A white perspective of Racism and White Privilege in the US

[dutchie]

 

[Smurf1976]

The problem with a lot of this is that it has now turned to outright bullying by those pulling the strings.

Express genuine sentiment that's positive but do it in a way they don't approve of and you'll be torn to shreds and labelled as racist. On the other hand, display actual racism and no problem so long as it's in the approved format.

Then there's things like this which highlights another issue: https://www.news.com.au/entertainme...e/news-story/b7d3332a8f1071cd501c10debf91dc80

The whole debate reminds me of being at high school many years ago. You "like" this music and you wear these clothes if that's the fashion and don't anyone dare do anything different or suggest that they like something else. Yep, that was the culture back then (probably still is?) and it's not something that belongs in the adult world indeed it shouldn't happen in schools either.

Whoever's pulling the strings is now at the point of blatantly bullying. My guess is we'll see that stop at a time very close to when the stock market peaks.

 

[wayneL]

Maybe not quite the right thread, but...

 

[moXJO]

We have the usual provocateurs trying to kick start violence amongst protesters.
Noticed it coming from the top by leftist twats.
Blacks are not your pawns. Don't hijack their issues to further your own.







Don't try and whip up any further division you flog. You ain't the one that wears the cost.

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

We have the usual provocateurs trying to kick start violence amongst protesters.
Noticed it coming from the top by leftist twats.
Blacks are not your pawns. Don't hijack their issues to further your own.







Don't try and whip up any further division you flog. You ain't the one that wears the cost.

I was shocked to hear our Prime Minister being forced to apologise for stating a fact that slavery never existed in Australia.

A slave is someone who is legal property of another. The fact is that indigenous people were never legal property of others.

The blackbirding argument is an attempt to redefine what slavery is. Sure it was worker exploitation and wage theft, but not slavery.

 

[basilio]

I was shocked to hear our Prime Minister being forced to apologise for stating a fact that slavery never existed in Australia.

A slave is someone who is legal property of another. The fact is that indigenous people were never legal property of others.

The blackbirding argument is an attempt to redefine what slavery is. Sure it was worker exploitation and wage theft, but not slavery.

Was there slavery in Australia? Yes. It shouldn’t even be up for debate
....What is slavery?

Australia was not a “slave state” like the American South. However, slavery is a broader concept. As Article 1 of the United Nations Slavery Convention says:
Slavery is the status or condition of a person over whom any or all of the powers attaching to the right of ownership are exercised.
These powers might include non-payment of wages, physical or sexual abuse, controls over freedom of movement, or selling a person like a piece of property. In the words of slavery historian Orlando Patterson, slavery is a form of “social death”.
https://theconversation.com/was-the...-yes-it-shouldnt-even-be-up-for-debate-140544

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

Was there slavery in Australia? Yes. It shouldn’t even be up for debate
....What is slavery?

Australia was not a “slave state” like the American South. However, slavery is a broader concept. As Article 1 of the United Nations Slavery Convention says:
Slavery is the status or condition of a person over whom any or all of the powers attaching to the right of ownership are exercised.
These powers might include non-payment of wages, physical or sexual abuse, controls over freedom of movement, or selling a person like a piece of property. In the words of slavery historian Orlando Patterson, slavery is a form of “social death”.
https://theconversation.com/was-the...-yes-it-shouldnt-even-be-up-for-debate-140544

So we are redefining the term slave! Case in point!

Slave: "a person who is legally owned by someone else and has to work for that person" (https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/slave?q=Slave)

 

[sptrawler]

From an Australian perspective, with regard the mass protests, it does indicate the increase in welfare payments has worked.
Now they arent worried about money, they obviously need something else to do.

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

Was there slavery in Australia? Yes. It shouldn’t even be up for debate
....What is slavery?

