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MrBurns said:
I rest my case , here we have a Labor tragic who is unable to comprehend plain English and recognise that following a liar and a cheat is unwise.
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What leads you to the conclusion that I am a Labour tragic let alone a Labour voter?
 
FlyingFox said:
Instead of going around in circles, in desperation, can you bother to string a sentence together and tell us exactly what you think she lied about and what she actually lied about?
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Would this help?...lol




This hit the airwaves a few days before the election - and then on the night before the election (despite her rock solid commitment of "no carbon tax" as above - she states that she would view election victory as a mandate to price carbon...that puts her previous so called 'commitment' of no carbon tax to the Australian a people in a very shaky position, imo. And carbon tax would be much the same as carbon price - does the same sort of thing - so no splitting hairs on that one.

In an election-eve interview with The Australian, the Prime Minister revealed she would view victory tomorrow as a mandate for a carbon price, provided the community was ready for this step.
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http://www.news.com.au/features/fed...on-price-promise/story-fn5tar6a-1225907552000
 
FlyingFox said:
No let's not leave it at that. You have quoted a video snippet out of context. When presented with the full transcript of the interview including the context, you still hold on to this false notion.
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More pertinently, when provided with independent and contradicting information, has sought to rely on the highly selective video snippet which they believe supports their world view.
 
sails said:
This hit the airwaves a few days before the election - and then on the night before the election (despite her rock solid commitment of "no carbon tax" as above - she states that she would view election victory as a mandate to price carbon...that puts her previous so called 'commitment' of no carbon tax to the Australian a people in a very shaky position, imo. And carbon tax would be much the same as carbon price - does the same sort of thing - so no splitting hairs on that one.
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That is the real question. Is a carbon price different to a carbon tax. Julia seemed to think so in her pre-election interviews. Tony Abbott thought so when he supported a Carbon Tax. Why would we think they are the same?

Or were both wrong and that it is a distinction without difference. If it is, then Julia saying that she wanted to implement a carbon price settles that, albeit she (and Tony) were trying to be too tricky by half by defining a difference.
 
sails said:
Would this help?...lol
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I've always wondered, what program do they use to make the youtube videos cut off mid-sentence without making it look like that actually happened?
 
Some Dude said:
More pertinently, when provided with independent and contradicting information, has sought to rely on the highly selective video snippet which they believe supports their world view.
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Let's see how the majority of Aussies understood the video snippet which, as I recall, was blasted out over the airwaves many times per day for several days before the election. It wasn't just a little quiet one-off statement as I remember it.

Go ahead and think whatever you like. September 14 will tell us what voters think of the carbon tax debacle. And Gillard's promise to 'stop the boats' and Gillard's repeated promises for surpluses while they spend like there is no tomorrow. Shall I go on?...:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Did you know the name Gillard has the word "liar" in it?
 
sails said:
Would this help?...lol




This hit the airwaves a few days before the election - and then on the night before the election (despite her rock solid commitment of "no carbon tax" as above - she states that she would view election victory as a mandate to price carbon...that puts her previous so called 'commitment' of no carbon tax to the Australian a people in a very shaky position, imo. And carbon tax would be much the same as carbon price - does the same sort of thing - so no splitting hairs on that one.



http://www.news.com.au/features/fed...on-price-promise/story-fn5tar6a-1225907552000
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Sails,

That's politics being played right there. She is a lawyer after all. However it does not make her a liar because as stated in the article some dude cited, she has always maintained no "carbon tax" but def a "carbon price". All about context.
 
See you all on Sept 14th, that will be a joyous day for all thinking Australians who despise lies and deception:xyxthumbs
 
PHP:
Ves said:
I've always wondered, what program do they use to make the youtube videos cut off mid-sentence without making it look like that actually happened?
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Did you have your head under a rock before the last election? The message was loud and clear from Gillard:


"There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead"

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sails said:
Let's see how the majority of Aussies understood the video snippet which, as I recall, was blasted out over the airwaves many times per day for several days before the election. It wasn't just a little quiet one-off statement as I remember it.

Go ahead and think whatever you like. September 14 will tell us what voters think of the carbon tax debacle. And Gillard's promise to 'stop the boats' and Gillard's repeated promises for surpluses while they spend like there is no tomorrow. Shall I go on?...:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Did you know the name Gillard has the word "liar" in it?
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Sails this is a discussion for another thread. I don't disagree with much of what you say although most of avid liberal supporters seem to forgot all context when they make these claims.
 
sails said:
PHP:

Did you have your head under a rock before the last election? The message was loud and clear from Gillard:


"There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead"

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Do you acknowledge that she did state that she wanted to implement a carbon price?
 
sails said:
PHP:

Did you have your head under a rock before the last election? The message was loud and clear from Gillard:


"There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead"

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Your point?

There is a carbon price, not a tax.
 
FlyingFox said:
Sails,

That's politics being played right there. She is a lawyer after all. However it does not make her a liar because as stated in the article some dude cited, she has always maintained no "carbon tax" but def a "carbon price". All about context.
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To the great majority of Aussies, Carbon Tax, Carbon Price, ETS, whatever tag you put on it means our electricity suppliers will be taxed by some means and they will pass the cost on to us.

She can play her lawyer tricks in court but I really don't think the majority of the voting public will think she was clever. You will get your answers on September 14th.
 
sails said:
PHP:

Did you have your head under a rock before the last election? The message was loud and clear from Gillard:


"There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead"

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Can you please post the full clip?
 
sails said:
To the great majority of Aussies, Carbon Tax, Carbon Price, ETS, whatever tag you put on it means our electricity suppliers will be taxed by some means and they will pass the cost on to us.

She can play her lawyer tricks in court but I really don't think the majority of the voting public will think she was clever. You will get your answers on September 14th.
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I believe she may be charged in connection wit the AWU scandal before the election so she can lie her way out of that one too.
 
sails said:
To the great majority of Aussies, Carbon Tax, Carbon Price, ETS, whatever tag you put on it means our electricity suppliers will be taxed by some means and they will pass the cost on to us.

She can play her lawyer tricks in court but I really don't think the majority of the voting public will think she was clever. You will get your answers on September 14th.
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Yes I agree with what you are saying but that's politics. She always said she was going to put a price on carbon.

Again you assume I am a Labour voter.
 
FlyingFox said:
Your point?

There is a carbon price, not a tax.
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Carbon tax was the thing that was legislated. Carbon tax bill passes

Stop your stupid splitting of hairs. Carbon tax/carbon price do the same thing anyway. Are you saying that Gillard deliberately deceived the people by saying their would be no carbon tax and she always was going to implement a carbon price?

That is disgusting, if true.
 
Well almost time to watch Lateline and see how many $billions we haven't got Gillard is promising to give away today in return for votes.

I mean everything she does is "historic" isn't it ?

Surrounded by school kids and the disabled she lurches toward the election, isn't she marvellous ?:rolleyes:
 
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