Ageing population

[eskys]

So the vacuum cleaner, whether it works or not, still sucks. Fair enough.

I prefer to use the dry mop, Belli, on hard floors that is. No trouble that one, but on carpet it's a different story..........I don't like the robot moving around when I am working.........too distracting. In a household environment it may be different, but those I know don't use it either. They still vacuum and the robot sits idle a lot of the time they say

 

[divs4ever]

So the vacuum cleaner, whether it works or not, still sucks. Fair enough.

i have a bathroom exhaust fan that pairs , with that

it sucks as well ( in a bad way )

almost asked for it to be replaced again , but then remembered the four attempts ( five if you count the shower screen remedy ) to get that water proof and draining properly , and the tile floor just begging to be replaced again .....

and gave the insurer a tiny break after three years of cost blowouts ( instead of helping WES meet profit guidance )

 

[Smurf1976]

Just while we are on the subject of an ageing population has anyone looked at the best way to live one's life so that one does not end up :

• Disabled from a stroke in a Nursing Home being called "dear" or it's linguistic equivalent by one's carers.
• End up in a Nursing Home anyways being called ...
• Having to go in to one of those awful retirement villages full of mens shedders and busybodies.
• Developing some other godawful disease that makes one's life a misery before dying in pain or distress.

I'm no doctor but from my observation of the health of others and its decline in their latter years, an in particular the amount of pain and suffering involved, I have one simple piece of advice. Whatever you do in life

DO NOT SMOKE

It seems to bring a full decade of misery for those who do. Some might go quickly but many are in practice slowly crippled by it and live many years in misery and it ends up taking a full decade to finally take them. And if that scenario doesn't play out, it's a good way to end up with a stroke instead.

If you absolutely must set something on fire then stick to comparatively safe things like building rockets or melting steel in the backyard. Less chance of being hurt with those.

 

[sptrawler]

Agree completely @Smurf1976 , but these days I think it has been superceded, by don't do meths.
Those that do spend their productive years trying to pay for the habit and the remainder of their years pushing all their worldly possessions around in a shopping trolley.

 

[Dona Ferentes]

Trying to debunk some of the myths:
1. Ageing does not imply fewer workers
2. Ageing isn't related to economic growth
3. High immigration doesn't change the age structure much anyway.

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Population and ageing nonsense … again

Fearmongering about Australia’s ageing population has ramped up again recently. If you want a big Australia, then make your argument for it, but don’t pretend that the age structure of the population is the reason why.

www.firstlinks.com.au

 

[SirRumpole]

Japan is at risk of "not being able to function" as a result of a falling birthrate and ageing population.

Obviously there must be a balance between over population and under population and few countries seem to have found it.

Alarm sounded as Japan on the brink of 'not being able to function'

thenewdaily.com.au

 

[Dona Ferentes]

On the way out..

Charted: The World’s Aging Population from 1950 to 2100

This graphic visualizes the world’s aging population, showing data for every country and territory around the world.

www.visualcapitalist.com

 

[Value Collector]

Japan is at risk of "not being able to function" as a result of a falling birthrate and ageing population.

Obviously there must be a balance between over population and under population and few countries seem to have found it.

Alarm sounded as Japan on the brink of 'not being able to function'

thenewdaily.com.au

I think Japan needs to be more open to immigration.

 

[Dona Ferentes]

I think Japan needs to be more open to immigration.

Albania, also

 

[finicky]

I think Japan needs to be more open to immigration.

Japan has a beautiful, unique, subtle mono-culture distilled through the ages. They're o.k unless their shadow is unleashed in war. I guess someone woke would want Japan enriched with Africans and the worst elements of the Middle East. Oh, and Derek Chauvin apparently murdered an African-American criminal in broad daylight in front of a jeering mob with their iphones out - he's been destroyed, thrown to the mob in appeasement so they wouldn't rip the town apart.

 

[Value Collector]

Japan has a beautiful, unique, subtle mono-culture distilled through the ages.

Yeah, but that beautiful culture will still need to have enough young people to help change the nappies of the aging population.

But, yeah I guess some xenophobic racist types would rather see their economy and standard of living collapse than bring in fresh blood.

 

[Dona Ferentes]

there's a lot of information in these population pyramids

Alphas, Millenials, and Boomers: The Science of Population

Population pyramids allow us to picture the forces that shape generations.

www.psychologytoday.com

 

[divs4ever]

Yeah, but that beautiful culture will still need to have enough young people to help change the nappies of the aging population.

But, yeah I guess some xenophobic racist types would rather see their economy and standard of living collapse than bring in fresh blood.

Japan is trying to use robots to replace low-paid employees ( and AI to reduce the need for higher-paid workers )

 

[sptrawler]

Getting old in Japan isn't for sissies, but more and more are doing it.

Surviving Old Age Is Getting Harder in Japan

Seniors living in poverty or working to supplement their income are on the rise as Japan’s public pension system cracks under a super aging society.

thediplomat.com

From the article:
In Japan, seniors are at the top of the social hierarchy. It’s a tradition that has led to a national holiday dedicated to the elderly to honor their contributions to society. But at the same time, seniors are also preparing to work “forever,” re-entering the workforce, and taking up low paid jobs in order to survive.

Japan is aging faster than any other country in the world. The national pension system is under immense pressure to sustain an growing number of elderly while the number of people contributing to the system dwindles. As of 2020, the number of Japanese over 65 reached a record high of 36 million, or 29 percent of the total population of 125 million. This figure is twice as high as it was 25 years ago, and it’s expected to increase to 35 percent by 2040, according to the National Institute of Population and Social Security Research.

