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pixel said:
Why is it the Kiwis have all the luck? :p:
Surely, it must be time for us to get such a lucky break! :eek:
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You think it's good because???

Keys was highly regarded...I guess he's not socialist enough for you pixel???
 
Must be the new 'tolerance' the left keep talking about -- bombing, killing and shooting.

Don't they know how to use words?
 
Tink said:
Must be the new 'tolerance' the left keep talking about -- bombing, killing and shooting.

Don't they know how to use words?
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Use of the word "Left" in this context is absurd. Whoever did this was a looney, the act does not require or imply a political motive.
 
Tisme said:
Apparently the ACL is a political machine that gets constant threats because it mixes good stuff in with the antagonistic stuff in an attempt to push a Catholic line on things like women's rights to abortion, etc.
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Oh yeah they are a political lobby group all right, just like the LGBxyz's .

I just heard on the news that police had interviewed a seriously burnt man who drove the van and were satisfied that "there were no political, religious or ideological motives" to the incident.

So what the f he was doing, who knows.
 
SirRumpole said:
Oh yeah they are a political lobby group all right, just like the LGBxyz's .

I just heard on the news that police had interviewed a seriously burnt man who drove the van and were satisfied that "there were no political, religious or ideological motives" to the incident.

So what the f he was doing, who knows.
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So you mean it wasn't the left bombing shooting and killing? :confused:
 
Tisme said:
Apparently the ACL is a political machine that gets constant threats because it mixes good stuff in with the antagonistic stuff in an attempt to push a Catholic line on things like women's rights to abortion, etc.
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And?

You make excuses for a place being bombed?
 
Tink said:
And?

You make excuses for a place being bombed?
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Not at all Tink. My first reaction was whom ever it was deserved to forfeit his/her life if the act was to take or maim another's.

The news of it not being what we would all assume to be case was fairly quick on the initial reporting. The group itself offered up the constant threats scenario, therefore knowing their actions and propaganda was a flame for nutter moths. I assume they have taken steps to abate the risk to themselves and staff.
 
McLovin said:
So you mean it wasn't the left bombing shooting and killing? :confused:
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I assume you are tongue in cheeking with that remark ?
:D
I just object to the broad perjorative "Left" as being responsible in the minds of some for everything evil in the world. When a Muslim bombs something the "Left" is responsible. The "Left" is also responsible for our massive deficit that has tripled under the "Right".


Now I consider myself to be slightly "Left" of centre economically, in that I believe in government control over essential services and big infrastructure, but I'm also a social conservative that believes that the traditional family
; mother , father and their biological children is the best family unit, so I'm not likely to go round firebombing Lyle Shelton.

The idea that everyone who may vote Labor is a greenie, LGBxyz , anti capitalist terrosist is b.s. I'm just as afraid of these people as I am of big business shills like Turnbull and co who try a paint a camoflage brush over corporate bastardry.
 
SirRumpole said:
I assume you are tongue in cheeking with that remark ?
:D
I just object to the broad perjorative "Left" as being responsible in the minds of some for everything evil in the world. When a Muslim bombs something the "Left" is responsible. The "Left" is also responsible for our massive deficit that has tripled under the "Right".


Now I consider myself to be slightly "Left" of centre economically, in that I believe in government control over essential services and big infrastructure, but I'm also a social conservative that believes that the traditional family
; mother , father and their biological children is the best family unit, so I'm not likely to go round firebombing Lyle Shelton.

