ABC is Political

[Julia]

Interesting discussion.

And you heard it on ... The ABC.

I wonder if the commercial channels ever do a searching public review of their own processes.

It wasn't just about their own processes. It was equally about Fairfax, the Murdoch papers also

As for that silly Murdoch woman who thinks the ABC is a rampant communist propagandist...

I don't understand why you feel it necessary to misrepresent what someone said. The reason I put up the link is because, for the most part, all four participants presented their views in fairly reasonable terms. I do not recall her saying that the ABC is a rampant communist propagandist at all, and I listened closely. She did, however, make some very reasonable points, one of which I mentioned earlier and which Knobby followed up.

Mark Scott sat next to Clive Palmer !! WOW, that makes Clive a Greeny !

My interpretation of such seating arrangements is that they are both absolutely self interested and egocentric and would manipulate any situation to their own best advantage.

Mr Palmer is whatever his audience de jour demands. If he wants to appeal to the Greens, he will happily trot out Al Gore. Just in the last week he has called the Chinese mongrels and bastards, quite possibly jeopardising our trade relations with China, yet today he has belatedly made a grovelling apology to the Chinese embassy.

Only the ultra gullible will be taken in by the many faces of Palmer.

 

[sptrawler]

It wasn't just about their own processes. It was equally about Fairfax, the Murdoch papers also


I don't understand why you feel it necessary to misrepresent what someone said. The reason I put up the link is because, for the most part, all four participants presented their views in fairly reasonable terms. I do not recall her saying that the ABC is a rampant communist propagandist at all, and I listened closely. She did, however, make some very reasonable points, one of which I mentioned earlier and which Knobby followed up.


My interpretation of such seating arrangements is that they are both absolutely self interested and egocentric and would manipulate any situation to their own best advantage.

Mr Palmer is whatever his audience de jour demands. If he wants to appeal to the Greens, he will happily trot out Al Gore. Just in the last week he has called the Chinese mongrels and bastards, quite possibly jeopardising our trade relations with China, yet today he has belatedly made a grovelling apology to the Chinese embassy.

Only the ultra gullible will be taken in by the many faces of Palmer.

Today Palmer, after many days of saying they will negotiate a position on the GP co payment, pulls the pin.

The man is a goose, everyone who works pays when they go to the doctor.

Australia, is going to find itself in the $hit much quicker than people think.

Just look at W.A's credit rating lol, they are the diamond in the crown.

 

[sptrawler]

Today Palmer, after many days of saying they will negotiate a position on the GP co payment, pulls the pin.

The man is a goose, everyone who works pays when they go to the doctor.

Australia, is going to find itself in the $hit much quicker than people think.

Just look at W.A's credit rating lol, they are the diamond in the crown.

Actually one has to wonder if Palmers, stalling and sending Australia into further fiscal disarray isn't playing into Chinas hands.

They will pick up more of our distressed companies, as our fiscal situation deteriorates.

Strap yourselves in everyone.IMO

 

[SirRumpole]

I don't understand why you feel it necessary to misrepresent what someone said.

She said the ABC deliberately ran a left wing agenda (ok not quite communist I just put that in for noco), but admitted that her paper deliberately ran a right wing agenda.

She made a silly connection by associating who Mark Scott decided to sit next to at a dinner as having some deeper political relationship. Rupert Murdoch or his lieutenants had dinner or met with Tony Abbott quite often before the last election, what do we make of that ?

My interpretation of such seating arrangements is that they are both absolutely self interested and egocentric and would manipulate any situation to their own best advantage.

That seems a pretty extreme projection of a simple seating arrangement. Palmer, despite his foolishness is an interesting and entertaining person to listen to. Given a choice I think most people would rather sit next to him at a party than say Cory Bernadi.

Only the ultra gullible will be taken in by the many faces of Palmer.

No doubt true, but Clive has a thread all to himself, this is about the ABC, or media in general if we want to widen the discussion.

 

[Ijustnewit]

The ABC has dig up another piece of mud on Tony Abbott this morning , running on their ABC news website as headline news.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-27/abbotts-office-denies-pm-misused-travel-entitlements/5699262

Oh boy they just don't give up.

 

[drsmith]

The ABC has dig up another piece of mud on Tony Abbott this morning , running on their ABC news website as headline news.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-27/abbotts-office-denies-pm-misused-travel-entitlements/5699262

Oh boy they just don't give up.

The source is either some over enthusiastic reporting from Fairfax or a white ant(s) in the party room.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...ott-bill-shorten/story-fn59niix-1227038465309

We'll have to wait to see how it plays out but these things are usually the latter. It will no doubt be front and centre at QT today.

