2010 Federal Election

Julia · 19 July 2010

Let's remember that "giving preferences" is just a recommendation to voters, and something that will go on the How to Vote cards.

It's still an individual voter choice. I don't know, but I'd imagine that of all voters Greens fans will be more likely to make their own decisions than necessarily follow like sheep what The Greens recommend.

That said, I guess most Greens voters are not going to be too likely to be handing preferences to the Opposition.

drsmith · 19 July 2010

Tony Abbott needs to focus his message on industrial relations.

If it's coalition policy not going to change IR laws for the term of the next government then that's all he needs to comment about.

Any tweaks within current IR laws should then be presented as a policy position.

noco · 19 July 2010

Calliope said:
Yes and Labor will give Greens preferences in the Senate, thus ensuring that the Greens will control the Senate and hamstring any Reps legislation they don't agree with.

This just shows the stupidity of Labor spin doctors getting their knickers in a knot about Abbott's Work Choices policies. The Greens hate the bosses even more than Labor.

The Coalition is on track to lose the election. They will probably be better off in Opposition than being hamstung in Government.

All legislation during the next term will be regressive.

Calliope, maybe the Australian public needs another good 3 years dose of Labor. It may keep them out for for two decades. If the Coalition wins they may only get one decade.

I just can't see any improvement in labor during the next 3 years. It will be the same old stuff ups, one after the other.

dutchie · 19 July 2010

noco said:
I just can't see any improvement in labor during the next 3 years. It will be the same old stuff ups, one after the other.

Your right there noco but the electorate can't understand that.

Australia Corp. can't afford to waste money again.

sails · 19 July 2010

Would that sweet, angelic face really waste Australia's money - the perfectly made up face, the perfected smile... Wonder how long it will last after the election.

She reminds me of a toddler who has made an awful mess and then give an angelic smile as if to say, "who me"... lol

No wonder she wants to "move forward". Just like a toddler she is probably hoping we will believe the smile and forget the numerous messes.

nioka · 19 July 2010

Where is Bill Hayden's drovers dog?. This is an election that he needs to be a candidate. Without a dog to vote for I will have to vote informal. I could not bring myself to vote for Abbott and I dont trust Gillard. Neither could compete with man's best friend so I need a dog to vote for. However even voting for the dog wouldn't work because I'd have to finally give a preference to one of the two parties.

The greens look like being the big winners here. They probably will end up with easily holding a balance of power in the senate. That is like giving the Nimbys the power over development applications. The democrats would have had a field day in this election if they hadn't selfdestructed.

Decisions, decisions, decisions. Only a few weeks to make up my mind. At present I look like writing "none of the above" on the ballot slip. Has anyone a sound reason (unbiased please) why I should not do just that.

P.S. It is a pity that stocks could not get as much coverage on a STOCK forum as does politics.

trainspotter · 19 July 2010

nioka said:
Where is Bill Hayden's drovers dog?. This is an election that he needs to be a candidate. Without a dog to vote for I will have to vote informal. I could not bring myself to vote for Abbott and I dont trust Gillard. Neither could compete with man's best friend so I need a dog to vote for. However even voting for the dog wouldn't work because I'd have to finally give a preference to one of the two parties.

The greens look like being the big winners here. They probably will end up with easily holding a balance of power in the senate. That is like giving the Nimbys the power over development applications. The democrats would have had a field day in this election if they hadn't selfdestructed.

Decisions, decisions, decisions. Only a few weeks to make up my mind. At present I look like writing "none of the above" on the ballot slip. Has anyone a sound reason (unbiased please) why I should not do just that.

P.S. It is a pity that stocks could not get as much coverage on a STOCK forum as does politics.

Got any stocks that are firing more than politics nioka and I will follow you. Have you heard of the "Property Council of Australia"? Had some great policy but failed due to infighting. The Greens will be the winners out of all this election stuff. Balance of power and other such like things. The likes of explod & Co will be the grinners and the winners. Hung parliament with the voting veto on a Green Army. Harumph.

UNLESS ...... Abbott or Gillard can have a decisive conflict which will sway the voting public. "Children Overboard" ...... "Tampa Affair" kind of thing will influence this decision. Can you see one? You have a very high IQ ? Anything on the horizon? Theorise.

P.S. WCR is a nobody cigar box share that has potential (no involvement and am not spruiking)

Julia · 19 July 2010

drsmith said:
Tony Abbott needs to focus his message on industrial relations.

If it's coalition policy not going to change IR laws for the term of the next government then that's all he needs to comment about.

Any tweaks within current IR laws should then be presented as a policy position.