The idea that everyone who may vote Labor is a greenie, LGBxyz , anti capitalist terrosist is b.s. I'm just as afraid of these people as I am of big business shills like Turnbull and co who try a paint a camoflage brush over corporate bastardry.
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Now you're talkng, Sir.
I could've written that - every word of it.
With regard to LGBetc, I probably might have added that I don't mind rainbow people, as long as they don't make "it" compulsory. In most cases, the traditional "core" family works best, provided parents take parenting seriously. But plenty of single parents do so as well, so I'm prepared to move with the flow. I see the public conflict between the
two sides more as a chicken-and-egg problem: If the Traditionalists would lay off and stop demonising minorities, the minorities wouldn't need to be so vocal and "in your face". And vice versa.
Bullying, Child and Partner abuse are the true scourge that needs to be stomped out, regardless whether the abusers are AC, DC, religious of any persuasion. As long as that is a given, it's nobody else's business how two (or three, four, seventeen...) mature persons decide to conduct their social life. All the Mrs Grundys and Messrs Bernardis out there: Go fly a kite!
 
pixel said:
Now you're talkng, Sir.
I could've written that - every word of it.
With regard to LGBetc, I probably might have added that I don't mind rainbow people, as long as they don't make "it" compulsory. In most cases, the traditional "core" family works best, provided parents take parenting seriously. But plenty of single parents do so as well, so I'm prepared to move with the flow. I see the public conflict between the
two sides more as a chicken-and-egg problem: If the Traditionalists would lay off and stop demonising minorities, the minorities wouldn't need to be so vocal and "in your face". And vice versa.
Bullying, Child and Partner abuse are the true scourge that needs to be stomped out, regardless whether the abusers are AC, DC, religious of any persuasion. As long as that is a given, it's nobody else's business how two (or three, four, seventeen...) mature persons decide to conduct their social life. All the Mrs Grundys and Messrs Bernardis out there: Go fly a kite!
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I also agree with you pixel with the priviso that we are talking about consenting adults.

I really can't come at intentional artificial procedures to produce children denying that child the knowledge of one of their biological parents. Anthony Albanese's story about his search for his father shows how strong that bond is and to force that search on people is a violation of their rights imo.

I acknowledge that children raised in loving single parent/ gay parent families can succeed all else being equal, I just don't think it's the ideal. But we don't live in a perfect world do we ?
 
Sheeeit, it must be the Christmas spirit, agreeing with Pixel and, dammit, ever so nearly agreeing with Horace.

But Ffs McLovin, there IS left and right, but also a full spectrum between the two.
 
SirRumpole said:
I acknowledge that children raised in loving single parent/ gay parent families can succeed all else being equal, I just don't think it's the ideal. But we don't live in a perfect world do we ?
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I know one gay couple (female) who do have children, two of them ages 6 and 4. So far, so good it seems although the kids do have contact with their father on a regular basis (no it's not me for the record :))

Obviously I don't know all the details but from what she (the mother) has told me she's only had one real hassle and that was the reaction from another parent at the school the 6 year old goes to. Long story short, other child wasn't allowed to attend a birthday party and the parents being gay was the reason. Other than that one incident, no apparent impacts on the children thus far. Plenty of other children attended the party.

I can see some non-ideal aspects certainly but they are more related to how society views it across the spectrum than to any real practical issues as such. Take that aspect out and the practical aspects aren't overly great.

For the record, I say that as someone who has never met his own father. Not ideal but by no means the worst that could have happened in life thus far. :2twocents
 
wayneL said:
But Ffs McLovin, there IS left and right, but also a full spectrum between the two.
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Of course there is, but they're not two homogenous, discrete entities. It's nuanced like I said with a big overlap. I'm fairly certain that "the left" (why is the definite article even used?) do not condone crashing vans laden with gas tanks into the offices of those with whom they disagree with.
 
pixel said:
If the Traditionalists would lay off and stop demonising minorities, the minorities wouldn't need to be so vocal and "in your face". And vice versa.
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Very strongly agreed there.

Once attacked most will seek to defend themselves. What ought to be simply a difference of opinion ends up as a virtual war expending vast effort to achieve nothing.

I've seen that basic scenario play out in quite a few situations over the years and it's pointless really.

[Bullying, Child and Partner abuse are the true scourge that needs to be stomped out
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Yep.

Bullying in particular is far more entrenched in society than most seem willing to accept. Put someone in a position of power and many will abuse it. Sadly, the workings of society (business, government, many things) are such that doing so very often is the quickest way to the top if that's your aim.:2twocents
 

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