ABC is Political

[MrBurns]

Gillard said before the election that she would propose a carbon pricing scheme, didn't she? The quote from the Australian demonstrates that she did so before the election. Correct?

She must have said that to Tim in the dark because that's not what we remember and not what she admitted to doing and retracting when on Q@A (see video above)

At 2.06 through to 2.19 and just after that.

 

[Some Dude]

She must have said that to Tim in the dark because that's not what we remember and not what she admitted to doing and retracting when on Q@A (see video above)

It was in the Australian. You're not getting away with that.

I'm going to track down that interview and see for myself. The point is, she did not lie about a "Carbon Tax", what she did do was change her mind about the consultative assembly.

Isn't that correct? If so, and if you care about honesty so much, I expect to not see you complain about the carbon tax lie anymore.

Correct?

By all means, continue to complain about the assembly not happening and how she should have spent that money doing it. It's a fair and valid criticism that she did not hold that assembly.

 

[MrBurns]

It was in the Australian. You're not getting away with that.

I'm going to track down that interview and see for myself. The point is, she did not lie about a "Carbon Tax", what she did do was change her mind about the consultative assembly.

Isn't that correct? If so, and if you care about honesty so much, I expect to not see you complain about the carbon tax lie anymore.

Correct?

By all means, continue to complain about the assembly not happening and how she should have spent that money doing it.

Watch the video and the times I posted.

 

[Some Dude]

Watch the video and the times I posted.

I have which is why I am following up on what that interview referred to. I'm betting it referred to the assembly but given that they cut it so short, we can't know until we find the interview. Ironically though, it won't matter because we have proof of what she said independent of that interview.

Are you, or are you not conceding the following:

Julia Gillard stated before the election that she wanted to introduce a carbon pricing scheme?

JULIA Gillard says she is prepared to legislate a carbon price in the next term.

It will be part of a bold series of reforms that include school funding, education and health.

In an election-eve interview with The Australian, the Prime Minister revealed she would view victory tomorrow as a mandate for a carbon price, provided the community was ready for this step.

"I don't rule out the possibility of legislating a Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme, a market-based mechanism," she said of the next parliament. "I rule out a carbon tax."

This is the strongest message Ms Gillard has sent about action on carbon pricing.

While any carbon price would not be triggered until after the 2013 election, Ms Gillard would have two potential legislative partners next term - the Coalition or the Greens. She would legislate the carbon price next term if sufficient consensus existed.

Link.

 

[MrBurns]

I have which is why I am following up on what that interview referred to. I'm betting it referred to the assembly but given that they cut it so short, we can't know until we find the interview. Ironically though, it won't matter because we have proof of what she said independent of that interview.

Are you, or are you not conceding the following:

Julia Gillard stated before the election that she wanted to introduce a carbon pricing scheme?



Link.

Q and A 14th March 2011 - she admits she walked away from that commitment..........she lied.

 

[sptrawler]

Are you, or are you not conceding the following:

Julia Gillard stated before the election that she wanted to introduce a carbon pricing scheme?



Link.

The funny thing is, the issue of if she lied or didn't lie has been lost in the dismal failure of the policy.
Much like everything else they've done.

 

[Some Dude]

Q and A 14th March 2011 - she admits she walked away from that commitment..........she lied.

I said I am checking what that actually referred to. Are you unable to concede that independent of that interview, The Australian holds record of Julia Gillard stating that she intends to implement a carbon price?

Seriously.

 

[Some Dude]

The funny thing is, the issue of if she lied or didn't lie has been lost in the dismal failure of the policy.
Much like everything else they've done.

Exactly. There are so many valid criticisms, again whether we agree or not is almost irrelevant, but people will never be able to hold discussions about those if they can't even acknowledge that she said something which is on the public record.

 

[MrBurns]

I said I am checking what that actually referred to. Are you unable to concede that The Australian holds record of Julia Gillard stating that she intends to implement a carbon price?

Seriously.

I think her major lie on the eve of the election supersedes that, she lied to get votes and it worked.

 

[Some Dude]

I think her major lie on the eve of the election supersedes that, she lied to get votes and it worked.

It's a yes or no answer.

Did Julia Gillard state before the election that she intended to implement a carbon pricing scheme.

That you can't answer that simple question when proof is put in front of you, says everything anyone needs to know. When you can answer that question, we will continue.

And I am reading the 14 March 2011 transcript now.

 

[sails]

Not sure if this has been posted - waded through many posts and can't see it so apologies if it's been put up. But here's an interesting poll:

Our survey was conducted by telephone with carefully selected journalists from newspapers, magazines, radio and television stations, online news sites and news agency AAP, as a sample of the 8000 to 10,000 journalists in Australia today.

When asked about their voting intentions, less than two-thirds of the journalists we surveyed revealed their voting intention. Of those 372 people, 43.0% said they would give their first preference vote to Labor; 30.2% would vote for the Coalition; and 19.4% said they would choose the Greens – about twice the Australian average.

However, 41.2% of the 34 ABC journalists who declared a voting intention said they would vote for the Greens, followed by 32.4% for Labor and 14.7% for the Coalition.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...vey_confirms_all_you_suspected_about_the_abc/

http://theconversation.com/whose-vi...y to vote out Labor while reporters lean left

 

[FlyingFox]

Q and A 14th March 2011 - she admits she walked away from that commitment..........she lied.

I think the lie you are referring to is her bringing forward the carbon price instead of 2013 times frame/next term that she originally referred to.

I will try and get proof of this.

 

[Some Dude]

Not sure if this has been posted - waded through many posts and can't see it so apologies if it's been put up. But here's an interesting poll:

Did you read the second link? In particular the study author's comment about the lack of link between voting intention and bias was interesting as well. I hope Andrew Bolt updates his blog post according. The News Limited figures were impressive if one wants to look at the ABC in that context.

 

[MrBurns]

It's a yes or no answer.

Did Julia Gillard state before the election that she intended to implement a carbon pricing scheme.

.

Don't care the big lie superseded that anyway.

 

[FlyingFox]

Not sure if this has been posted - waded through many posts and can't see it so apologies if it's been put up. But here's an interesting poll:



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http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...vey_confirms_all_you_suspected_about_the_abc/

http://theconversation.com/whose-vi...y to vote out Labor while reporters lean left

Thanks sails,

Mr Burns, have a look at the numbers on the table. The majority of journalists at all other institutions said they would vote for Labour. Are these institutions biased too?

 

[Some Dude]

Don't care the big lie superseded that anyway.

You're just not interested in the truth are you. So why should anyone care about your complaints regarding someone else's honesty. Look at how hard it is to get you to acknowledge simple black and white reality.

 

[FlyingFox]

Don't care the big lie superseded that anyway.

And you were calling me an child that did not stand to reason ...

 

[MrBurns]

Thanks sails,

Mr Burns, have a look at the numbers on the table. The majority of journalists at all other institutions said they would vote for Labour. Are these institutions biased too?

They're probably on bludging Labor grants, dunno, don't care see you on Sept 14th

You're just not interested in the truth are you. So why should anyone care about your complaints regarding someone else's honesty.

The truth is she lied and admitted it on Q and A..........get over it

 

[Some Dude]

Does anyone else understand what this big lie that supersedes the other one is? I'm nearly finished this transcript but that has me confused.

 

[MrBurns]

And you were calling me an child that did not stand to reason ...

You're grasping at straws trying to win points that don't matter, look at the big picture, she is a failure of the highest order surrounded by lap dogs who will support her.