A white perspective of Racism and White Privilege in the US

basilio · 12 April 2019

I wasn't intending to discuss the reality of bent and nasty cops in this thread.They are ubiquitous. Like most other people I can offer my own direct experiences.

The topic was about discussing how Kyle Kover came to appreciate that the treatment given to his overwhelmingly black NBA teammates by cops or abusive fans was essentially driven by race.

They were black and that was sufficient to abuse or beat them.

But the interesting part of his story was the realisation that even when he supported his teammates he was still an observer - not a participant. He could walk away from the unfairness. They couldn't.

Humid · 12 April 2019

sptrawler said:
Is this thread going to lead anywhere?
Are we going to have an Australian class action against the U.S police, maybe we could bundle a deal and have one against Trump as well.
Jeez give me a breack, as if we don't have enough problems in Australia, without trying to fix other Countries problems. Some people have way too much time on their hands. IMO
Maybe the thread could be, "people with an interest in discussing the U.S racial problems, PM me"

Man with 10000 posts berates people for having too much time on their hands lol

Humid · 12 April 2019

wayneL said:
Back in 1991, a friend of mine threw a grand opening party at his new real estate office, it was pretty tame but the grog was flowing freely. One of the guests, a friend of mine (a local middle aged businessman), noticed a couple of plain clothes coppers in their car in the carpark. Being friends with some of the copper brass, hw wentover to say gday.

Coppers told him to F off, which my friend verbally protested about, no physical moves whatsoever. Coppers got out, worked him over right in front of us all, chucked him in the car and then really belted the crap out of him on the way to the nick... broke teeth and ribs.

Released without charge later. It was a disgraceful display of unfair treatment by the cops

Here's the damning thing, my friend was bla.... errr, white.

Unfortunately, there was no media mileage for being a whitefella.

The only black person there was serving the drinks.....

Sdajii · 12 April 2019

basilio said:
Bit more from Privilege

But as disgraceful as it is that we have to deal with racist hecklers in NBA arenas in 2019? The truth is, you could argue that that kind of racism is “easier” to deal with.

Because at least in those cases, the racism is loud and clear. There’s no ambiguity — not in the act itself, and thankfully not in the response: we throw the guy out of the building, and then we ban him for life.

But in many ways the more dangerous form of racism isn’t that loud and stupid kind. It isn’t the kind that announces itself when it walks into the arena. It’s the quiet and subtle kind. The kind that almost hides itself in plain view. It’s the person who does and says all the “right” things in public: They’re perfectly friendly when they meet a person of color. They’re very polite. But in private? Well….. they sort of wish that everyone would stop making everything “about race” all the time.

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/kyle-korver-utah-jazz-nba

Amazing. This sort of race baiting, divisive, fear-mongering nonsense is disgusting. It is designed to make people suspicious of any white person even if they behave perfectly. It is literally designed to make people think that if a white person does everything white, it is a sign that we should distrust them. We should suspect that people who appear to be doing nothing wrong are terrible people when we can't see them, based on the fact that we never see them doing anything wrong.

It's evil of people to come up with this stuff and pathetic of people to see and spread it.

sptrawler · 12 April 2019

Humid said:
Man with 10000 posts berates people for having too much time on their hands lol

Yep 10,000 in 10 years, that's 1000 per year.
You have managed 400 in a month. lol

wayneL · 13 April 2019

Humid said:
The only black person there was serving the drinks.....

What a really stupid comment.

Humid · 13 April 2019

sptrawler said:
Yep 10,000 in 10 years, that's 1000 per year.
You have managed 400 in a month. lol

Not as stupid as this and you liked it

sptrawler · 13 April 2019

Humid said:
Not as stupid as this and you liked it

Yep you have posted 403 posts, and not one of them related to shares, maybe trolling is your bag.

Humid · 13 April 2019

At least I know what year it is

sptrawler · 13 April 2019

Humid said:
At least I know what year it is

I told you this dumb thread will go nowhere, all it has done is encourage you to dribble.lol

basilio · 13 April 2019

Sdajii said:
Amazing. This sort of race baiting, divisive, fear-mongering nonsense is disgusting. It is designed to make people suspicious of any white person even if they behave perfectly. It is literally designed to make people think that if a white person does everything white, it is a sign that we should distrust them. We should suspect that people who appear to be doing nothing wrong are terrible people when we can't see them, based on the fact that we never see them doing anything wrong.

It's evil of people to come up with this stuff and pathetic of people to see and spread it.

You can certainly twist anything into whatever pretzel you want want can't you Sdajii ?
There was a lot more depth to the story than you appear interested in noticing.
Kyle was simply saying that loud mouthed arrogant racists are obvious. But people who just simply agree or don't care about the "loud mouthed racists" and say nothing are part of the problem.

