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Agree with IFocus right up until the Katter statement. Only this part ...... When Katter talks he talks straight from the heart, I like the man"
It looks to me that on the surface Labor has been far more adept at the negotiations and discussions with the independents.
Labor hasn't conducted any negative discussion in public and over all looks far more able to govern with a minority much in the same way Steve Bracks did successfully in Victoria with the support of rural independents sound familiar.
Bracks won a second term with a land slide victory.
The federal coalition on the other hand currently sound desperate and critical of all concerned along with outlandish pork barreling a sign of their lack of commitment to the core principles required to govern.
Abbotts partisan, aggressive, bust though behavior in opposition has had outstanding results for the coalition but just wont cut it in government.
In Government you actually have to work with everyone Rudd is a great example of what happens when you don't.
After reading up on Katter I wont be surprised if he joins Labor as his forebears were very much Labor people of high moral principles. When Katter talks he talks straight from the heart, I like the man.
My nickname is due to my South African background. Nothing to do with rural independents.
Lunacy is policies like devalue the Aussie dollar, break-up Coles/Woolies, protect inefficent rural industries etc. Well intentioned but come on.
Nothing against the indepedents as human beings. Seem like a decent and sincere bunch of grass roots politicians.
Tonight on ABC Radio's "PM" Saul Eslake was asked to evaluate Mr Katter's wishlist. He very politely made it clear it was almost entirely nonsensical.My nickname is due to my South African background. Nothing to do with rural independents.
Lunacy is policies like devalue the Aussie dollar, break-up Coles/Woolies, protect inefficent rural industries etc. Well intentioned but come on.
Perhaps so, but still three blokes who are clearly thoroughly enjoying their burst of fame, something they'd normally never have envisaged.othing against the indepedents as human beings. Seem like a decent and sincere bunch of grass roots politicians.
Absolutely correct. For this Andrew Wilkie is to be admired.Of course the actual reality was that Andrew Wilkie was totally accurate in his analysis of Iraqs non existent weapons of mass destruction. It was Howard who was trying to protect a dishonest position by attempting to destroy the whistle blower Andrew Wilkie.
Yep, I feel the same. It will make little difference to me personally who wins.Anyone considered the outcome of all of this? HUH?
I don't really give a flying fox who wins or loses. What good of it if the country is in a mexican standoff? It doesn't matter. If either party wins the country is deadlocked. Labor wins it is blocked. Liberal wins it is constipated.
None of this on a political scale is palatable. IMO
Mr Wilkie is choosing to ignore this, of course, preferring to bathe in the hubris of his new found power.*YAWN* .... *STRETCH* .... wahhhhhh ??? So it wasn't the Liberal preferences that got him across the line?? He is there on the off chance of pure luck. Not because he stood up for what is right or wrong.
Labor won the primary vote, dear heart, in his electorate. May he well remember that !
I agree with you on this. If I were one of the independents, I'd have more respect for the party who stood ready to answer questions honestly (?impossible?), without making aggressive approaches. For the Libs to be getting aggressive at this stage is somewhat insulting to the independents, a bit like the way both parties treated voters during the interminable election campaign.It looks to me that on the surface Labor has been far more adept at the negotiations and discussions with the independents.
Labor hasn't conducted any negative discussion in public and over all looks far more able to govern with a minority much in the same way Steve Bracks did successfully in Victoria with the support of rural independents sound familiar.
The federal coalition on the other hand currently sound desperate and critical of all concerned along with outlandish pork barreling a sign of their lack of commitment to the core principles required to govern.
Abbotts partisan, aggressive, bust though behavior in opposition has had outstanding results for the coalition but just wont cut it in government.
In Government you actually have to work with everyone Rudd is a great example of what happens when you don't.
Do you equally like his protectionist policies? It's fine to think you'd like the bloke, but that isn't what this is about.After reading up on Katter I wont be surprised if he joins Labor as his forebears were very much Labor people of high moral principles. When Katter talks he talks straight from the heart, I like the
man.
Do you equally like his protectionist policies? It's fine to think you'd like the bloke, but that isn't what this is about.
What's this!...the ASF right and other deniers accepting the inevitable defeat? at the hands of the superior political operators...there seems to be an acceptance coming over this thread that the coalition hierarchy simply hasn't got the political will to actually govern.
