A white perspective of Racism and White Privilege in the US

[wayneL]

This thread is misnamed, it should be :

"A radical leftist's perspective of racism and white privilege in the u.s.”

 

[qldfrog]

There are millions of people demonstrating peaceably.

True, demonstrating against police violence or against violence again black only.
you know as well as i what is the push there.
If that guy had been white..and many white are killed by police too,you would not have heard a thing, the only example you will find of outrage is that poor aussie lady: woman and Australian with our gov agitating helped to see justice..well kind of..

 

[dutchie]

Nah Dutchie. Just calling out hateful tropes.
Just like the ones you seem to enjoy ..

Nah, Virtual Signalling.

 

[basilio]

If that guy had been white..and many white are killed by police too,you would not have heard a thing, the only example you will find of outrage is that poor aussie lady: woman and Australian with our gov agitating helped to see justice..well kind of..

Let's do a thought experiment here qldfrog.

Imagine a black policemen picking up a white person for using a dodgy $20 note, handcuffing him and then while he was on the ground kneeling on his neck and slowly killing him as per George Floyd.

There are still 3 other police standing guard and score of witnesses imploring the cop to let the guy breathe.

What sort of outrage do you imagine that scenario would have created ?

 

[basilio]

Nah, Virtual Signalling.

"Virtual" signalling indeed ..

Very clever Dutchie....

 

[Smurf1976]

There are millions of people demonstrating peaceably.

There certainly are but there are also those who keep picking at the scab and just won’t allow the wounds to heal.

If the aim is peace then sort out current imbalances, move on and say nothing further.

Consider what happened after WW2. The war was won and it wasn’t long at all before we were trading and having sensible diplomatic relations with Germany, Japan etc and nobody’s arguing about it today.

Such is the benefit of sorting it out and moving on rather than coming up with an endless list of problems and demanding that the other side apologises, an approach which keeps the wounds open and fans the flames completely unnecessarily.

 

[SirRumpole]

There certainly are but there are also those who keep picking at the scab and just won’t allow the wounds to heal.

If the aim is peace then sort out current imbalances, move on and say nothing further.

Consider what happened after WW2. The war was won and it wasn’t long at all before we were trading and having sensible diplomatic relations with Germany, Japan etc and nobody’s arguing about it today.

Such is the benefit of sorting it out and moving on rather than coming up with an endless list of problems and demanding that the other side apologises, an approach which keeps the wounds open and fans the flames completely unnecessarily.

Agreed, however an average of 10+ deaths in custody per year for the last 30 years indicates something systemic in my view.

Of course you would have to look at each case to see the cause, and I certainly would not blame police/governments without knowing the circumstances , but I think it's fair to assume that some of these deaths would be the result of racism/neglect, others may have been provoked but the latter reason rarely gets an airing because its not PC to do so.

When dealing with an effective clash of cultures its very hard for both sides to see the other's point of view.

 

[wayneL]

Let's do a thought experiment here qldfrog.

Imagine a black policemen picking up a white person for using a dodgy $20 note, handcuffing him and then while he was on the ground kneeling on his neck and slowly killing him as per George Floyd.

There are still 3 other police standing guard and score of witnesses imploring the cop to let the guy breathe.

What sort of outrage do you imagine that scenario would have created ?

There is worse happening by a factor of 10 times in South Africa. Nobody gives a ****.

As far as the United States is concerned we do have a recent example of the Australian born woman being shot in the stomach.

There were some outrage, quite rightly because of the circumstances (irrespective of the races of the people involved), but no demonstrations no violence, and no looting.

This is not because of the races involved, but because of the politics around the races involved.

Perceived racism is deeply political, much more so than the actual incidence of such

 

[SirRumpole]

There is worse happening by a factor of 10 times in South Africa. Nobody gives a ****.

As far as the United States is concerned we do have a recent example of the Australian born woman being shot in the stomach.

There were some outrage, quite rightly because of the circumstances (irrespective of the races of the people involved), but no demonstrations no violence, and no looting.

This is not because of the races involved, but because of the politics around the races involved.

Perceived racism is deeply political, much more so than the actual incidence of such

Funny that no one suggested that Justines murder was a racist act. Its hard to find another reason for it though.

 

[basilio]

Let's do a thought experiment here qldfrog.

Imagine a black policemen picking up a white person for using a dodgy $20 note, handcuffing him and then while he was on the ground kneeling on his neck and slowly killing him as per George Floyd.