Interesting contribution from Uncle Clive,

Crossbench MP Clive Palmer said the Prime Minister should have access to taxpayer-funded travel to wherever he chooses.

"He is the Prime Minister of this country, and if he thinks he needs to talk to people in Melbourne for any purpose, he should be entitled to do it," Mr Palmer said.

"He works for us, 100 per cent of his time, as Prime Minister."

 

[Ijustnewit]

The source is either some over enthusiastic reporting from Fairfax or a white ant(s) in the party room.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...ott-bill-shorten/story-fn59niix-1227038465309

We'll have to wait to see how it plays out but these things are usually the latter. It will no doubt be front and centre at QT today.

Interesting contribution from Uncle Clive,

Apparently he stopped off to visit a Cancer Clinic , The ABC is playing it up big time . The Headline story on the 12:00 pm TV News as well. They can do better , it was Cancer Centre not the Crown Casino for god's sake.
Would they have made such a big deal if it was to visit a renewable energy centre.

 

[SirRumpole]

Apparently he stopped off to visit a Cancer Clinic , The ABC is playing it up big time . The Headline story on the 12:00 pm TV News as well. They can do better , it was Cancer Centre not the Crown Casino for god's sake.
Would they have made such a big deal if it was to visit a renewable energy centre.

The ABC has been told that Prime Minister Tony Abbott yesterday told colleagues that he visited a Melbourne cancer clinic so he could charge taxpayers for the trip to the city.

On Monday Mr Abbott had travelled from Canberra to attend a private function in Melbourne.

The next morning he visited the Peter MacCallum Cancer Centre before flying back to Canberra but was late to a scheduled meeting of Liberal and Nationals MPs.

Coalition sources have told the ABC that in explaining the delay Mr Abbott said he scheduled the morning media event at the cancer clinic to ensure the travel costs could be claimed.

A statement from the Prime Minister's office confirmed Mr Abbott attended a private function on Monday night, but said all travel was undertaken within the parliamentary entitlements rules.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-27/abbotts-office-denies-pm-misused-travel-entitlements/5699262

So it seems an MP can go to as many "private functions" as they like, and claim TA for it as long as they have a token public appearance as well.

 

[Julia]

She said the ABC deliberately ran a left wing agenda (ok not quite communist I just put that in for noco), but admitted that her paper deliberately ran a right wing agenda.

What you actually said was

.... the ABC is a rampant communist propagandist...

which is nothing like her factual statement that, yes, Fairfax and the ABC largely prosecute a Left focus, just as The Australian eg leans to the right. And no one contradicted her. This is what was refreshing: instead of furiously denying any bias, all participants appeared to agree that of course it existed.

This is what I mean about misrepresenting what is said.
I put up the link because

1. I found the program interesting, well balanced, and always admire the even handed facilitation of Paul Barclay.

2. It was an example of (for the most part, ie some of John Harrison's remarks were less than moderate) how good political discussion can exist when intelligent people decline indulgence in petty point scoring in favour of genuine discussion.

3. A vague hope that it might inspire some similar discussion, with a bit of objectivity, on this forum.

Clearly I failed.
Might as well not bother trying, especially when there's also some personally directed gratuitous uncivility thrown in by a different individual.

No doubt true, but Clive has a thread all to himself, this is about the ABC, or media in general if we want to widen the discussion.

It was you who introduced Mr Palmer into this particular part of the discussion.

 

[SirRumpole]

Clearly I failed.
Might as well not bother trying, especially when there's also some personally directed gratuitous uncivility thrown in by a different individual.

I think it was a revealing interview, so your posting it was worthwhile even though it hasn't generated a great deal of discussion.

Yes, I did bring up Clive Palmer because he was mentioned in the interview, and I did not mention his views, only that it was said that Mark Scott decided to sit next to him. I thought it was petty of the Murdoch journalist to insinuate an insidious relationship between the two, but I suppose we can't expect junior journos to have the Insight of a Laurie Oakes, Paul Kelly or Tony Jones.

The ABC seems to be populated with a lot of young and seemingly naive journos these days, and although I cast no aspersions on their competence one gets the feeling that the more hard bitten scribes are either sitting behind a desk or have moved on to other organisations, leaving a cynicism vacuum on the frontline of the ABC. There appears to be few Paul Harveys, Peter Luck's, Gerald Stones, Andrew Ollies, or dare I say Mike Carltons coming up.

 

[IFocus]

Just look at W.A's credit rating lol, they are the diamond in the crown.

On the Liberal party's watch Labor left them a set of books in good shape........................where is your condemnation

 

[noco]

I think it was a revealing interview, so your posting it was worthwhile even though it hasn't generated a great deal of discussion.

