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Tisme said:
The LNP just handed the likes of Lend Lease and Brookfield Multiplex an open cheque. Those big organisations have a special understanding and strong EBAs in place with the unions. They now have closed shop status and protected sites.
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Do you have a link to your post regarding this open cheque you posted?........I cannot find anything to back it up.
 
McLovin said:
You are the gift that keeps on giving. I think this should have been put in the fake news thread though...

Australian grovelling to get Clinton Foundation in on CFMEU Barangaroo development

You can't make this **** up.
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So why do you maintain it is all fake news?

Obviously the truth hurts unless of course you can prove it is false.
 
noco said:
Do you have a link to your post regarding this open cheque you posted?........I cannot find anything to back it up.
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Trip trap, trip trap ........ I think you should stay under your bridge and let those with actual on the ground knowledge talk the talk and walk the walk...trip trap, trip trap
 
noco said:
What do you think of this deal by the Victorian Government?


State-funded infrastructure *projects could be 5 to 15 per cent more expensive, costing taxpayers in Victoria and Queensland hundreds of millions of dollars, because of spiralling union-backed wage rises.

The Victorian government will pay workers on the metro trains project an allowance of $70 a week in return for industrial peace, the Herald Sun reports today. Builders in Victoria have commissioned *research that warns some projects may be shelved as a result of the extra costs.

The findings of the Deloitte *research come as the Construction Forestry Mining and Energy Union and about 20 big builders struck a deal for a 15 per cent wage rise over three years that employers fear will soon become the *industry norm for large projects.

Deloitte warned taxes will have to rise, or spending in other areas slashed, to pay for the extra costs as the rest of the population bears the burden of outsized remuneration in the construction sector with building workers’ earnings now outstripping all but doctors.

Union deals are leading to *carpenters earning $163,000 and labourers $152,000 ”” twice the award wage ”” in Victoria and *between $145,000 and $161,000 in Queensland, adding hundreds of millions to construction costs.Queensland construction workers are expected to see an *annual 5 per cent wage growth, but the Liberal National Party claims it could build *infrastructure for 5-15 per cent less.

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“Agreements for higher wage levels involve real trade-offs for taxpayer funds,’’ the research warns, saying wage growth could also force the shelving of some public and private projects. “And, if the projects do proceed, then taxes would need to be higher (or other public spending reduced) meaning the broader public was partly funding the higher wages in the construction sector.’’

Brookfield Multiplex, L.U. *Simons, Hickory, Built Constructions, and Probuild are among those who have signed the CFMEU enterprise bargaining agreement.

Brookfield Multiplex is building the $125 million Bunjil Place development in Melbourne’s southeast and the Department of Justice’s $180m Hopkins Correction Centre at Ararat in western Victoria, which was funded by a public-private partnership. Built Constructions is developing the Melbourne Park Administration and Media building for Major Projects Victoria

Labor leader Bill Shorten sidestepped questions on the issue, instead raising bankers’ salaries in his response.

“What we see in the remuneration system ... in banking is *another reason to have a royal commission into the banking sector and financial services industry,’’ he said. “We see excessive remuneration ... at the same time as we see literally tens of *thousands of consumers being ripped off.”

Builders in Queensland have also expressed concerns about the effect of spiralling wages in the unionised building sector.

“Queensland has more strikes in the construction industry than the rest of the country ”” the situation is getting out of control,” Master Builders director of construction policy Corlia Roos said.

“It is hurting our state’s economy and reducing our attractiveness for vital investment in infrastructure, tourism and other business opportunities.”

Queensland Industrial Relations Minister Grace Grace will not take steps to limit the risk of cost blowouts, with a spokesman saying wages negotiations in the private sector were a matter for the industrial umpire.

The Australian has obtained agreements arranged by the CFMEU in NSW demanding a raft of extra payments and perks. A greenfields agreement with Lend Lease covering 2012 to 2014, forced the employer ”” and subcontractors ”” to give staff “industrial relations training leave”. It also provided for “non-*cancellable ‘WorkCover Top-Up” and income protection insurance as “an additional lump sum” over payments offered under the NSW statutory scheme.

The workplace deals also *demanded Lend Lease make contributions to non-statutory retirement and a union “drug and alcohol” charity, with paid time off to attend union meetings.

