Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

[luutzu]

Tunnels son
Coming from Vietnamese this made me laugh.
I know a viet guy that tunneled under the road to the house opposite just to grow pot in that house.

Its amazing whats underneath your feet.

Terror Tunnels... yea, wouldn't we love it too if prisoners just don't do anything to protect themselves or to fight back. They all ought to go about their business above ground and accept the fact that the noblest army in the world will only take their bad apples out whenever it wants to. Maybe mow the lawn every couple years.

Mowing lawns is hard work. Should make it as easy and as safe as possible. Even if the lawn are buildings with people in it.

Anyway, for argument's sake, let's assume that all Palestinians are terrorists and Trump hates terrorist more than he hate just about anyone that doesn't have money he can get his tiny hands on... there are international conventions where you do not strike at hospitals and the wounded. Cutting funding to dying people... what a draft dodging hero.

 

[SirRumpole]

The story was the reflections of a woman who worked with Donald Trump as a very senior exective for 10 years. She tells of a man who orders his employees to do impossible or quite illegal or totally stoopid tasks. The employees have to learn to ignore many of the worst ideas to save Don's neck. But they still get slammed for not arbitarily sacking somone or not putting the Braille dots in Trump Tower.

This is just another observation of what sort of leader he is. And incidentally it talllies almost identically with the comments made by all the people who have written books on the Trump administration.

It seems from the comments of almost everyone who works with that an unrestrained Donald Trump
is a clear and present danger as President.

So if it was agin the law not to have braille in the building why has no one complained and forced him to pull the building down ?

 

[moXJO]

Anyway, for argument's sake, let's assume that all Palestinians are terrorists

Thats not the argument, shouldn't be the assumption and isn't the the truth. Many jews and Palestinians are fine with each other and are ready to make a compromise.

You have extremists both sides. You also have money pouring in from different sources that further muddy the waters.

Trump is already a proven asshat. Yeah I get it. I got it from day one of the thread.
He gets things done and isn't scared to drop idiotic deals. I'm glad he is torching a lot of it.

 

[SirRumpole]

He gets things done and isn't scared to drop idiotic deals. I'm glad he is torching a lot of it.

Yeh, idiotic things like western democratic alliances against the red hordes of Russia and China, and then cosying up to Russia.

Is he a Siberian candidate or what ?

 

[moXJO]

The 5M refugees figure came from UNWRA. That's how many Palestinians lost their land, pushed into refugees camps... some half of them were born and grew up inside the camps too.

Hamas are the wrong political party, i.e. terrorists, in Gaza. Gaza is completely cut off from everyone and everything as prisoners in a concentration camp ought to be. I think the stats is about 1% of them get to have permission from Israeli to "travel" outside of Gaza a year.

Its way more than half. That number was blown right out of proportion. A lot of those "refugees" are born and bred in other countries. This is what a big part of the arguments are about.

I'm sure its being pushed to be dismantled anyway.

 

[moXJO]

Yeh, idiotic things like western democratic alliances against the red hordes of Russia and China, and then cosying up to Russia.

Is he a Siberian candidate or what ?

Trump has put pressure on china more than anyone else has.Obama dropped the ball for 8 fricken years with his "bend over and take it" approach. He also said certain jobs were lost to the US. That wasn't true, oh... unless you are a globalist.

He sanctioned russia as well I thought.


I'd be more worried about all those Chinese "scientific centers" popping up in the antarctic then bleating about trump stomping on pansies feelings.

 

[SirRumpole]

I'd be more worried about all those Chinese "scientific centers" popping up in the antarctic

And what has Trump done about those if they are such a concern to you?

 

[luutzu]

Its way more than half. That number was blown right out of proportion. A lot of those "refugees" are born and bred in other countries. This is what a big part of the arguments are about.

I'm sure its being pushed to be dismantled anyway.

They're born and bred in refugee camps outside of Israel. In places like Jordan and Lebanon.
Within Israel's immediate concentration camps, they're warehoused in Gaza and all over the West Bank.

But since they're Muslims, they never wanted peace so Trump is making a better deal.

