2013 Federal Election: 7 September 2013

[bunyip]

I wonder how much Labor have learnt from their loss. About the only thing any of them have talked about during the election post mortem is how disunity cost them government.
They’ve made no mention of the lies, smears and character assassination against their opponents, their dishonesty in relation to the carbon tax, their reckless spending, their spiraling debt and their inability to produce a single budget surplus in six years while all the time telling us they were on track to do so, their self-created illegal boat people debacle, their cuts to essential services and infrastructure while splashing money around wildly on school halls and pink batts and the like. And no mention of their disjointed election campaign that repeatedly showed them to be serial liars.

If Labor ever want to be taken seriously again, then they need to start showing a bit of character by facing up to all their faults, and committing to fixing them rather than just hiding behind the excuse that it was just their disunity that brought them undone.

 

[dutchie]

I wonder how much Labor have learnt from their loss. About the only thing any of them have talked about during the election post mortem is how disunity cost them government.
They’ve made no mention of the lies, smears and character assassination against their opponents, their dishonesty in relation to the carbon tax, their reckless spending, their spiraling debt and their inability to produce a single budget surplus in six years while all the time telling us they were on track to do so, their self-created illegal boat people debacle, their cuts to essential services and infrastructure while splashing money around wildly on school halls and pink batts and the like. And no mention of their disjointed election campaign that repeatedly showed them to be serial liars.

If Labor ever want to be taken seriously again, then they need to start showing a bit of character by facing up to all their faults, and committing to fixing them rather than just hiding behind the excuse that it was just their disunity that brought them undone.

No! Let them stay delusional! All the better for the Coalition.

 

[So_Cynical]

LOL at ^ the delusional, expecting a budget surplus during the worst economic crisis since the depression, boat people crisis that wasn't actually a crisis, spiralling debt that wasn't and isn't spiralling, no mention of AAA+ ratings, low unemployment, high currency, low debt to GDP, the disability scheme, tax reform, the lift in super, taking responsibility for GHG emissions (and actually achieving a reduction) Education spending increases, record low interest rates..

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The primary vote swing to the Liberal party was +1.26% nationally...and this is against the so called "worst Govt in Australian history" any lessons to be learnt for the noalition with that result?

 

[AAA]

LOL
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The primary vote swing to the Liberal party was +1.26% nationally...and this is against the so called "worst Govt in Australian history" any lessons to be learnt for the noalition with that result?

LOL at the ALP who got their lowest primary vote in a hundred years.

 

[Julia]

LOL at ^ the delusional, expecting a budget surplus during the worst economic crisis since the depression,

There was no call for a budget surplus from the electorate or from informed commentators. The latter, in fact, largely suggested a rush to surplus was unnecessary.
So Labor's declaration of not just an intention to return to surplus, but actually announcing the achievement of a surplus long before they had even appropriately planned for it, was all their own work.

Might be time to wake up to your idols, So Cynical.

 

[wayneL]

LOL at the ALP who got their lowest primary vote in a hundred years.

Indeed.

Amazing how SC applies different rules to the Coalition win than to Labor in 2010.

 

[nioka]

They will have to do something about the ridiculous Senate ballot paper, but I have high hopes the Queensland PUP voters, who are obviously of low intelligence, will have stuffed it up and voted informal.

You must tell us which state you must belong to to have that superior intelligence. (Being born in townsville I guess I have not inherited sufficient intelligence to work that out for myself.) Then again how did Palmer make his fortune if he also has the low intelligence that you suggest. :silly:

 

[Ijustnewit]

The biggest surprise for me was the re-election of Wayne Swan , don't the people of Lilley in Brisbane have any memory or were living under a rock the last 6 years ? This clown was one of Labor's worst offenders .

Secondly Chris Bowen , 40,000 illegals under his watch , same bloody thing for his electorate !! What no TV's and radios out there or something ?? X2 :1zhelp:

 

[Smurf1976]

Smurf, thanks (from a cane toad) for a better insight into Tas.

I would pick you up on one little (maybe typo) error... our former Country Party, come Nationals up here ( and apparently more so in the west) formed an alliance with the Libs, the LNP, and sometimes get a bit touchy when the Libs try to take all the credit and power.

It's just a reflection on common language differences between the states I think. Since the National party isn't significantly active around here, most people here just use the term "Liberal" to mean the Coalition.

 

[wayneL]

The biggest surprise for me was the re-election of Wayne Swan , don't the people of Lilley in Brisbane have

I drive through Wayne Swine's electorate 4 days per week.

The most noticeable thing was that he had all but disowned the ALP in his campaign material. Not a Labor party logo to be seen (without a microscope) anywhere... not even the traditional red.

It was like he was an independent.

That tac may have saved his @ss.

 

[Tink]

Yes, I am thrilled, bunyip, that a majority voted the Labor Government out and that the Coalition are in for the next 3 years at the least.
A friend of mine was working in one of the booths and sent me a message saying, happy to inform you, alot of Lib voters

I am not surprised by the big swings in Victoria and Tasmania, though I expected one more to lose here in Victoria. Its very close, with a swing of 8%.

