The penalty for abusing a dog should be the same as the penalty for abusing a young child imo.
So gorgeous. Thanks, bunyip.
Professor of Neuroeconomics Gregory Berns reveals dogs are people too.
http://www.news.com.au/technology/s...s-are-people-too/story-fnjwkt0b-1226734174107
Professor Berns said the findings showed that we need to stop thinking of dogs as property and begin thinking of them as humans.
Agree. It's only inadequate human beings that feel any need to abuse any animal.The penalty for abusing a dog should be the same as the penalty for abusing a young child imo.
but we probably shouldn't think of dogs as humans. They are not ... You can love a dog absolutely but still give it the structure its life needs.
They are pack animals ... Any group of dogs in the wild will quickly select the dominant dog as leader and this then allows for order and understanding in the pack.
and need not equal status but a defined leader and set boundaries
It's only inadequate human beings that feel any need to abuse any animal.
Much smarter in many cases.Agree, and thinking of them as humans is going a bit far I thought. But, as with humans, there is wide variation in dogs' intellectual abilities and there is a growing consensus that some dogs are as smart as 3yo children.
Yes, lots of stories like this. Goes to not just the dog's intelligence and ability to reason, but the bond between owner and dog. Many years ago I left my then Shepherd, still a very young dog, with a friend she knew well, this friend having just moved to a very different part of the city, a location Shara had never been to, and about 15kms as the crow flies or 20km via busy highways from my home. My friend let her out to do the toilet thing late that first night, and in a flash she had taken off. Calling and checking the immediate neighbourhood was fruitless. Eventually some time later he drove to my house and there was the dog, sitting patiently on the doorstep. How she knew how to find her way I've no idea.I remember hearing a report a while ago about a man, living alone and possibly in a hot climate, suffering a stroke and lying paralyzed on the floor and his dog kept him alive by getting a piece of clothing, soaking it in the toilet bowl (the only source of water it could access ... let's not dwell too long on the hygiene aspects) and laying the wet cloth on his mouth so he could suck the moisture from it.
Thanks for that, Chris. I didn't read to the end (one word to a line became irritating after a while) but that's a first class description of the character of a Border Collie, especially the fact that they are probably the most self contained dog, and they just do their thing, almost never interfere with other dogs.Then of course there is the famous Border Collie "Chaser".
Hi Chris45,... I distinctly got the sense that she was thinking, and not just reacting ...
Pleasure Burglar.A wonderful read, so glad you made the effort! I have quoted the piece which resonates with me and my son's Kelpie bitch! (Ohh!!? Am I allowed to say that aloud )
I'm not setting out to be controversial, but this is the very stuff that makes so many dogs unpleasant parts of society.My neighbours have a little Maltese Shih Tzu, a very handsome little devil when washed and trimmed, and I have minded him on a couple of occasions when they have gone away for weekends. He is a strong willed fellow and knows what he wants and will not be pushed around
Julia, I don't quite understand why you interpreted my comment like that. I'm not a dog expert, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but my belief is that a domesticated dog needs four basic things in life:I'm not setting out to be controversial, but this is the very stuff that makes so many dogs unpleasant parts of society.
Hello Chris,Julia, I don't quite understand why you interpreted my comment like that.
He is a strong willed fellow and knows what he wants and will not be pushed around
Yes, they are all foundations to dog ownership but don't go nearly all the way to a contented dog that's a polite member of society.I'm not a dog expert, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but my belief is that a domesticated dog needs four basic things in life:
(1) continuous access to clean drinking water,
(2) a regular daily feed of quality dog food,
(3) a daily 30 min. walk,
(4) a little bit of daily TLC.
That sounds quite dreadful. Dogs need companionship, almost above all. No wonder the poor creature attempts to be dominant when removed from that environment."Pat", as he's called is certainly not a "fussed over" dog. My neighbours allow him limited access inside their house, but I don't in mine. When my neighbours are both at work, he usually spends his lonely boring days behind a tall concrete wall, and I understand he gets fed only once a day and only occasional walks.
Terrific, Chris. Grooming is another bonding activity and really important to the dog.When I mind him, I give him a small amount of dried food "breakfast" in the late morning and a few minutes of TLC (stroking his head and brushing his coat).
Really sensible of you. Owners (or minders) who allow the dog to stop and mark territory or sniff every lamp post are completely reinforcing in the dog's mind that they, the dog, are in charge.A few hours later, we go for an afternoon walk down to the park. I keep him off the footpath and nature strip and walk him briskly on the road so that he doesn't stop and "scent mark" every letter box, light pole, etc in the street. When outside, I keep him on his extendable lead ... always!