There are still 3 other police standing guard and score of witnesses imploring the cop to let the guy breathe.

What sort of outrage do you imagine that scenario would have created ?

Lets clarify this thought experiment.
It happens in the same city George Floyd was killed not another country.

Lets remember it is recorded in real time with many people watching the slow death of the white guy under the knee of a black policemen and millions of others seeing it after the event.

 

[basilio]

Funny that no one suggested that Justines murder was a racist act. Its hard to find another reason for it though.

Racist ? I don't think so. It was just a criminally stupid quick response from a police officer.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/07/justine-damond-death-mohamed-noor-minneapolis

 

[moXJO]

Lets straighten a few things up.
Yes Georges family as well as other prominent activists (Killer Mike ) called for peaceful demonstrations. There is no value in trashing their own communities.

Which media have tried to say it was ok to trash and loot ? Be really interested to see evidence for that assertion.

Yes the protests have been hijacked. Would it surprise anyone to find that White Supremacists groups have decided to stir things up and basically help turn the protests into a xshitstorm they can then attack ?

Three accused of conspiring to spark violence during protests in Las Vegas
Three Nevada men with ties to right-wing extremists have been arrested and charged with attempting to incite violence during protests in Las Vegas over the death of George Floyd.

The Associated Press reported that the men face a host of federal and state charges after being arrested on the way to a protest in downtown Las Vegas with Molotov cocktails and unregistered firearms. The men reportedly planned to instigate a riot by causing destruction at a peaceful protest in the city.

“People have a right to peacefully protest. These men are agitators and instigators. Their point was to hijack the protests into violence,” U.S. Attorney Nicholas Trutanich told the AP.

The men are reportedly charged with terrorism, felony conspiracy and explosive possession charges in state court, and also face unregistered firearm charges as well as charges of conspiracy to cause damage by fire or explosive in federal court.
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-...ring-to-spark-violence-during-protests-in-las
https://www.snopes.com/ap/2020/05/31/officials-see-extremist-groups-disinformation-in-protests/

Darlena Cunha from time magazine did.

The violence was whipped up by idiots aiming to create political tensions.

Democrat run city. Not trump run.

There is very little white supremacy involvement at this stage.

 

[wayneL]

Racist ? I don't think so. It was just a criminally stupid quick response from a police officer.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/07/justine-damond-death-mohamed-noor-minneapolis

Ah so. Interesting spin.

Nothing more need be said here.

 

[IFocus]

The killing of a unarmed black African male by a white police officer has been repeated across the US for a long time.

The reasons are complex but indifference and racism play a significant part.

I am not aware of anyone accepting the treatment of Floyd perhaps some here are?

The answer is for the disenfranchised to vote unfortunately they wont and some state voting rules actively work against this group for good reason if you are a Republican.

Not much will change press replay and watch this all unfold again some time in the future.

BTW there isn't a left wing in the US, nada, zip SFA any opinion of its existence is seriously brain dead.

 

[wayneL]

BTW there isn't a left wing in the US, nada, zip SFA any opinion of its existence is seriously brain dead.

Going into comedy?

 

[IFocus]

Going into comedy?

Nominate a left wing political party with influence?

I think I will laugh longest........

 

[wayneL]

Nominate a left wing political party with influence?

I think I will laugh longest........

Democrats, sans DNC.

The DNC is the only thing preventing Bolshevism.... Dem nominees were riddled with them.

 

[basilio]

There is very little white supremacy involvement at this stage.

Plenty of evidence to indicate that is not correct.

Briefing
3 self-proclaimed members of the far-right 'boogaloo' movement were arrested on domestic terrorism charges for trying to spark violence during protests
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/...loyd-protest-riot-conspiracy-2020-6?r=US&IR=T

Far-right and white supremacist involvement

One of the protesters in Columbus, Ohio holds up a poster that reads: "End White Supremacy Now"
On May 29, Minnesota Governor Tim Walz noted then-unconfirmed reports of white supremacists as well as drug cartels taking advantage of the protests.[233] Although reports that all or most of the individuals arrested were not from Minnesota turned out to be false, the presence of white supremacist groups aiming to exploit the protests to incite violence was confirmed the following day by Department of Public Safety Commissioner John Harrington.[234]

