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I am going to start home brewing my own beer as a protest.
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Start your own whiskey and call it
"Nipp On".
Wait is that considered culturally inappropriate in 2019?
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Well this is going to put a cat among the pigeons, Aust Uni's producing dodgy scientific papers, the whole education system needs a reboot back to a previous version. IMO
https://www.smh.com.au/national/bad...e-unreliable-compromised-20190719-p528ql.html
https://www.smh.com.au/national/bad...e-unreliable-compromised-20190719-p528ql.html
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Another example of the breakdown in governance, standards and integrity which we see in so many areas.
Money has been pulled out of universities so they have to pass students who don't deserve to be passed because they pay full fees, and we have to rely on "partnerships" with China for funding.
It's pathetic really.
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The other issue is too many people are going to Uni, it is about time they realised not everyone is suitable. I know of several kids who have gone to uni, wasted 3 years and now do jobs, that they could have attained with year 10 schooling.
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Yes indeed. The ATAR needs to be raised significantly to encourage students to work harder in school and only the brightest get into uni.
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Not just Oz. I've mentioned the deplorable date of Science over the years here a few times.
In my own field, its like shooting fish in a barrel, pulling up supposed science over pooe or intrinsically biased experiment design.
There is also an ignorance if what actually constitutes proper science, one poorly researched and ludicrously easy to disprove *article comes to mind, being touted as "peer reviewed science", to the detriment of equines right across the world.
That is not even to mention the dearth of falsification and proper peer review.
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Yes it is unbelievable, I have an 8 year old and a 4 year old grandson's living with us.
The 8 year old, I'm teaching him his times table, they don't do it at school.
Also I was reading, the Uni's are finding students have no idea what to expect, when putting a formula into a calculator. So when the answer comes out ridiculous, they have no idea it is ridiculous.
Obviously school is becoming a child care facility, I know I was doing fractions at school, when I was eight.
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I remember we had to be able to recite the entire times tables, 1 to 12, in primary school
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Well trust me, those days are gone, now we have a problem with Uni students not knowing them.
When they punch numbers into a calculator, they take for granted what comes out the other end, so imagine the problem typo's cause.
The laughable part is, they have no idea why student results are dropping, is there any wonder the Country is in trouble?
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It's not just the times tables. I don't know how many times I have given the cashier at a store say $10.15 when the bill comes to $9.65, expecting but not specifically requesting a 50 cent piece in return (for both their and my convenience), only to get a look of bewilderment usually accompanied by "it's only $9.65".
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Not just the times table but the alphabet too.
I remember in 5th grade aka year 5 that our teacher was appalled that less than half the class, as individuals, could not recite the alphabet from A to Z.
Every day for a month or so, as a class that is what we all did until everyone of us could, as individuals, recite it without error.
Yes, a public school with about 35 or so students in that one class. I can also remember the teacher's name, Mr Lang.
FWIW. I remember this plain as day.
I saluted Mr Lang in military fashion when acknowledging "Here sir" at roll call one day. Later, he called me aside and asked why I'd saluted him. I told him why and he ask me if that was the only reason.
"Yes sir."
"Are you telling me the truth?"
"Yes sir."
"Right, don't do it again, off to class with you." he said.
"Yes sir, sorry sir."
At the time i thought that it was strange that he pressed me about my action and it affected me for reasons I couldn't fathom. I mulled this over time and time again over many years as my action was done as a sign of respect but, I was admonished for it.
Later in life and learning of the Vietnam war and conscription, I finally put two and two together.
To this day I often wonder what become of Mr Lang. He only taught at our school for that one year and boy, he was one of the best teachers I've had the pleasure to learn from, he made learning and being in class, fun!
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The problem with a child not knowing the times table IMO, it will lead to all sorts of learning problems later, division can't be done without knowing the tables.
So how hard will it be for a secondary school student, to understand a complex chemistry or physics formula, when they actually don't understand the multiplication and division process?
Unless schools go back to basics, our education standards will continue to slide, until our Universities aren't recognised Internationally.
Just my opinion.
So how hard will it be for a secondary school student, to understand a complex chemistry or physics formula, when they actually don't understand the multiplication and division process?
Unless schools go back to basics, our education standards will continue to slide, until our Universities aren't recognised Internationally.
Just my opinion.
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Same here.
Times tables were one thing. Spelling of words was another.
And yes "Fail" most certainly was a possible outcome of the test. Get a word wrong and we had to write it out a hundred times spelled correctly.
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Or even if not necessarily the absolute brightest, just a sensible number.
I've nothing against higher education and do thing everyone who is capable ought to have the option to attend but it's ridiculous that it has come to the point that we'd got people with degrees employed as bus drivers or waiters.
I blame the trend of parents having too much influence. I sure didn't have anyone holding my hand upon finishing grade 10 and everything which happened after that point was of my own initiative. These days it seems somewhat common that parents are still making decisions when their children are actually adults and that's just ridiculous.
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Or even if not necessarily the absolute brightest, just a sensible number.
I've nothing against higher education and do thing everyone who is capable ought to have the option to attend but it's ridiculous that it has come to the point that we'd got people with degrees employed as bus drivers or waiters.
I blame the trend of parents having too much influence. I sure didn't have anyone holding my hand upon finishing grade 10 and everything which happened after that point was of my own initiative. These days it seems somewhat common that parents are still making decisions when their children are actually adults and that's just ridiculous.
To make it a bit political, even though I'm generally a Labor supporter I believe that they raised expectations too high by delivering a message that everyone should be able to go to university as a right without putting in some hard work beforehand and showing that they deserved to go. The class warfare type argument.
This combined with the cost cutting in the tertiary sector by the Conservatives have put the universities in a real pickle , trying to deal with increased numbers of students and getting less money to do it.
And combined with Left wing teachers unions in schools who think social justice and demonstrating against climate change is more important than STEM subjects because STEM subjects are too hard for them has resulted in students totally unprepared for the rigour and discipline that universities require.
Hearing the teacher's unions bitch about NAPLAN because they are terrified that they will be shown up as failures just shows the current state of the system.
The education sector has been totally stuffed by all sides of politics imo.
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Plus the other aspect, and I do recall having this debate offline a long time ago, is that we simply don't need everyone to go to uni anyway.
There are still bricks to be laid, trucks to be driven, roads to be maintained, farms to be worked and so on, we simply don't need literally everyone to have a degree.
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Yes, and the trade education facility TAFE has been decimated by cuts over a long period.
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Very interesting in view of Epstein's "suicide" ..........
https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000158-26b6-dda3-afd8-b6fe46f40000
https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000158-26b6-dda3-afd8-b6fe46f40000