Agreements struck between Lend Lease and the CFMEU over the $6 billion Barangaroo project in Sydney included a demand that $77 per employee was paid into a union-linked redundancy trust.

A source familiar with the NSW deals said the pattern agreements were “evidence how extra cost get built into agreements, and the power of the unions to *demand these sorts of benefits”. “This is how you get absurd wages and conditions on construction projects,’’ the source said.

The EBA deal struck this week between the CFMEU and employers including Brookfield Multiplex, Probuild, and L.U. Simons will see Victorian construction workers boost their wages even further with a 5 per cent wage rise in each of the next three years and 3 per cent the year after.

CFMEU state secretary John Setka, speaking at a meeting to endorse the deal, likened the prospect of “productivity” clauses in the EBA being actually triggered as akin to winning the lottery. The union is now expected to try to foist the EBA as a pattern agreement on the rest of the unionised construction sector in Victoria.

The Master Builders Association of Victoria, which commissioned the research, said “there are no winners associated with this proposed agreement, with the construction sector and Victorian taxpayers, having to foot the enormous bill”. The research finds that the level of growth in construction wages above the rest of the economy would add $621m to the state’s infrastructure spending over four years. In private sector construction the cost is even higher amounting to $2.2bn over four years across the projected $75bn worth of forecast construction activity.
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I can't talk about Victoria and made up yarns with any authority.

The poor piece of Newscorp journalism we have come to expect is a classic example of some one with NFI trying to craft a conspiracy for sensationalism and fame . If you want to know what the EBA pays on construction sites you should get a copy of each relevant agreement.

Chippies don't earn ~$160k for base hours, unless they are a seasoned site foreman, which is one of those strange situations of the lowest rung in the technical trades directing the highest rungs.

Sparks for instance are on about $95/hour with all allowances included. General rates for non EBA is about $75 - $85/hour. Domestic electrical contractors with no desire to cooperate with each other cut their throats at $45/hour and live poor as a result, preferring the thrill of being their own boss while their family does it tough.

Now Noco, by troll friend, read the following very carefully and do some easy research to verify the voracity of what I'm saying:

1)My post about EBAs and a couple of the major building companies goes to indicate that the new "get tough" building code legislation is a shadow of its former self. It is just fluff that had to be had to satisfy the LNPs election promise. People like yourself will swallow the LNPs success story without knowing the truth.

2) Now the legislation enshrines EBA and construction industry codes of practice, those organisations who already have the agreements and conciliation in place don't have to do anything and have a distinct advantage of offering clients stability of work sites. Contrast this with builders who be dragged, kicking and screaming into having to consider their workforce and sub contractors.

3) Sub contractors are now seeing a glimmer of hope of payment, instead of being held to ransom by those lower rung trades I mentioned before. Security of payment and banked guarantees combined with things like tripartite agreements gives hope that the feudal system that permeates the construction industry might just get the bullet it deserved hundreds of years ago.


Amen
 
News flash, Turnbull is on telly right now and conceded Lend Lease et al are indeed quarantined from the legislation for at least 2 years..... and (my prediction) by then the Labor govt will kill it.
 
Tisme said:



I can't talk about Victoria and made up yarns with any authority.

The poor piece of Newscorp journalism we have come to expect is a classic example of some one with NFI trying to craft a conspiracy for sensationalism and fame . If you want to know what the EBA pays on construction sites you should get a copy of each relevant agreement.

Chippies don't earn ~$160k for base hours, unless they are a seasoned site foreman, which is one of those strange situations of the lowest rung in the technical trades directing the highest rungs.

Sparks for instance are on about $95/hour with all allowances included. General rates for non EBA is about $75 - $85/hour. Domestic electrical contractors with no desire to cooperate with each other cut their throats at $45/hour and live poor as a result, preferring the thrill of being their own boss while their family does it tough.

Now Noco, by troll friend, read the following very carefully and do some easy research to verify the voracity of what I'm saying:

1)My post about EBAs and a couple of the major building companies goes to indicate that the new "get tough" building code legislation is a shadow of its former self. It is just fluff that had to be had to satisfy the LNPs election promise. People like yourself will swallow the LNPs success story without knowing the truth.