 

[luutzu]

Trump has put pressure on china more than anyone else has.Obama dropped the ball for 8 fricken years with his "bend over and take it" approach. He also said certain jobs were lost to the US. That wasn't true, oh... unless you are a globalist.

He sanctioned russia as well I thought.


I'd be more worried about all those Chinese "scientific centers" popping up in the antarctic then bleating about trump stomping on pansies feelings.

What pressure on China? Tariffs on their exports to the US?

Most of those exports are from American corporations anyway. Those who will feel it most will be the average American consumers, not the Chinese.

Trump is simply raising a consumption tax on Americans, masking it as some sort of tough stance against China.

You can raise 500% tax on most Chinese imports and they'd still be cheaper than if those same ones are made in the US. So if Trump is serious about creating American jobs from this tariff, his policies will either fail or will need to create an environment where the American workers are being paid at the same level as the typical Chinese slave labourer, with environmental destruction included in the bargain.

There's talk of another "Tax Reform" coming before the November mid-term. I guess a trillion and a half in the first year isn't enough.


As to China... Obama at least know that you cannot fight wars on all fronts.

That's why he stopped starving the Iranians, let them sell their oil to Europe, open up trade with EU... make a friendlier Muslim country as the US pivot to Asia to contain China.

Now, Trump not only upset the EU by not permitting them to trade with Iran, he's forcing them to buy more expensive energy from approved friends only.

That not only weaken the EU economically, it potentially increase the risk of social unrest; less cash available for NATO and other adventures they're forced to join...

Then pizzing off Iran who will fund terrorism all over the Middle East to keep their enemies busier and less focused on Tehran.

i.e. he tie down the EU and a large chunk of American forces in the Middle East.

And oh, starting a new frontier in space. Jesus. Aren't they already up there?

Meanwhile, China is free to roam. Literally building bridges and sea lanes wherever they like.

 

[moXJO]

They're born and bred in refugee camps outside of Israel. In places like Jordan and Lebanon.
Within Israel's immediate concentration camps, they're warehoused in Gaza and all over the West Bank.

But since they're Muslims, they never wanted peace so Trump is making a better deal.

No they are not. And the kirk ammendment will hopefully clarify.
The argument causing the problem has been how many actually refugees are there.

UNRWA has been using a definition that includes descendants of refugees. The other U.N. bodies do not include descendants in their definition.

 

[moXJO]

What pressure on China? Tariffs on their exports to the US?

Most of those exports are from American corporations anyway. Those who will feel it most will be the average American consumers, not the Chinese.

Trump is simply raising a consumption tax on Americans, masking it as some sort of tough stance against China.

You can raise 500% tax on most Chinese imports and they'd still be cheaper than if those same ones are made in the US. So if Trump is serious about creating American jobs from this tariff, his policies will either fail or will need to create an environment where the American workers are being paid at the same level as the typical Chinese slave labourer, with environmental destruction included in the bargain.

There's talk of another "Tax Reform" coming before the November mid-term. I guess a trillion and a half in the first year isn't enough.


As to China... Obama at least know that you cannot fight wars on all fronts.

That's why he stopped starving the Iranians, let them sell their oil to Europe, open up trade with EU... make a friendlier Muslim country as the US pivot to Asia to contain China.

Now, Trump not only upset the EU by not permitting them to trade with Iran, he's forcing them to buy more expensive energy from approved friends only.

That not only weaken the EU economically, it potentially increase the risk of social unrest; less cash available for NATO and other adventures they're forced to join...

Then pizzing off Iran who will fund terrorism all over the Middle East to keep their enemies busier and less focused on Tehran.

i.e. he tie down the EU and a large chunk of American forces in the Middle East.

And oh, starting a new frontier in space. Jesus. Aren't they already up there?

Meanwhile, China is free to roam. Literally building bridges and sea lanes wherever they like.

We are throwing in with india. Thats trumps strategy. Build up india. I'm sure you can literally search the strategy. Thats where the whole "indo pacific" thing came from.
The new shift is china and Russia are the challenges and attention is focused on them.

