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rumpole said:
The ocean is a big place. It could take days to find them if they don't know exactly where they went down.
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Agree again, but this only flew over the Gulf of Siam and then the gap between Vietnam and Hainan, about the size of Hainan, they've had nearly 9 hours of search time easy....:confused:

Recall the South American outbound Air France A330 a few years ago? Now that was a big ocean!

How long did it take to find the signs of wreckage?
 
CanOz said:
Agree again, but this only flew over the Gulf of Siam and then the gap between Vietnam and Hainan, about the size of Hainan, they've had nearly 9 hours of search time easy....:confused:
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Yeah no way the plane has gone down more than 150k off the coast, not serious ocean and there are fishing boats and coastal traders all over that area...12 hours of day light gone and no one saw nothing?
 
CanOz said:
Agree, this is strange...whatever happened seems catastrophic.
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Most "conventional" causes of a crash seem unlikely when thinking about this.

Out of fuel - unlikely as they'd have had plenty of time to know that they didn't have enough fuel and either land somewhere or at least inform someone of the situation. Even if they didn't realise until the engines actually stopped, they'd still have had communications until they hit the water / ground and shouldn't have simply "disappeared".

Captain has a heart attack etc - the First Officer had quite a bit of flying experience and could most likely have landed the plane at an airport. At the very least, the automated systems could have kept if flying whilst he sought advice from someone on the ground in regard to anything he was unsure of or needed help with. It wouldn't have simply disappeared.

All the engines stopped working - they should still have had power to the communications systems and could have issued a "mayday" call. And the plane wouldn't have simply disappeared without first losing altitude.

So my thoughts are that something drastic has indeed happened to this plane.

Catastrophic electrical failure / fire causing loss of power to all systems and no ability to communicate or control the plane.

Catastrophic structural failure - plane snapped in half, exploded, blown up deliberately (bomb on board) or something like that. In that case there might not be anything resembling a plane to actually find. If it basically "blew up" in the air then there's just going to be lot of small bits scattered over a very wide area and nothing resembling a plane to actually find.

Plane was hijacked by someone who knew how to disable communications. In that case, and with a lot of fuel on board, they could have flown it (assuming they knew how to at least control it to some extent) a very long distance before either crashing somewhere once the fuel ran out, ditching it into the water or possibly even landing on flat land in the middle of nowhere. In that case the plane or wreckage could be nowhere near where it was last known to be, it could be a very long way away.

I should add that I intend no disrespect to those who have presumably lost their lives in speculating as to what's happened. But I'm thinking that the assumption that there's all, or at least most of, an intact plane to be found in the ocean somewhere near where it was last known to be might not be correct in view of everything that has been reported thus far.:2twocents
 
Smurf1976]Captain has a heart attack etc - the First Officer had quite a bit of flying experience and could most likely have landed the plane at an airport. At the very least said:
I should add that I intend no disrespect to those who have presumably lost their lives in speculating as to what's happened. But I'm thinking that the assumption that there's all, or at least most of, an intact plane to be found in the ocean somewhere near where it was last known to be might not be correct in view of everything that has been reported thus far.:2twocents
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I think you're correct. A bomb or explosive decompression seem like they'd be at the top of the list of causes.
 
McLovin said:
A first officer can absolutely land a plane. They both have to pass the same type rating. The often used method is that the first officer performs the landings and takeoffs and the captain "supervises".



I think you're correct. A bomb or explosive decompression seem like they'd be at the top of the list of causes.
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Yes, apparently there was no distress call.
 
Australians among 239 people on board missing Malaysia Airlines flight to Beijing


As Malaysian Airlines released more information about passengers on board the plane, it emerged two passengers were traveling on stolen passports.

Luigi Maraldi, 27, was listed as the sole Italian national aboard the missing flight, but according to his father, was not on the plane.

“Luigi called us early this morning to reassure us he was fine, but we didn’t know about the accident,” Walter Maraldi told NBC News. “Thank God he heard about it before us.”

The name of an Austrian citizen, Christian Kozel, 30, also appeared on the passenger manifest, but the European nation’s foreign ministry stated that the man was safe back home, and that his passport had been stolen.

Officials from Italy and Austria confirmed that the travel documents of both men were reported stolen in Thailand.
As the news emerged, aviation expert Chris Yates told Sky News the plane would not be carrying enough fuel to still be in the air and would “definitely have crashed”.

While the cause of the crash is unknown terrorism has not been ruled out.

“We simply don’t know the circumstances behind what caused that crash at the moment. There will be two areas for the investigation: the maintenance of the aircraft and also possible terrorism.”
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http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/australians-among-239-people-on-board-missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-to-beijing/story-fnizu68q-1226848860442
 
sptrawler said:
If that was found to be the case, there would be pne hell of an outcry. :eek:
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Especially as there are Americans aboard.

Seriously though, after watching "Air Crash Investigation" a number of times, there are any number of possibilities of things that could have gone wrong, from a bomb to structural failure, a window blowing out causing decompression, some sort of pilot error, who knows.

Wait and see.
 
McLovin said:
I think you're correct. A bomb or explosive decompression seem like they'd be at the top of the list of causes.
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+1.

As Malaysian Airlines released more information about passengers on board the plane, it emerged two passengers were traveling on stolen passports.
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Terrorism?
 
The plot thickens..Stolen passports.

Authorities searching for a missing Malaysia Airlines jet are investigating the possibility of foul play after an Italian and an Austrian thought to have been on board were revealed to have had their passports stolen...The stolen Austrian passport belonged to a 30-year-old man who reported the theft in 2012 in Phuket, Thailand, the foreign ministry said. He was contacted and found to be "well," said Martin Weiss, a ministry spokesman. Luigi Maraldi, an Italian national also shown on the manifest, didn't travel on the plane, Foreign Ministry spokesman Aldo Amati said.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/missing...orism-fears-20140309-hvgpg.html#ixzz2vQn5bzZV
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It's a bit disgusting having all those cameras shoved in the faces of people who have just learnt their loved one has died.
 
rumpole said:
Although if it was terrorism, someone has usually taken responsibility before now.
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Perhaps only those two people were in on it (unlikely), or maybe a small group? maybe they had bigger plans and failed? You dont know. They still havent found anything solid and its been more than 34 hours IIRC. Sad sad stuff
 
It's looking more and more like something nefarious happened.

Malcolm Moore, China correspondent for the Daily Telegraph, is confirming that the men holding the stolen passports of Austrian Christian Kozel and Italian Luigi Maraldi purchased their tickets together. They also both had tickets to Amsterdam aboard the Dutch carrier KLM, and were scheduled to leave Beijing at 11:55am local time on Saturday.
 
bellenuit said:
It's looking more and more like something nefarious happened.

Malcolm Moore, China correspondent for the Daily Telegraph, is confirming that the men holding the stolen passports of Austrian Christian Kozel and Italian Luigi Maraldi purchased their tickets together. They also both had tickets to Amsterdam aboard the Dutch carrier KLM, and were scheduled to leave Beijing at 11:55am local time on Saturday.
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So if they were suicide bombers, they bought tickets for a flight they would never catch ? OR they accidentally detonated the bomb.

With all the increased security these days, one wonders how they got a bomb on board in the first place.

or perhaps they took over the cockpit and flew into the ocean. Time will hopefully tell all.
 

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