2) Now the legislation enshrines EBA and construction industry codes of practice, those organisations who already have the agreements and conciliation in place don't have to do anything and have a distinct advantage of offering clients stability of work sites. Contrast this with builders who be dragged, kicking and screaming into having to consider their workforce and sub contractors.

3) Sub contractors are now seeing a glimmer of hope of payment, instead of being held to ransom by those lower rung trades I mentioned before. Security of payment and banked guarantees combined with things like tripartite agreements gives hope that the feudal system that permeates the construction industry might just get the bullet it deserved hundreds of years ago.


Amen
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Yes Tisme ...I am aware of that......That is old hat...You need to put a new dress.
 
Tisme said:
News flash, Turnbull is on telly right now and conceded Lend Lease et al are indeed quarantined from the legislation for at least 2 years..... and (my prediction) by then the Labor govt will kill it.
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Have you got a clip on that?
 
Tisme said:
Trip trap, trip trap ........ I think you should stay under your bridge and let those with actual on the ground knowledge talk the talk and walk the walk...trip trap, trip trap
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The usual Fabian ridicule reply to silence your opponent and ain't gonna work sonny.
 
Tisme said:
News flash, Turnbull is on telly right now and conceded Lend Lease et al are indeed quarantined from the legislation for at least 2 years..... and (my prediction) by then the Labor govt will kill it.
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I guess some pigs are more equal than others.

How do they managed to be "quarantined" like that without upsetting somebody.
 
Tisme said:
News flash, Turnbull is on telly right now and conceded Lend Lease et al are indeed quarantined from the legislation for at least 2 years..... and (my prediction) by then the Labor govt will kill it.
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So you don't see Turnbull surviving the next election ?

:)
 
noco said:
I have been through 10 pages of ABC news twice over the past 24 hours and I don't seem to have noted anything about what you posted about Malcolm Turnbull.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/justin/?page=1
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I'm starting to think you are being lazy with your searches. Literally took 30 seconds: (you should be happy with Malcolm's exceedingly clever opening statement about the ALP ownership ... really clever mind has Malcolm)

Another polly afflicted with the inability to pronounce "negotiate":rolleyes:

http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2016/s4584986.htm
 
Tisme said:
I'm starting to think you are being lazy with your searches. Literally took 30 seconds: (you should be happy with Malcolm's exceedingly clever opening statement about the ALP ownership ... really clever mind has Malcolm)

Another polly afflicted with the inability to pronounce "negotiate":rolleyes:

http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2016/s4584986.htm
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Turnbull is on telly right now and conceded Lend Lease et al are indeed quarantined from the legislation for at least 2 years..... and (my prediction) by then the Labor govt will kill



Tisme, I have just listened from beginning to end the 29.58 minutes of that ABC link.

Michael Brissenden interviewed Malcolm Turnbull and they talked about about the ABCC, the back packer tax, Climate Change, terrorism laws and the more news on OPEC oil, Donald Trump and the expected heat wave.

I did not hear anything on Lend Lease....Did I miss something or did you fabricate the story?...I will listen again and if it was something I missed I will apologize.
 
noco said:
Turnbull is on telly right now and conceded Lend Lease et al are indeed quarantined from the legislation for at least 2 years..... and (my prediction) by then the Labor govt will kill



Tisme, I have just listened from beginning to end the 29.58 minutes of that ABC link.

Michael Brissenden interviewed Malcolm Turnbull and they talked about about the ABCC, the back packer tax, Climate Change, terrorism laws and the more news on OPEC oil, Donald Trump and the expected heat wave.

I did not hear anything on Lend Lease....Did I miss something or did you fabricate the story?...I will listen again and if it was something I missed I will apologize.
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Tisme, I did check it out a second time and there was one brief mention of Lend Lease but nothing about an open cheque book except there would be a time lapse of 9 months for things to fall into place but DAREEN HINCH had it amended to 24 months.....It was like if you blinked, you missed it......So I still do not know what you are referring to.
 
noco said:
Tisme, I did check it out a second time and there was one brief mention of Lend Lease but nothing about an open cheque book except there would be a time lapse of 9 months for things to fall into place but DAREEN HINCH had it amended to 24 months.....It was like if you blinked, you missed it......So I still do not know what you are referring to.
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not surprised.
 

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