That's right. Mr Abbott's big problem is that he seems to quite genuinely attempt to answer journalists' questions truthfully, and this gets him into trouble. They are adept at putting words into his mouth.
He needs to take a lesson from the government. They simply decide on a set phrase and repeat it ad nauseam in the face of any question at all.
Instead of getting sidetracked, as he did today, about e.g. "would he never, ever change the workplace relations laws?" where obviously no sane person would say this, he tried to explain his definition of maintaining Labor's legislation, and it all went wrong from there.

He really has a huge problem in expressing himself and that's just not acceptable in a Prime Minister.

sails said:
Would that sweet, angelic face really waste Australia's money - the perfectly made up face, the perfected smile... Wonder how long it will last after the election.

She reminds me of a toddler who has made an awful mess and then give an angelic smile as if to say, "who me"... lol

No wonder she wants to "move forward". Just like a toddler she is probably hoping we will believe the smile and forget the numerous messes.

I watched the 7.30 Report this evening, feeling just as you describe, Sails.
At the beginning of the interview, Kerry O'Brien seemed determined to not respond to her girlish sweet smile and gushing manner, but eventually he succumbed. The questions were asked in an oh so gentle manner, a completely different approach to that which he employs with male politicians.
Shame on him for the preferential treatment in the face of a bit of calculated charm.

nioka · 19 July 2010

trainspotter said:
Got any stocks that are firing more than politics nioka and I will follow you.

SDL. Came out of suspension today. I bought 200,000 on open at 11.5c. They closed the day at 12c but the good part is the final quotes. "buys" have more in the 11.5c and 11c than the total of all the sells at any price. good fundamental prospects as I see them.

BUL. I see great potential for this coal seam gas. I bought again at 14c.( As you know I intend to turn $5,000 into $50,000 in two years with BUL and thats no BULL.)

EKA. Sold ex rights to the SPP today and maintained their price. Analyst reports say they are underpriced. I am accumulating them. My choice for the best short term investment for $1500.

AUT. Refer to the AUT discussion threads. Great potential here in my view.( plenty of ASF politics here also and it is interesting that I started the AUT discussion exactly 4 years ago. Doesn't time fly when you are having fun.)

LYC. The basket price of rare earths keep increasing. China restricting exports of these vital elements and Lynas getting closer to production and well ahead of any competition.

CER. Owning valuable realestate with a very good chance that its funding probems are under control and priced well below NTA where those assets have been valued way down because of the GFC. Valuations are way below replacement value and no value is placed on the considerable goodwill.

VPG. Similar to CER.

EDE. Waiting the results of trials of its Hythane fuel with extensive trials in India and California.

TAS. Interesting prospecting in a large area next to Olympic dam. Also a major shareholder in EDE who have other interests apart from Hythane.

However please do your own research. I'm often wrong and have a few dogs to prove it. I usually only talk about stocks that I am prepared to put money into and I have plenty at risk with all these.

wayneL · 19 July 2010

nioka said:
Where is Bill Hayden's drovers dog?. This is an election that he needs to be a candidate. Without a dog to vote for I will have to vote informal. I could not bring myself to vote for Abbott and I dont trust Gillard. Neither could compete with man's best friend so I need a dog to vote for. However even voting for the dog wouldn't work because I'd have to finally give a preference to one of the two parties.

The greens look like being the big winners here. They probably will end up with easily holding a balance of power in the senate. That is like giving the Nimbys the power over development applications. The democrats would have had a field day in this election if they hadn't selfdestructed.

Decisions, decisions, decisions. Only a few weeks to make up my mind. At present I look like writing "none of the above" on the ballot slip. Has anyone a sound reason (unbiased please) why I should not do just that.

P.S. It is a pity that stocks could not get as much coverage on a STOCK forum as does politics.

Australia needs a secular classical liberal party (i.e. a proper liberal party, not a conservative one such as family first) like we have in NZ to counter the greens www.act.org.nz

IMO

nioka · 19 July 2010

wayneL said:
Australia needs a secular classical liberal party (i.e. a proper liberal party, not a conservative one such as family first) like we have in NZ to counter the greens www.act.org.nz

IMO

I'm beginning to think we need "One Nation" back just to spoil the party and get things fired up. I have never in my many years been so disgusted with politicians.

sinner · 19 July 2010

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...tony-abbott-says/story-e6freo8c-1225812010013

All kids must read the Bible, federal Opposition Leader Tony Abbott says

BIBLE classes should be compulsory so children have a fundamental understanding of Christianity on leaving school, Tony Abbott says.

"I think everyone should have some familiarity with the great texts that are at the core of our civilisation," said the Federal Opposition leader.

"That includes, most importantly, the Bible.

"I think it would be impossible to have a good general education without at least some serious familiarity with the Bible and with the teachings of Christianity.

