Are you a winner or a loser - attitudes

[Wysiwyg]

Re: Which two indicators would you use?

Common comment about Bear for someone that doesn't watch the program, but if you see the cliffs he scales without a rope or being belayed ... 99% of the stuff he does is real ... unless you want to see all on a hand-held camera ... but I guess you need both hands doing what he does.

Easy cop, as are your current statements ... not sure why you are barking so much ... you are making noise, but why ?

I stand firmly by what I originally posted. Why are you barking?

 

[weird]

Re: Which two indicators would you use?

I stand firmly by what I originally posted. Why are you barking?

Not barking, just putting logical statements forward without emotion ... not howling at the moon.

Actually I will ask one question, half a glass of water, half full or half empty ? Both is a cop out, choose one.

 

[nunthewiser]

Re: Which two indicators would you use?

Yes that is it. You make YOUR choice in direct relation to what you perceive. Since "other people" are an integral part of everyones (except the brethren of which thy **** don't stink ) life, then how can YOUR decisions not be determined by others.

Example: If you sell your stock is it because of

a) random decision
b) others were selling
c) others were buying

d) hit target in a range YOU decided on when YOU took the trade
e) needed cash to pay for a lapdance

many reasons NOT controlled by anyone other than oneself .. Sorry Wysiwyg but it seems we have different ideas on what controls ones direction and destiny.

 

[Wysiwyg]

Re: Which two indicators would you use?

I agree that they may put a finger on the pulse of the market, but disagree with your other comments that they can not make their decision individually.

But I did not type that.

If you think you succeed or fail on your own then so be it.

 

[weird]

Re: Which two indicators would you use?

But I did not type that.

If you think you succeed or fail on your own then so be it.

I didn't think your posts were so cryptic ... and I didn't think you spoke in parables ... what was your exact point because apparently I mis-interrupted it ?

I understand when I buy a stock that there is a seller, and that the entire market is full of buyers and sellers, and perhaps the only control I have in any trade is placing my stop (this last wisdom which I think is a gem, I did not see in your posts).

 

[Trembling Hand]

Re: Which two indicators would you use?

Sorry Wysiwyg but it seems we have different ideas on what controls ones direction and destiny.

And thus more likely to effectively work on said outcomes.

 

[Wysiwyg]

Re: Which two indicators would you use?

I understand when I buy a stock that there is a seller, and that the entire market is full of buyers and sellers, and perhaps the only control I have in any trade is placing my stop (this last wisdom which I think is a gem, I did not see in your posts).

Beautiful. You determine the stop and the market determines win or loss. Perfect.

My original post was in response to tech/a's post about success in business and finances ..

I'm no different to most here regardless of age.
I certainly was of the school ---"Result is equal to effort".
But when I look back on many life changing events particularly financial---results were and are very dis proportional to effort!

so open to discussion but the wrong thread subject and the de-railment crew should be here any moment.

 

[Wysiwyg]

Re: Which two indicators would you use?

Interesting. So now I take you're serious and not trolling, why do you say that someone else determines everything? Who determines what happens to that someone else?

Really skyQuake? Trolling? Afraid not!

"Who determines what happens to that someone else?"

Anyone and everyone determines what happens to that someone else. There are as many examples every second of the day as there are living people.

why do you say that someone else determines everything?

I didn't type that so get your facts straight before you shoot your finger off.

 

[skc]

Re: Which two indicators would you use?

Really skyQuake? Trolling? Afraid not!

"Who determines what happens to that someone else?"

Anyone and everyone determines what happens to that someone else. There are as many examples every second of the day as there are living people.

I didn't type that so get your facts straight before you shoot your finger off.

Are you aware of the different meanings between the words "determine" and "influence"?

 

[Wysiwyg]

Re: Which two indicators would you use?

Are you aware of the different meanings between the words "determine" and "influence"?

Yes I am aware of the definitions. You can substitute influence for determined if you wish.

The hedge fund closure was determined by ... significantly depreciated assets.

The hedge fund closure was influenced by ... significantly depreciated assets.

 

[skc]

Re: Which two indicators would you use?

Yes I am aware of the definitions. You can substitute influence for determined if you wish.

The hedge fund closure was determined by ... significantly depreciated assets.

The hedge fund closure was influenced by ... significantly depreciated assets.

The judge determined that the sentence shall be 10 years.
The judge influenced that the sentence shall be 10 years.

This restaurant serves Australian food with an Asian influence.
This restaurant serves Australian food with an Asian determination.

wysiwyg determined that "determine" and "influence" are mutually substitutable.
wysiwy influenced that "influence" and "determine" are mutually substitutable.

 

[Wysiwyg]

Re: Which two indicators would you use?

The judge determined that the sentence shall be 10 years.
The judge influenced that the sentence shall be 10 years.

This restaurant serves Australian food with an Asian influence.
This restaurant serves Australian food with an Asian determination.

wysiwyg determined that "determine" and "influence" are mutually substitutable.
wysiwy influenced that "influence" and "determine" are mutually substitutable.

Here you demonstrate context.

In every endeavour ...

Either consciously or unconsciously, other people determine our success or failure.

Here I repeat what I typed.

 

[Trembling Hand]

Re: Which two indicators would you use?

In every endeavour ...

Either consciously or unconsciously, other people determine our success or failure.

Am I missing some philosophical meaning here, something deeper than a bunched drunk scalper can figure out? some bigger pattern to live?

Looks like you`re on the bandwagon of "It is all your fault".So when an external DOES ACTUALLY CAUSE you just turn the blame inwards.