Why ? Just think about how the AFL has changed over time to the abuse of aboriginal players. In the past opposition players, sometimes teammates, many times people in the crowd would make the most abusive and racist comments.

And no one said anything. It was seen as "just some ignorant hoons" . "Just ignore them " "Shut up and focus on the game". So for years and years this behaviour continued in effect condoned by the AFL and everyone else who found it safer and easier to keep mum.

Today it is a different story. If someone does make a racist comment, throws a banana at player, calls them a monkey the AFL, the players, the teams have decided to call out this behavior. To say that it is unacceptable, to shame this racism out of the game.

It is led by players who in the past might have felt uncomfortable about standing up to this abuse. I suggest it is this support and resistance that Kyle is saying is required.

What do you think ?

Humid · 13 April 2019

sptrawler said:
I told you this dumb thread will go nowhere, all it has done is encourage you to dribble.lol

But have I been dribbling a month or a year old man?

sptrawler · 13 April 2019

Humid said:
But have I been dribbling a month or a year old man?

There you go, 405 posts, not one of them has a modicum of independent thought.
Not one iota of intelligent conversation added, be it debate, knowledge or fiscal observation, just 405 posts of snipping.
I guess the good thing is, while you are trolling me, you are leaving someone else alone.

Humid · 13 April 2019

405 with 127 likes
How’s your average? Lol
Actually after your last attempt at math leave it alone!

sptrawler · 13 April 2019

Humid said:
405 with 127 likes
How’s your average? Lol
Actually after your last attempt at math leave it alone!

Yes, I have actually given you quite a lot of likes, to try and encourage you to become more positive, I assume others have followed suite.
It obviously hasn't worked.

Humid · 13 April 2019

There you go
I always thought it was your fat fingers trying to hit quote

sptrawler · 13 April 2019

Humid said:
There you go
I always thought it was your fat fingers trying to hit quote

Yes, I've been told I have hands like feet.

We will have to catch up for a beer, when I get back, maybe discuss the election result.

Sdajii · 13 April 2019

basilio said:
You can certainly twist anything into whatever pretzel you want want can't you Sdajii ?
There was a lot more depth to the story than you appear interested in noticing.
Kyle was simply saying that loud mouthed arrogant racists are obvious. But people who just simply agree or don't care about the "loud mouthed racists" and say nothing are part of the problem.

Why ? Just think about how the AFL has changed over time to the abuse of aboriginal players. In the past opposition players, sometimes teammates, many times people in the crowd would make the most abusive and racist comments.

And no one said anything. It was seen as "just some ignorant hoons" . "Just ignore them " "Shut up and focus on the game". So for years and years this behaviour continued in effect condoned by the AFL and everyone else who found it safer and easier to keep mum.

Today it is a different story. If someone does make a racist comment, throws a banana at player, calls them a monkey the AFL, the players, the teams have decided to call out this behavior. To say that it is unacceptable, to shame this racism out of the game.

It is led by players who in the past might have felt uncomfortable about standing up to this abuse. I suggest it is this support and resistance that Kyle is saying is required.

What do you think ?

Noticed how I commented on the clear, obvious facts and truth, you accused me of 'twisting things into pretzels, and you proceeded to twist up a very impressive pretzel?

You literally posted something which is literally and blatantly designed to make people suspicious of people who behave perfectly and do nothing wrong, and make them believe that people doing bad things hidden away where no one can see and no evidence can exist is a common, normal thing.

This is race baiting, this is divisive. This is fear mongering. This is blatant. Your defense of it is 'pretzel twisting'. Calling it what it blatantly is is not pretzel twisting.

You are a sheep. What you mindlessly follow is evil.

SirRumpole · 13 April 2019

Sdajii said:
You literally posted something which is literally and blatantly designed to make people suspicious of people who behave perfectly and do nothing wrong, and make them believe that people doing bad things hidden away where no one can see and no evidence can exist is a common, normal thing.

"A common normal thing ?"

How common things like police violence is we don't really if as you say there is no evidence. It certainly does happen as evidenced by the incidents that are trapped on CCTV, phones and webcams.

I'd say there has to be a lot more happening that those that are randomly caught. Even a former police officer was assaulted in a police station, so who knows how many more cases there are.

In deference to all the good cops out there, it's in their interests that such things are exposed and the perpetrators thrown out of the force so that the law abiding public can have confidence that when they come in contact with the police it will be to their benefit.

wayneL · 13 April 2019

I'm thinking how this will play out in 20-40 years time.

Sometime therein, I will have given up the ghost and discovered if there is a hereafter, or not, as the case may be. Either way I'm glad I won't be around, or have children to worry about.

However, I will probably live long enough to witness the cultural suicide of the West, by either toxic swing of the pendulum.

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