This is genuinely difficult. This is probably not so much a question of wills but biological necessity.The first time I walked him to the park, I made the mistake of taking him through a nice grassy area. He started to squat and I immediately tried to take him across to the rough area but he dug his heels in and stubbornly refused to move so I had to lift him and carry him. Neither of us was very happy with that little episode but I think he got the message.
Sounds to me as though you're doing a fantastic job and making up to him for much of what he's missing out with his neglectful owners, Chris. It's just a shame that he's probably typical of many pet dogs obtained as appealing puppies but with minimal thought as to the reality of the responsibilities of dog ownership.When we get back, I warm a serving of "My Dog" in the microwave and feed him and then spend 5-10 minutes relaxing with him on an outside couch. I think he's a bit starved of TLC at home and if I stop stroking his head for an instant he immediately nuzzles his head under my hand and demands more.
He sleeps on an old rug on a folding chair on my balcony where he can see me and I can keep an eye on him.
Now if that's "fussing", I plead guilty and would be curious to know what I'm doing wrong.
You haven't got it wrong at all.However, I think I know the sort of "pampered pooch" you referred to ... and I totally agree with your sentiments ... but thankfully Pat is not one of them, well ... not when he's with me anyway, unless I've got it all horribly wrong.
Nothing I can say here. Sadly, such a situation is not uncommon.My family had a dog when I was a kid, but sadly we did get it horribly wrong and she was not well cared for, and I feel remorse for the way she was treated. She had some health issues which were not satisfactorily addressed and my father's idea of exercising her was to run a bit of fencing wire along the backyard fence and link her chain to it so she could run back and forth along the wire all day.
Hmmm ... interesting! What about if you are stroking a small "lap-dog", or even a larger dog, on your couch while watching TV? I imagine some owners would do that for the comfort it brings them, but I think sleeping with dogs is a bit weird.To let it into your bed or sofa is suggesting to the dog that it has equal rights with you. That just confuses the dog.
Pat barks a bit when my neighbours are away all day, a sort of, "Please let me out of here" kind of bark so, with their permission, I cut a small hole in our fence (usually boarded over) and am planning to rig up a couple of simple gates at the sides of my house and suggest to them that I open the hole and give Pat the opportunity to come over when he gets lonely because he seems to be happy to snooze on my balcony. I don't want to take him over but his barking does disturb me.Dogs need companionship, almost above all. No wonder the poor creature attempts to be dominant when removed from that environment.
You're welcome. I probably offered more than you needed or wanted - caring for dogs and training them is probably my greatest passion.Julia, thanks for your interesting and comprehensive reply.
A properly trained dog will walk at heel when told to, without a leash, happily trotting by your side, sitting when you stop without any command. It simply becomes instinctive to them. Training them to walk calmly at heel allows you always to issue a command should something untoward happen.However, I see some dogs being walked "at heel" in the street and they look so downtrodden I can't help but wonder if their training hasn't gone a bit too far.
Oh my goodness, I'll not be offering Lucy any such notions!I had to smile at your description of doorway behaviour. In human society, usually the last one through the door is the most powerful, which is probably the basis of the "ladies before gentlemen" protocol. Witness this classic door game between Clinton, Barak and Arafat:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGueY0ebon8
I wonder if dogs are aware of this?
I'd be less than truthful if I didn't admit to occasionally having done this myself when my puppies were small but regardless of the size of the dog, it's not recommended and I think I explained why. Probably OK with a submissive natured dog but with one that is naturally dominant, you're asking for trouble and confusing the dog.Hmmm ... interesting! What about if you are stroking a small "lap-dog", or even a larger dog, on your couch while watching TV?
That sounds like a kind and mutually helpful suggestion. Part of training a dog is teaching it not to bark when you go out.Pat barks a bit when my neighbours are away all day, a sort of, "Please let me out of here" kind of bark so, with their permission, I cut a small hole in our fence (usually boarded over) and am planning to rig up a couple of simple gates at the sides of my house and suggest to them that I open the hole and give Pat the opportunity to come over when he gets lonely because he seems to be happy to snooze on my balcony. I don't want to take him over but his barking does disturb me.
Yes, he's terrific. His essential trait is his confidence that he is the one in charge. That's 60% or more of training. He's firm and continually shows positive expectations of the dogs. As soon as a dog figures out you don't know what you're doing, you're pretty much sunk.I really like watching Cesar Milan work his magic with dogs. Probably something on Youtube somewhere. Used to be a TV series.