Absolutely, you have placed your trust in an external and they have fleeced you clean.SO, it is time to move on and be aware, or at least have some foresight, of the `snakes in the grass`.

Wily matey.....Do you think that anyone can be targeted to trade at a loss? For example.... by their stop losses being hit, share price languishing, a sell off after entry, negative posts/press etcetera? Or do you think that it is all random and an even playing field? :run:

I have no doubt stops are hunted but for the life of me can never understand why little `ol me.

The most blatant was when I moved my take profit stop away 3 times and it kept coming.After third move I stayed and market went over by one pip (got records to show) and dropped over 800 pips over weeks after that.I just had to be squeezed out and THAT my friends is what I have experienced.

That is interesting because i had another crack at forex and indices this week and the same happened as last time.One tick hits on my stops.
Even swings in my favour were short lived when tick returns to my break even or slightly better.

Nope, I don't think so, but there is a pattern that's for sure

 

[Wysiwyg]

Re: Which two indicators would you use?

Am I missing some philosophical meaning here, something deeper than a bunched drunk scalper can figure out? some bigger pattern to live?
Nope, I don't think so, but there is a pattern that's for sure

Ha. : Yes some of my FX experiences were inexplicable. Thanks for taking the time to find them out of three and half thousand posts.

 

[Trembling Hand]

Re: Which two indicators would you use?

Ha. : Yes some of my FX experiences were inexplicable. Thanks for taking the time to find them out of three and half thousand posts.

Actually Wysiwyg I have always found your post defeatist. That's in part was where my last Blog post come from, so I thank you for some nice reinforcing material. 3500 posts.... lots of bits and bytes of advice from someone who thinks that failure is an external force.

 

[tech/a]

Re: Which two indicators would you use?

Actually Wysiwyg I have always found your post defeatist. That's in part was where my last Blog post come from, so I thank you for some nice reinforcing material. 3500 posts.... lots of bits and bytes of advice from someone who thinks that failure is an external force.

It can be (an external force) larger companies go broke and innocent smaller ones fall with them.

But if you attempt to be largely in control of your implementation of decisions you can take advantage of the consequences of other outside forces which---while they determine the outcome-----YOU have chosen to be involved.

We make decisions to allow the outcome of things to be determined by others everyday.
Hopping on a plane we rely on pilots,service staff air traffic controllers.
BUT we make the decision!

My 2 indicators for Short term discretion.
Volume and range.
Actually lack of volume and range.

 

[Wysiwyg]

Re: Which two indicators would you use?

Actually Wysiwyg I have always found your post defeatist. That's in part was where my last Blog post come from, so I thank you for some nice reinforcing material. 3500 posts.... lots of bits and bytes of advice from someone who thinks that failure is an external force.

Okay on your case now. This post is from 15 months ago. I would have thought at the rate you send brokers bust you would have been able to retire by now.

No tech. these results are for 20 odd mins of trading on the open and same on the close starting with a friends measly capital of $800. Which will be grown into $10,000 or more within a couple of weeks.

So this was done but never repeated? My basic mathematics suggests an 8k account would blossom into 100k in a couple of weeks. But wait it doesn't work like that does it.

In the mean time I will be going about my biz as usual, turning over many times the amount of this and taking many times this P in the real market

ROFL. See you on the cover of Forbes before Christmas 2010.

 

[Trembling Hand]

Re: Which two indicators would you use?

Okay on your case now. This post is from 15 months ago. I would have thought at the rate you send brokers bust you would have been able to retire by now.

So this was done but never repeated? My basic mathematics suggests an 8k account would blossom into 100k in a couple of weeks. But wait it doesn't work like that does it.

ROFL. See you on the cover of Forbes before Christmas 2010.

Wysiwyg what has that got to do with you losing all the time & blaming outside factors? I win, I've shown enough snap shots of that from time to time to illustrate that I'm not all talk and advice without able to also WALK THE WALK, unlike many. I often think about making my daily results public but at the same time there is plenty of down side to that, privacy, peace etc without a great deal of upside for me. (other than to stroke my huge ego )

Secondly how do you know I don't repeat it? I think from memory there are 4 other statement on this forum beating that performance. I showed you only a few days ago that i trade enough volume that I get wholesale brokerage rates better than most prop traders. They only hand that out to Muppet's wouldn't they??

Would you like to put your money where your mouth is? What about if I could produce 10-20 statements of the same. Would you like to bet against me.

Or maybe bet against me repeating it in the future?

:bunny:

 

[MRC & Co]

Re: Which two indicators would you use?

How about somewhere in the middle. We captain our own ship and know where we want to go (sometimes), but know not the weather we'll encounter on the way, nor what friend or foes we might encounter.

Completely agree.

 

[Wysiwyg]

Re: Which two indicators would you use?

Secondly how do you know I don't repeat it? I think from memory there are 4 other statement on this forum beating that performance. I showed you only a few days ago that i trade enough volume that I get wholesale brokerage rates better than most prop traders. They only hand that out to Muppet's wouldn't they??

Yes I know you pound out more trades than anyone else on this forum. BIG DEAL.

Would you like to put your money where your mouth is? What about if I could produce 10-20 statements of the same. Would you like to bet against me.
Or maybe bet against me repeating it in the future?:bunny:

If you are sooooo hot what are you doing on a forum telling everyone how **** hot you are? Who do you think you're fooling? All the part timers trying to make a go of trading securities? I don't have to put my money where my mouth is. You're the best and you know it.