LOL its just like Costello and Howard all over again....the failure to accept political reality seems to be the coalitions Achilles heel, the obvious seems easy to do but the reality of actually bending to accommodate the 3 amigos is just to much to bear.
Deniers of what?What's this!...the ASF right and other deniers accepting the inevitable defeat?
What's this!...the ASF right and other deniers accepting the inevitable defeat? at the hands of the superior political operators...there seems to be an acceptance coming over this thread that the coalition hierarchy simply hasn't got the political will to actually govern.
LOL its just like Costello and Howard all over again....the failure to accept political reality seems to be the coalitions Achilles heel, the obvious seems easy to do but the reality of actually bending to accommodate the 3 amigos is just to much to bear.
Deniers of what?
I just detest that expression.
Still laughing at "superior political operators" comment ...
What's this!...the ASF right and other deniers accepting the inevitable defeat? at the hands of the superior political operators...there seems to be an acceptance coming over this thread that the coalition hierarchy simply hasn't got the political will to actually govern.
LOL its just like Costello and Howard all over again....the failure to accept political reality seems to be the coalitions Achilles heel, the obvious seems easy to do but the reality of actually bending to accommodate the 3 amigos is just to much to bear.
SC, this is a situation that will lead to another election in another 3 months, TOPS. The ALP looks to be achieving a one seat majority, which is doomed to fail. No Govt is workable in this situation, all is takes is one defector.
The Greens will be decimated in the Senate in the next (soon!) election for being a bunch of twats and tea-baggers
I see it this way...Labor has on the one hand the Greens to pull them to the extreme left and on the other (with luck) the 3 amigos voting as a block to pull them to the centre right (balance that the coaition dosent have)...a 2 seat majority? and control of the senate, the trick will then be to simply make sure no legislation comes up that will be a deal breaker.
Do a health deal, a pokies deal, gay marriages, parliamentary reform...and leave the potential climate deal breaker for last...thing is that its Labor that's sticking its neck out and taking the political chance's that the coalition wont....and they will reap the political rewards if they can pull it off.
SC, this is a situation that will lead to another election in another 3 months, TOPS. The ALP looks to be achieving a one seat majority, which is doomed to fail. No Govt is workable in this situation, all is takes is one defector.
The Greens will be decimated in the Senate in the next (soon!) election for being a bunch of twats and tea-baggers.... not least of all for wanting to reintroduce death duty, plus mining taxes and carbon tax, which as sure as i am drunk ATM will cripple Aus mining. This is an irrefutible comment. They will pay in the long run, their power makes the public feel good ATM because it's PC to lick ass of the flavour of the month. Mark my words they will be decimated soon enough when voters realiose they have gone too far (do the Democrats ring a bell?). Life is a pendulum SC, we swing too far one way, then too far the other. As sure as eggs, the Greens will face political armaggedon soon enough. And i, for one, will be laughing my head off when Gillard falls.
Hell, what would i know? I'm just a W.A. voter who is sick of propping up the septic tank economies of Vic And NSW, no wonder you guys are the sronghold of federal ALP voters, easy to take GST money ripped out of WA.
Disc: this post was based purely on alcohol, and stands to be ripped apart, i have no qualms with this
Little Johnny had to go,
Calliope, you are just waffling and showing your usual bias.
Sounds good to me, rave away Springhill. Thankfully, next March, the tragic NSW Labor govt will be shown the door.From Springhill:
Hell, what would i know? I'm just a W.A. voter who is sick of propping up the septic tank economies of Vic And NSW, no wonder you guys are the sronghold of federal ALP voters, easy to take GST money ripped out of WA.
No offense but I believe your post would be more appropriate in the drunken rant thread.
As for WA propping up the Eastern states with their G.S.T, it would be more accurate that g.s.t collected from NSW & Victoria (with their higher population and consumption) have been the highest contributors of G.S.T which has then been disproportionaly apportioned to the other states such as W.A and Qld.
IMO, bring on the tax on mining super profits. The contribution from W.A major mining super profitable ventures will help reimburse the rest of Australia for stumping up the initial capital for infrastructure that enable W.A to be developed in the first place.
Yes the record needed to be corrected. No coincidence that the Royalties to the Regions concept genesis was in WA.Whoooooaaaa there....Not quite accurate....Did you know....Western Australia 's overseas exports accounted for 60% of the nations total exports. WHICH ARE TAXED on a state and Federal level which gets shared to the rest of Australia.....
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