Economic pressure
China is vulnerable. It would have been better earlier (like under obama). But better late then never.

Iran is hit with sanctions and has instability. Saudi Arabia will fan the flames.

 

[moXJO]

And what has Trump done about those if they are such a concern to you?

See above....
US can no longer do the heavy lifting I'm afraid. That doesn't mean there is no strategy.

 

[luutzu]

No they are not. And the kirk ammendment will hopefully clarify.
The argument causing the problem has been how many actually refugees are there.

UNRWA has been using a definition that includes descendants of refugees. The other U.N. bodies do not include descendants in their definition.

Maybe the other UN agencies don't because they never have a situation where generations of refugees still remain refugees and living in refugee camps.

Have you seen that old interview with former NATO general Wesley Clark?

Of the countries in the Middle East/N.Africa he said he was told the Pentagon plan to take out... just about all of them have been helped. Next on the list is Iran.

 

[moXJO]

Maybe the other UN agencies don't because they never have a situation where generations of refugees still remain refugees and living in refugee camps.

Have you seen that old interview with former NATO general Wesley Clark?

Of the countries in the Middle East/N.Africa he said he was told the Pentagon plan to take out... just about all of them have been helped. Next on the list is Iran.

Israel will never allow 5 million to settle. Thats a big part of the problem and the UNRWA knows it. They oversee big money a year as well, hundreds of $millions.

 

[moXJO]

Have you seen that old interview with former NATO general Wesley Clark?

Of the countries in the Middle East/N.Africa he said he was told the Pentagon plan to take out... just about all of them have been helped. Next on the list is Iran.

I don't think I have. I'll have to look it up sounds interesting.

 

[luutzu]

Israel will never allow 5 million to settle. Thats a big part of the problem and the UNRWA knows it. They oversee big money a year as well, hundreds of $millions.

Sure they wouldn't allow it. God would want the land to be kept pure.

But problem for Israel is... if they're not pushing for American taxpayers' cash to drip feed the Palestinians, do they seriously think the EU and countries like Japan will step in? For how long?

Those countries can just end the support, do more to raise international awareness, play the political theatre... then will force Israel to end its ambition for a purely Jewish state... aka Apartheid.

If that doesn't happen and you've taken away all hope and nutrition from a population... they would just quietly go away or start more noise?

 

[SirRumpole]

Another Trump aide pleads guilty to fraud and money laundering.

The empire continues to crumble.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-...-to-pleads-guilty-to-avoid-new-trial/10250054

 

[Darc Knight]

I didn't realise that the Investigators were also looking into the use of troll farms by Trump supporters on Social Media. We've all seen it here, but you notice it everywhere.
If the Russians are caught doing it, what can they do? I think at a local level, its moreso just Trump supporters who admire Trump and who try to emulate his lying and twisting of facts and words. But then, what can the Investigators do?

 

[moXJO]

I didn't realise that the Investigators were also looking into the use of troll farms by Trump supporters on Social Media. We've all seen it here, but you notice it everywhere.
If the Russians are caught doing it, what can they do? I think at a local level, its moreso just Trump supporters who admire Trump and who try to emulate his lying and twisting of facts and words. But then, what can the Investigators do?

Dark you have added nothing to any conversation but trolling. You have misrepresented any truth. Have provided maybe a third of any story you quote and stretched any facts.
A lot of you guys throw up articles with zero understanding of the charges or when they took place.

Puddle depth posting.

 

[Darc Knight]

Dark you have added nothing to any conversation but trolling. You have misrepresented any truth. Have provided maybe a third of any story you quote and stretched any facts.
A lot of you guys throw up articles with zero understanding of the charges or when they took place.

Puddle depth posting.

"There are two big cases in this category — the “Russian troll farm” indictment (alleging a social media propaganda effort aimed at influencing the election) and the email hacking indictment (alleging that 12 Russian intelligence officers were involved in hacking and leaking Democrats’ emails)."

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2018/9/14/17850596/manafort-cooperation-flip-mueller-trump-russia