Australia was not a “slave state” like the American South. However, slavery is a broader concept. As Article 1 of the United Nations Slavery Convention says:
Slavery is the status or condition of a person over whom any or all of the powers attaching to the right of ownership are exercised.
These powers might include non-payment of wages, physical or sexual abuse, controls over freedom of movement, or selling a person like a piece of property. In the words of slavery historian Orlando Patterson, slavery is a form of “social death”.
https://theconversation.com/was-the...-yes-it-shouldnt-even-be-up-for-debate-140544

LOL; by that measure and redefinition, we are all slaves in one form or another.

 

[basilio]

LOL; by that measure and redefinition, we are all slaves in one form or another.

Indeed
But perhaps there is a difference between 10's of thousands of Pacific Islanders kidnapped and indentured to Queensland sugar farmers and our normal everyday wage slaves ?
Not to mention being the backbone of Australia' pastoral industry for bugger all.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/blackbirding

 

[sptrawler]

Every worker who pays tax is a slave, the only ones who aren't slaves, are on welfare.

 

[SirRumpole]

OK there may have been slaves in Australia once.

There aren't anymore.

Just another way for radicals to attempt to make us feel guilty about things we had nothing to do with.

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

Indeed
But perhaps there is a difference between 10's of thousands of Pacific Islanders kidnapped and indentured to Queensland sugar farmers and our normal everyday wage slaves ?
Not to mention being the backbone of Australia' pastoral industry for bugger all.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/blackbirding

As a Greek descendant; my Greek ancestors and ancestoral countrymen were actually enslaved under the Ottoman Empire right up to the early 20th Century.

I take offence to academics and people like yourself who just throw around the term SLAVE so loosely.

 

[wayneL]

Indeed
But perhaps there is a difference between 10's of thousands of Pacific Islanders kidnapped and indentured to Queensland sugar farmers and our normal everyday wage slaves ?
Not to mention being the backbone of Australia' pastoral industry for bugger all.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/blackbirding

Guess what, bas. There is still slavery in the world.

Our society left it behind.

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

Indeed
But perhaps there is a difference between 10's of thousands of Pacific Islanders kidnapped and indentured to Queensland sugar farmers and our normal everyday wage slaves ?
Not to mention being the backbone of Australia' pastoral industry for bugger all.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/blackbirding

I think you need to read up on the Ottoman Empire and it's legal system of slavery and then juxtapose it with your Blackbirding argument.

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

Guess what, bas. There is still slavery in the world.

Our society left it behind.

Yes and the most slavery today is black people in Africa enslaving other black people.

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

OK there may have been slaves in Australia once.

There aren't anymore.

Just another way for radicals to attempt to make us feel guilty about things we had nothing to do with.

No, there were never slaves in Australia. If you want an example of slavery, the Ottoman Empire is a great example.

 

[moXJO]

Aboriginals were definitely oppressed.
Up till the 80s and perhaps even to 95 they were shamed for being aboriginal.
Their rights were certainly overlooked and abused.
They have an absolute right to protest. I just don't support looting, violence and damage.
Or being hijacked for political points.

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

Aboriginals were definitely oppressed.
Up till the 80s and perhaps even to 95 they were shamed for being aboriginal.
Their rights were certainly overlooked and abused.
They have an absolute right to protest. I just don't support looting, violence and damage.
Or being hijacked for political points.

Oppressed and disadvantaged; I agree. Slaves they were not. The whole Blackbirding argument is nonsense as slavery was abolished in 1834 and the Blackbirding was from around the 1850s. Therefore if kidnapping to work as labourers occurred, it was an illegal act by criminals. Furthermore, these people were not deemed to be property by the government of the day.

 

[wayneL]

The whole okay sign by the copper kerfuffle is evidence how stupid and silly everything is getting; and shows the Gaurdian's role in sowing division... pullleeeezzz

The Guardian: NSW police officer appears to make white power salute near Sydney Black Lives Matter protest.
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...salute-near-sydney-black-lives-matter-protest