I was glad that Rudd stood down from the leadership -- the message was sent loud and clear.

My preference has always been the Coalition at a Federal level, even though I can be a swinging voter.

 

[Calliope]

You must tell us which state you must belong to to have that superior intelligence. (Being born in townsville I guess I have not inherited sufficient intelligence to work that out for myself.)

Obviously. The Sunshine Coast is in Qld.

 

[Logique]

Rupert Murdoch's summation.

Australian born media mogul Rupert Murdoch also took to Twitter on Saturday night to offer his analysis of why the Labor party had been tossed from power.

"Aust election public sick of public sector workers and phony (sic) welfare scroungers sucking life out of economy. Others nations to follow in time," he wrote.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-po...lias-new-pm-20130908-2tdra.html#ixzz2eLP88vJ1

 

[noco]

Andrew Bolt outlines the 5 myths that killed the Labor Party's campgnain.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...poses-five-myths/story-fnho52qp-1226714757063

 

[nioka]

Obviously. The Sunshine Coast is in Qld.

The Sunshine Coast is in Queensland BUT it hosts plenty of southerners that move there physically but maintain that they are superior to the "natives". (That is why Queensland State of Origin teams win out in the end.)

 

[Calliope]

The Sunshine Coast is in Queensland BUT it hosts plenty of southerners that move there physically but maintain that they are superior to the "natives".

More nitpicking.

Evidence?

I am Queensland born and bred. But I won't indulge in parochialism.

 

[Whiskers]

LOL at the ALP who got their lowest primary vote in a hundred years.

“He who knows all the answers has not been asked all the questions.”
― Confucius​

and

“Let no man pull you so low as to hate him.”
― Martin Luther King Jr.,​

It clouds your interpretation of the facts and the power of the information gleaned from them.

“Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.”
― Mark Twain ​

and...

“Never laugh at live dragons.”
― J.R.R. Tolkien ​

Preferential Voting System v first past the post
Firstly, know the rules of the game you play. This is a preferential voting system. Often a candidate doesn't win a clear majority in their own right. Hence, the person running second on primary votes often wins the seat on preferences. It's wise to understand the consequences of that.

You might have more people who will fight for you to the death than any one opponent, but if your opponents dislike you more than each other... you have a problem... you are outnumbered. That's the advantage of being diplomatic with more empathy.

Primary votes in particular does not equal seats in Parliament.
As someone mentioned earlier the primary vote for the two (actually it's three... the LNP is a coalition of Lib and National Party) main parties has been falling for some time to below 80%. Look at the history of Aus elections, particularly the differential between primary vote, even 2PP and seats held.

Senate must approve new legislation
The senate is still an obstacle to the LNP getting everything they want. Does your interpretation of the facts in a holistic interpretation of the information not suggest the people didn't give the LNP open slather to do what they want... ie they put conditional approval on the change of government?


“I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.”
― Albert Einstein

I think what he is saying is if you fight with hate in your heart, to win it all for the sake of winning... you ultimately destroy much or all of what people have worked to achieve... civilisation (or party unity and respect).

It's not the Political Party that's most important, but who they are and what they stand for... in the eyes of the only voters that count... the swing voter.

Respect the swing voter, for otherwise little or nothing will ever change or improve.

Do you really think the facts point to a total resounding affirmation for the coalition or a large part as swing to minors (including preferences) in protest against Labor disunity?

If you are gloating that Labor is crippled, my advice is watch your every step and keep a close watch on your back.

I'm sure Abbott is not banking on a 'crippled' labor. He carefully played a small target and avoided any knockout hits.

It's a "tricky" (pardon the pun) situation where I'm sure he knows he can make or break a longer term LNP government from the protest vote against Labor with the decisions he makes in the next three years.

It's the swing voters, esp those who swung from Labor that he must appease to in the first instance to last longer than one term, especially if Labor appoints a new well respected leader untainted from the back room faction dealing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Australia

 

[Calliope]

LOL at the ALP who got their lowest primary vote in a hundred years.

It is obvious you have been ticked off and lectured, AAA, for stating the obvious. How dare you further upset the losers.:shake:

 

[Whiskers]

It is obvious you have been ticked off and lectured, AAA, for stating the obvious. How dare you further upset the losers.:shake:

Sounds familiar to someone else with a domineering attitude, heart full of hate and defining criteria in life are winner and loser!

“If you win, you need not have to explain...If you lose, you should not be there to explain!”
― Adolf Hitler​

... and look where that got him!

 

[wayneL]

Whiskers I'm sure the Labor party might benefit from your repertoire of slogans and anecdotes, but as far as the coalition is concerned, they have a mandate to fulfil... and their supporters deserve to enjoy a bit of gloating, having been the victims of the same.

That said, over the decades the coalition side has revealed itself far more gracious than those opposite. It's the Fabians that need your help.