Boggo,

..... it's all quite simple, really.

We simply use Gann's astroanalysis techniques to evaluate the TIME
axis on our charts, using the results to confirm our regular TA, which
is mainly focused on the PRICE axis of the chart.

So, to most Gannsters, market TIMING is at least as important, as price.

Most traders don't want to do the work, learning about the astrocycles
and how to apply them ... there's no free lunches, but some understanding
may be gained by following the examples posted and line them up,
alongside your regular TA, as confirmation.

Where positive cycles come into play, a rally may be expected, so a
long position may be taken, around that time. Or, if a negative cycle
is posted, we can probably expect a pullback or retreat in that market,
so it may be a good place to exit or go short.

There's hundreds of examples already posted, where you can compare
the cycles with the charts or watch them, as they unfold ... and like all
technical indicators, it does not work every time, but it does work enough
to keep some of us in the markets, as full-time traders .....

And, if you have a year or so, you can read all about it ... just google "Gann".

have a great day

paul



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[rapt88]

Hey Boggo,

Re. "Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes"

I wouldn't call myself overeducated ... but I know how & where to research

"non stolidus - bonus iocus"

Rapt88

 

[gazelle]

This is why alot of Ganns work is coded although there is a very open side to this man also . Look at how to make profits trading in commodities 1942 .
Yes it is 66 years old and 412 pages long which would immediately put most people off but the amount of imformation in that book is huge . Gann talks about things like using the percentage of highs and lows as a price forecasting mechanism and breaks down sections of market campaigns in a logical and practical fashion . This is foundation knowledge along with Van Tharpes book but alot of people cannot appreciate the magnitude of work required to unlock Gann , even at least some of his methods . In order to appreciate Profits in Commodities you will have to go back 70 or 80 years and set the charts up either manually or through historical data and this book is only a prelude to what is contained within The Commodities Course . Gann was a Mason of the 33rd Degree and a very multidimensional man . Have a look at the books on his reccomended reading list and then you will understand that a cursory reading of Gann will offer minimal insights into his various lines of operation , you have to devote alot of time and completely alter your perceptual framework to set up his charts and attempt to apply Natural Law to the market under review . Moving straight into Plannetary Longitudes and The Square of 9 is akin to labourer performing detailed surgery in a hospital without laying the adequate foundation . Ganns work is deliberately coded and veiled in this manner to keep alot of people out and thats the way it should be . There is enough imformation here to join the dots and if you are serious about Gann start with Profits in Commodities and 45 years in Wall St .

 

[gazelle]

Yogi , Thanks for the details , I would like to select one of your dates and I have chosen 13th - 14th August as an example . On this date you have outlined two significant cycles and expected positive news . On the 14th we have Mercury 8 deg Virgo 23" - Venus 11 deg Virgo 03" - Saturn 9 deg Virgo 26" and this triple conjuction is trine Jupiter . The conjunction looks reasonably significant with a variation of only a few degrees and with three planets in Virgo . Having established the longitudal position of the planets trine Jupiter how can you estimate what bearing these co ordinates will have on RIO at that particular point in time . Perhaps if we constrtucted a Natal chart back to FTD and tested the accuracy of these co ordinates we might just find that RIO has a strong historical tendency to turn when conjunctions occur in Virgo or Oppositions . But whilst this Plannetary alignment is a significant forthcoming event it is difficult to corelate which stocks or commodities will be directly affected or not affected at all by this conjunction . With Mercury having a rotation of 88 days and Venus 224 days you might only expect a small magnitude movement relative to position and orbital size . 19th May has Helio Mars 8 deg Virgo 03 and Helio Saturn 8 deg Virgo 04 which bought in the top .

 

[Boggo]

This is why alot of Ganns work is coded although there is a very open side to this man also . Look at how to make profits trading in commodities 1942 .
Yes it is 66 years old and 412 pages long which would immediately put most people off but the amount of imformation in that book is huge . Gann talks about things like using the percentage of highs and lows as a price forecasting mechanism and breaks down sections of market campaigns in a logical and practical fashion . This is foundation knowledge along with Van Tharpes book but alot of people cannot appreciate the magnitude of work required to unlock Gann , even at least some of his methods . In order to appreciate Profits in Commodities you will have to go back 70 or 80 years and set the charts up either manually or through historical data and this book is only a prelude to what is contained within The Commodities Course . Gann was a Mason of the 33rd Degree and a very multidimensional man . Have a look at the books on his reccomended reading list and then you will understand that a cursory reading of Gann will offer minimal insights into his various lines of operation , you have to devote alot of time and completely alter your perceptual framework to set up his charts and attempt to apply Natural Law to the market under review . Moving straight into Plannetary Longitudes and The Square of 9 is akin to labourer performing detailed surgery in a hospital without laying the adequate foundation . Ganns work is deliberately coded and veiled in this manner to keep alot of people out and thats the way it should be . There is enough imformation here to join the dots and if you are serious about Gann start with Profits in Commodities and 45 years in Wall St .

I am yet to see an actual trade based on any/some/all of the above.
Maybe I am missing something that should be obvious.
Can we see someone "walking the walk", ie a trade example of where this works in reality.

This is an extract from Dr. Alexander Elder's book, "Trading for a Living"

 

[gazelle]

Boggo , I dont really care what your expectations are and I am not prepared to engage in a wholesale discussion of what techniques I employ in my trading system although in due course I will try and outline a trade using ( some ) of the mechanical principles of Gann .There are alot of comments from both camps and lot of people discredit Gann because they can’t work out his methods . W.D.Gann never revealed or sold his secrets to anyone – including his son. Gann wanted you to have to work for the secrets. In actual fact, Gann did not get along with his son.