"That doesn't mean that people have to be believers."

But former Howard government Islamic advisor Dr Ameer Ali, said Mr Abbott's remarks were "over the top".

So_Cynical · 19 July 2010

It only occurred to me today that its almost an absolute certainty that Tony Abbott has only got 35 days left as opposition leader...he will concede late on election nite and step down and declare the leadership vacant.

So im wondering what the right wing of the ASF thinks will happen next, Hockey, Abbott, Bishop Turnbull its a hell of a choice.

sails · 19 July 2010

Julia said:
That's right. Mr Abbott's big problem is that he seems to quite genuinely attempt to answer journalists' questions truthfully, and this gets him into trouble. They are adept at putting words into his mouth.
He needs to take a lesson from the government. They simply decide on a set phrase and repeat it ad nauseam in the face of any question at all.
Instead of getting sidetracked, as he did today, about e.g. "would he never, ever change the workplace relations laws?" where obviously no sane person would say this, he tried to explain his definition of maintaining Labor's legislation, and it all went wrong from there.

He really has a huge problem in expressing himself and that's just not acceptable in a Prime Minister.

I agree, Julia. His lack of being able to express himself is one of his biggest drawbacks. He seems to be trying hard - haven't noticed quite so many " aahs" lately. That type of habit can be difficult to break quickly so he'd have to be putting in a fair bit of effort.

However, I guess it really comes down to the policies of each party. Leaders can be quickly removed - 24 hours or less is all it takes. So there's no point it being a popularity contest.

Our choice is clearly between another three years of the same costly labor mistakes and backflips or give fiscal management back to the libs.

I watched the 7.30 Report this evening, feeling just as you describe, Sails.
At the beginning of the interview, Kerry O'Brien seemed determined to not respond to her girlish sweet smile and gushing manner, but eventually he succumbed. The questions were asked in an oh so gentle manner, a completely different approach to that which he employs with male politicians.
Shame on him for the preferential treatment in the face of a bit of calculated charm.

I didn't watch it, Julia. I am so disgusted by the charade that I usually walk away when she comes on...

nioka · 19 July 2010

So_Cynical said:
So im wondering what the right wing of the ASF thinks will happen next,

Right wing? Left wing? Do we have a union and a union rep? And here was me thinking we only had right wingers with a few not so right.

Datsun Disguise · 19 July 2010

nioka said:
P.S. It is a pity that stocks could not get as much coverage on a STOCK forum as does politics.

:iagree:
I almost started a thread asking if ASF could really continue to be called ASF when the general chat outnumbers stock chat by 2 to 1. But I would have been perpetuating the problem.

sorry :topic

drsmith · 19 July 2010

So_Cynical said:
It only occurred to me today that its almost an absolute certainty that Tony Abbott has only got 35 days left as opposition leader...he will concede late on election nite and step down and declare the leadership vacant.

So im wondering what the right wing of the ASF thinks will happen next, Hockey, Abbott, Bishop Turnbull its a hell of a choice.

That will be 35 days longer than Julia's stint as opposition leader when Tony wins the keys to the lodge.

Julia · 20 July 2010

wayneL said:
Australia needs a secular classical liberal party (i.e. a proper liberal party, not a conservative one such as family first) like we have in NZ to counter the greens www.act.org.nz

IMO

ACT is headed by Roger Douglas, known for "Rogernomics", isn't it Wayne?
As I recall it's very, very ultra Right. They have moderated their approach in recent years. Do they have seats in Parliament?

Calliope · 20 July 2010

Julia said:
That's right. Mr Abbott's big problem is that he seems to quite genuinely attempt to answer journalists' questions truthfully, and this gets him into trouble. They are adept at putting words into his mouth.
He needs to take a lesson from the government. They simply decide on a set phrase and repeat it ad nauseam in the face of any question at all.
Instead of getting sidetracked, as he did today, about e.g. "would he never, ever change the workplace relations laws?" where obviously no sane person would say this, he tried to explain his definition of maintaining Labor's legislation, and it all went wrong from there.

He really has a huge problem in expressing himself and that's just not acceptable in a Prime Minister.

Abbott is lurching from one disaster to another. His pledge not to change Fair Work Australia rolleyes is crazy. He is deserting his constituency and kowtowing to the unions. If the unions are going to roll him in the election, he could at least go down with his principles intact and not appear so spineless.

I'm afraid his days are numbered. Liberal candidates are not putting his face on their election material.

The debate with Gillard on Sunday will further expose him as a ditherer. She will play with him like a cat with a mouse, while smiling sweetly.

Blitzed · 20 July 2010

I'm very upset at this union commercial..

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