In a related development, in 2021 the number of people over 75 in need of “final stage” medical care increased by 720,000 to 20 million in total.

Japan’s poverty line survey conducted in 2019 determined that a minimum annual income of approximately $10,000 is needed to purchase daily essentials. However, seniors over 65 receive an annual basic pension of roughly $6,000 or $460 each month, which is not enough to cover daily expenses.

Women are disproportionately vulnerable to poverty in old age compared to their male counterparts. Japan boasts one of the highest life expectancies in the world, with women at 87 years and men at 81. The poverty rate for elderly women is expected to increase to 25 percent from 22 percent, but this figure jumps to 50 percent for divorced and unmarried women. In contrast, only 10 percent of men are predicted to fall into poverty.

The government is working to shift society toward “lifelong work” in an effort to tackle Japan’s severe labor shortage and have the elderly to foot more of their medical and nursing bills. The Fiscal System Council is considering raising the pensionable age to 68.

In principle the retirement age is 65 but the employment rate among Japanese seniors is the second highest in the world, behind only South Korea. It’s an unconventional conundrum, in which seniors are highly driven to work to supplement their meager pensions.

Japan’s White Paper on an Aging Society found very high eagerness to work, with 40 percent of seniors in favor of continuing to earn an income compared to 30 percent in the United States and 28 percent in Germany.
Currently one in four elderly, or approximately 9 million, undertake informal part-time work as cleaners, security guards, couriers, or drivers, mostly in wholesale or the retail sector.
This is in stark contrast to 18 percent and 10 percent of seniors employed in the United States and the United Kingdom, respectively.

 

[Value Collector]

Japan is trying to use robots to replace low-paid employees ( and AI to reduce the need for higher-paid workers )

Yeah, it might work, we will have to see, but there does seem to be a slowly growing interest to loosen residency rules.

 

[divs4ever]

Yeah, it might work, we will have to see, but there does seem to be a slowly growing interest to loosen residency rules.

well that would seem to be a sensible option if you want to grow a general economy but not relax it so much that it suffers an immigration flood ( like some others are experiencing )

one might assume it would be an Asian version of the old ' white Australia ' policy

but let's see what happens , maybe it will be a hybrid plan ( robots/AI and younger humans )

 

[finicky]

Japan for the Japanese. Got my hands ties because there is constricted speech in our free society.

 

[qldfrog]

Japan for the Japanese. Got my hands ties because there is constricted speech in our free society.

Indeed, it is great to go to a place where you can leave your doors unlocked, your wallet in a park and come back to pick it up and hour later..used to be same in Europe in a lot of villages. Until we were gifted by the pushed presence of extra continental natives.
They really help sorting the old age issue in France, with knives and iron bars mostly..but

 

[farmerge]

Getting old in Japan isn't for sissies, but more and more are doing it.

Surviving Old Age Is Getting Harder in Japan

Seniors living in poverty or working to supplement their income are on the rise as Japan’s public pension system cracks under a super aging society.

thediplomat.com

From the article:
In Japan, seniors are at the top of the social hierarchy. It’s a tradition that has led to a national holiday dedicated to the elderly to honor their contributions to society. But at the same time, seniors are also preparing to work “forever,” re-entering the workforce, and taking up low paid jobs in order to survive.

Japan is aging faster than any other country in the world. The national pension system is under immense pressure to sustain an growing number of elderly while the number of people contributing to the system dwindles. As of 2020, the number of Japanese over 65 reached a record high of 36 million, or 29 percent of the total population of 125 million. This figure is twice as high as it was 25 years ago, and it’s expected to increase to 35 percent by 2040, according to the National Institute of Population and Social Security Research.

In a related development, in 2021 the number of people over 75 in need of “final stage” medical care increased by 720,000 to 20 million in total.

Japan’s poverty line survey conducted in 2019 determined that a minimum annual income of approximately $10,000 is needed to purchase daily essentials. However, seniors over 65 receive an annual basic pension of roughly $6,000 or $460 each month, which is not enough to cover daily expenses.

Women are disproportionately vulnerable to poverty in old age compared to their male counterparts. Japan boasts one of the highest life expectancies in the world, with women at 87 years and men at 81. The poverty rate for elderly women is expected to increase to 25 percent from 22 percent, but this figure jumps to 50 percent for divorced and unmarried women. In contrast, only 10 percent of men are predicted to fall into poverty.

The government is working to shift society toward “lifelong work” in an effort to tackle Japan’s severe labor shortage and have the elderly to foot more of their medical and nursing bills. The Fiscal System Council is considering raising the pensionable age to 68.

In principle the retirement age is 65 but the employment rate among Japanese seniors is the second highest in the world, behind only South Korea. It’s an unconventional conundrum, in which seniors are highly driven to work to supplement their meager pensions.

Japan’s White Paper on an Aging Society found very high eagerness to work, with 40 percent of seniors in favor of continuing to earn an income compared to 30 percent in the United States and 28 percent in Germany.
Currently one in four elderly, or approximately 9 million, undertake informal part-time work as cleaners, security guards, couriers, or drivers, mostly in wholesale or the retail sector.
This is in stark contrast to 18 percent and 10 percent of seniors employed in the United States and the United Kingdom, respectively.

@sptrawler perhaps because of the Japanese work ethic that may be why they have longevity.

 

[divs4ever]

Japan for the Japanese. Got my hands ties because there is constricted speech in our free society.

well the Japanese did travel extensively through Asia in the 1930s/1940s there are some part-Japanese still in Greater Asia

might be an embarrassing compromise , but then how desperate are the Japanese