Yes, I did bring up Clive Palmer because he was mentioned in the interview, and I did not mention his views, only that it was said that Mark Scott decided to sit next to him. I thought it was petty of the Murdoch journalist to insinuate an insidious relationship between the two, but I suppose we can't expect junior journos to have the Insight of a Laurie Oakes, Paul Kelly or Tony Jones.

The ABC seems to be populated with a lot of young and seemingly naive journos these days, and although I cast no aspersions on their competence one gets the feeling that the more hard bitten scribes are either sitting behind a desk or have moved on to other organisations, leaving a cynicism vacuum on the frontline of the ABC. There appears to be few Paul Harveys, Peter Luck's, Gerald Stones, Andrew Ollies, or dare I say Mike Carltons coming up.

Those young naive journos have all been indoctrinated with the same Fabian gramophone needle.

Hopefully things will start to change with the new board who does the staff appointments....we may now start to see a bit more balance in reporting from unbiased journos like Harvey, Luck, Stone, Ollie......I won't include Mike Carlton.

 

[drsmith]

Apparently he stopped off to visit a Cancer Clinic , The ABC is playing it up big time . The Headline story on the 12:00 pm TV News as well. They can do better , it was Cancer Centre not the Crown Casino for god's sake.
Would they have made such a big deal if it was to visit a renewable energy centre.

As a story it seems to have withered as the day has gone on.

Nothing about it from Labor in QT today.

 

[Tisme]

Apparently he stopped off to visit a Cancer Clinic , The ABC is playing it up big time . The Headline story on the 12:00 pm TV News as well. They can do better , it was Cancer Centre not the Crown Casino for god's sake.
Would they have made such a big deal if it was to visit a renewable energy centre.

Gotta be careful when Claudius admits petty theft as it usually means he and his cohorts are baiting Marcellus to announce something is rotten in the state of Denmark. Invariably Claudius has a bucket of fish ready for the challenge.

I doubt the LNP have blundered on the fountain of truth and honesty, unless it's been hiding in the Cancer Centre all this time.

 

[Julia]

I've found both last Monday's Q & A and today's "The Insiders" very reasonable both in terms of the moderation and the relatively respectful views of the panellists. Q & A in particular showed the quality of Gareth Evans and Paul Kelly.

Since Tanya Plibersek has been Shadow Minister for Immigration, the radio interviews I've heard with her have been pretty awful: she has sounded uncertain, hesitant, out of her depth. But on today's "Insiders" she seemed like a different person, competent, articulate and (wow!) sincere. Hope she can keep it up.

 

[SirRumpole]

I've found both last Monday's Q & A and today's "The Insiders" very reasonable both in terms of the moderation and the relatively respectful views of the panellists. Q & A in particular showed the quality of Gareth Evans and Paul Kelly.

Since Tanya Plibersek has been Shadow Minister for Immigration, the radio interviews I've heard with her have been pretty awful: she has sounded uncertain, hesitant, out of her depth. But on today's "Insiders" she seemed like a different person, competent, articulate and (wow!) sincere. Hope she can keep it up.

Yes, she was ok. Pity Keating didn't show as Cassidy advertised he would on Friday's News Breakfast.

 

[drsmith]

Since Tanya Plibersek has been Shadow Minister for Immigration, the radio interviews I've heard with her have been pretty awful: she has sounded uncertain, hesitant, out of her depth. But on today's "Insiders" she seemed like a different person, competent, articulate and (wow!) sincere. Hope she can keep it up.

While one can understand one side of politics not wanting to offer praise or even acknowledgement to the other, mother Plibersek's comments re-Julie Bishop at the end of that interview showed her true nature.

 

[noco]

While one can understand one side of politics not wanting to offer praise or even acknowledgement to the other, mother Plibersek's comments re-Julie Bishop at the end of that interview showed her true nature.

Yes Doc, she was very reluctant to give Julie Bishop any credit for the way Bishop was going about her role as Foreign Minister.....Could imagine Plibersek as Foreign Minister.....she would be worse than Bob Carr who was a bloody embarrassment.

 

[SirRumpole]

.she would be worse than Bob Carr who was a bloody embarrassment.

In what way was Carr an embarrassment ?

 

[Julia]

While one can understand one side of politics not wanting to offer praise or even acknowledgement to the other, mother Plibersek's comments re-Julie Bishop at the end of that interview showed her true nature.

I don't specifically remember anything she said about Julie Bishop. What was it?
Perhaps I just take for granted and mentally dismiss the apparently obligatory dissing of their opposite number.