Certainly not and that incident with the woman must have been quite worrying for you! Fortunately that sort of thing is rare in my area but when I do see a big dog approaching like that I get a bit nervous and if a Rottweiler etc. ever attacked Pat I'm not sure what I'd do. Little yappy dogs are a nuisance but those big aggressive dogs are a major worry!Do you prefer seeing an owner being dragged on the end of the lead by the dog that is pulling hard in front of them, where they have no control other than their physical strength to keep holding onto the end of the lead?
Quite. So you can see the necessity of training them. The consequences of unmoderated dog behaviour can be awful. Some years ago a huge mastiff cross thing decided to attack my then dog. It came tearing out of an unfenced property. I was in between it and my dog and was upended on concrete. Multiple fractures and other injuries and unable to walk properly again for a year. So obviously it's something I feel strongly about.Certainly not and that incident with the woman must have been quite worrying for you! Fortunately that sort of thing is rare in my area but when I do see a big dog approaching like that I get a bit nervous and if a Rottweiler etc. ever attacked Pat I'm not sure what I'd do. Little yappy dogs are a nuisance but those big aggressive dogs are a major worry!
Yes, and such politeness applies with the majority of dog owners. Even in an offleash area if I see another dog coming toward us, I always put Lucy on the lead to ensure the approaching person doesn't have any reason to feel fearful and also to suggest they do the same. Nine times out of ten, they will also put their dog on the lead and no confrontation occurs. If that doesn't happen, the best you can do is shout loudly at the approaching aggressor "NO!! GO BACK!!" This works most of the time. Meantime your own dog should be sitting at heel as far out of the way as possible.Thankfully most dogs I see here are quite well behaved and their owners, carrying their obligatory plastic bags, even go to the trouble of deviating off the footpath onto the grass when passing. It's great to see!
And you were right to do so. There is no need to hit a dog. Simple repetitive starting with the dog at heel, then just stopping every time it starts to pull ahead quickly gets the message across that it's very boring stopping all the time. Using a Halti (a device made out of soft fabric in the fashion of a horse bridle allows you to control the puppy's head, preventing him from pulling ahead) is invaluable in the early stages of training a young dog.As a kid I was told that the way to get a dog to heel was to hit its snout with a rolled up newspaper whenever it tried to walk out in front. That technique probably came from some antique book of dog training and I think I tried it once with our poor little Wire Haired Terrier, "Vikki", and it didn't feel right so I ditched that idea.
That sounds fine, Chris. As long as you feel you have control and the dog is enjoying himself, that's all that matters.I don't know if he's had any obedience training recently but the last time I took Pat for a walk he trotted along happily just in front at my speed, so the lead was slack and he wasn't gasping for air with his check-chain collar, and when I wanted to change direction a slight pull on the lead and he responded immediately so I was happy with that. Maybe not as well trained as Lucy, but good enough for me considering he's not my dog.
Oh god, hopefully this has now been completely discredited. So cruel and teaches the poor dog nothing at all.My father's old school technique to toilet train a puppy was to rub its nose in it and then smack it. All stick and no carrot for the poor confused little creature ... (shudder) ...
Everywhere I have lived, there has been a specific unobtrusive area set aside for dog toilet, covered in small pebbles which are easily hosed off to keep fresh.Have you trained Lucy to use an in-ground toilet-like "dog loo"?
That sounds pretty impractical. You'd essentially have to be eternally hovering over the dog, plastic bag in hand.I see you can also get "potty patches" for dogs, good but not quite as convenient. Another neighbour was telling me, that as soon as her dog starts to squat, she immediately spreads a plastic bag under it to catch the deposit so she doesn't have to scrape it up afterwards. Sounds like a good idea but she'd have to be quick and I'd like to see her in action one day. Cleaning up after dogs is a major turn-off from dog ownership imo.
Hate to be a spoilsport but this is yet another example of an improperly looked after dog. No dog should be unrestrained in the front of a car. And the constant pawing of the driver is an attention seeking attempt to assert dominance.From news.com.au:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y83FbFKi7zg
THEY say dogs are man's best friend, and they must be right because this is the cutest example of dog lovin' ever.
This Labradoodle called Tom doesn't like travelling in cars. So much so, he can't get through one unless he holds his owner Adam's hand throughout.
Maybe our doggie friend Tom has security issues sitting in the front seat of a moving vehicle without a seatbelt. Who wouldn't? If Adam slams on the breaks Tom could go straight through the windshield.
Or maybe it's the fact that Adam is holding the camera phone with one hand and Tom's paw with his other hands, which leaves zero hands on the wheel for safe driving.
Whatever Tom's reasons, we think this Labradoodle is a pretty awesome travel companion, as long as Tom stops filming and starts driving.
That's good to know. I will remember that, thanks.If that doesn't happen, the best you can do is shout loudly at the approaching aggressor "NO!! GO BACK!!" This works most of the time.
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