On May 30, Minnesota officials including Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison, Governor Tim Walz, Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey, and St. Paul Mayor Melvin Carter stated they believed that white nationalists were using the protests as cover for inciting violence,[235] and that Minnesota officials were monitoring the ongoing far-right online effort to incite violence.[236] On the other hand, Howard Graves, an analyst at the SPLC stated on May 31 that he did not see clear evidence of "white supremacists or militiamen" heading out to "burn and loot."[237] The University of St. Thomas' Lisa Waldner, an analyst of the American white supremacist and anarchist movements, has noted that the goal of many of the individuals involved in the destruction of Minneapolis was to create chaos so as to pursue their own agendas.[238] White nationalist Facebook groups reportedly began urging members to "get their loot on."[235] In at least 20 cities across the country as of May 31, members of hate groups and far-right organizations filmed themselves at the demonstrations.[237]

Vice and New York University's Reiss Center[236] reported that far-right accelerationists, who aim to exacerbate tensions and speed up the supposed coming of a "civil war," have urged followers online to use the protests as an occasion to carry out violence; an eco-fascist Telegram channel with almost 2500 subscribers posted on the 28th that "a riot would be the perfect place to commit a murder."[239] Analysis by Vice and the New York Times[237] also noted the proliferation of chatter on 4chan hailing the violence as the beginning of a "race war." Such tactics match a long running history of accelerationists exploiting moments of political and/or civil unrest[239] to, in the words of historian Stuart Wexler, "produce racial polarization and eventual retaliation" which would then swell the ranks of whites supporting white supremacist violence, ultimately leading to a race war that they hope will "purify" America through ethnic cleansing.[240] Analogous tactics were used by their ideological forebears in the 1960s,[240] and accelerationist ideas are proliferated on web forums and have inspired various white supremacist acts of violence, being featured also in the manifesto of the perpetrator of the Christchurch massacre.[236][241]

The presence of Boogaloo Bois, an armed anti-government far-right extremist movement that seeks a Second American Civil War, noticeable for their Hawaiian shirts, have also been reported at the protests.[239] Administrators of the Facebook page Big Igloo Bois, a splinter of the Boogaloo movement, called for members to attend the protests with one administrator stating, "come in peace, prepare for there to be violence."[242] While some of the Boogaloo Bois have espoused white supremacist views, other groups, such as the Big Igloo Bois, have aimed to make common cause with the Black Lives Matter movement due to their shared mistrust of the police.[243][236]

According to a Twitter spokesperson, an account pretending to belong to a national “antifa” organization and pushing violent rhetoric related to ongoing protests has been linked to the white nationalist group Identity Evropa, which also calls itself the American Identity Movement.[244]

On 3 June, Three men who identified with the Boogaloo movement were arrested in Las Vegas for reportedly plotting to commit violent acts to incite a riot, and were arrested on terrorism charges. The three men also had military experience, and were plotting to attack economic targets prior to the protests in May.[245]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests

 

[basilio]

I came across this story while researching the incidence of white supremacist infiltration of the George Floyd demonstrations.
Well worth reading the full story and in particular recognising the deliberate lies constructed by right wing extremists to inflame the situation.

Trump Boosts Video of Dallas Clash Edited to Cast Machete-Wielding Vigilante as Victim

Robert Mackey
June 1 2020, 1:28 p.m.
The danger of relying on fragmentary video clips posted on social media by politically motivated witnesses to news events was on full display in Dallas on Saturday night. Two witnesses, a Black Lives Matter protester and a right-wing video blogger, both captured a shocking act of violence on camera. But while the protester’s raw footage, which gave a more complete picture of the incident, was not widely seen, the video blogger’s edited version, posted on Twitter with a misleading caption, was viewed more than 30 million times in 24 hours.

Among the Twitter users who unthinkingly swallowed the blogger’s misleading video — which was edited to remove footage of a white man who was beaten charging at black and white protesters with a machete before they pummeled him — was the president of the United States, who tweeted about the clip with an outraged call for “LONG TERM jail sentences” for the protesters.

The edited clip was the work of Elijah Schaffer, a freelance producer for Glenn Beck’s Blaze TV and a pro-Trump political activist who hosts a YouTube talk show dedicated to mocking left-wing protesters.
https://theintercept.com/2020/05/31...dited-cast-machete-wielding-vigilante-victim/

 

[basilio]

Further videos on what happened to George Floyd.

New Video Shows 3 Cops Kneeling on George Floyd as He Lay Dying
“I can’t breathe, man,” Floyd cries out to the cops in the video. “Please. Please let me stand.”
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/...cops-kneeling-on-george-floyd-as-he-lay-dying