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You wouldn't want to a black guy with that attitude... you'd be dead with a gun in your hand and ice in your boot. Case closed.

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It could only happen in America
Woman accidentally shot dead during Florida police academy exercise
Mary Knowlton, 73, killed after being struck by live round as part of exercise meant to give guidance on how police approach real-world confrontations

Tom Kutsch

Wed 10 Aug 2016 13.46 BST First published on Wed 10 Aug 2016 12.10 BST



717.jpgMary Knowlton was a student on a course for civilians at the Punta Gorda police academy. Photograph: Facebook
A 73-year old woman was killed during a police community seminar on Tuesday in Punta Gorda, Florida, during a routine training exercise.

Mary Knowlton was taking part in a police-hosted informational meeting by the Punta Gorda police academy, when she was fatally shot during an exercise that was supposed to simulate a hypothetical crisis situation.

The “shoot/don’t shoot” scenario – a demonstration that was part of a two-hourCitizens Police Academy event – is intended give guidance about how police determine when to use lethal force in a potentially deadly, real-world confrontation.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...t-dead-during-florida-police-academy-exercise
 

Jahseh Dwayne Onfroy (January 23, 1998 – June 18, 2018),[6] known by his stage name XXXTentacion(/ˌɛksˌɛksˌɛksˌtɛntəsˈjɒn/),[7] was an American rapper, singer and songwriter.
Onfroy was shot and killed on June 18, 2018, in Deerfield Beach, Florida.[6]

Born and raised in Plantation, Florida, Onfroy spent most of his childhood in Lauderhill. He began writing music after being released from a youth correction center[8] and eventually released his first song on the audio distribution platform SoundCloud in June 2013, titled "News/Flock". He was a popular figure in SoundCloud rap, a trap scene that takes elements of lo-fi music and harsh 808s.[9][10][11]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XXXTentacion

Rapper XXXTentacion killed in drive-by shooting



 
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Travon Da Shawn Frank Smart (January 13, 1997 – June 18, 2018),[1] better known by his stage name Jimmy Wopo, was an American rapper from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

On June 18, 2018, around 2:30 p.m., Wopo was found shot in the face in the Hill District neighborhood of Pittsburgh. The shooting was a drive-by and Wopo's vehicle was struck multiple times. Another person, who was in the car with Wopo, was also shot but survived and is in stable condition.[12] Wopo later died at a local hospital.[13] He was 21 years old. His death was just a few hours later, on the same day as the murder of Florida rapper XXXTentacion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Wopo

 
AT LEAST FIVE PEOPLE WERE KILLED
At least five people were killed when a gunman started shooting in the newsroom of the Capital Gazette newspaper, according to multiple news reports.
http://www.legacy.com/news/celebrit...article/capital-gazette-shooting-victims-2018
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/28/us/capital-gazette-annapolis-shooting.html
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Maryland police officers block the intersection near the building entrance, after multiple people were shot at the Capital Gazette newspaper office in Annapolis, Md., on Thursday.
 
The loonie media will probably try to cane the NRA again, seems that the law abiding gun owners cop the flack every time there is a shooting.

Just out of interest, the NRA has about 6 million members and around 78% of them actually own a firearm.

Crimes committed by current members of the NRA are actually less than crimes committed by current members of the police force but those facts don't sell newspapers !
 
Boggo said:
The loonie media will probably try to cane the NRA again, seems that the law abiding gun owners cop the flack every time there is a shooting.
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Of all the US shootings that made headlines over the last few years, I have never heard one report blaming law abiding gun owners.

The blame has mainly been placed on the easy accessibility of guns particularly by those who are young, mentally unstable or terrorist orientated. The easy accessibility of guns can be laid squarely at the feet of the NRA, its lobbyists and those in congress who accept funding from them.
 
bellenuit said:
The blame has mainly been placed on the easy accessibility of guns particularly by those who are young, mentally unstable or terrorist orientated. The easy accessibility of guns can be laid squarely at the feet of the NRA, its lobbyists and those in congress who accept funding from them.
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Is this too difficult (or too easy.. ) to understand ?
 
bellenuit said:
Of all the US shootings that made headlines over the last few years, I have never heard one report blaming law abiding gun owners.

The blame has mainly been placed on the easy accessibility of guns particularly by those who are young, mentally unstable or terrorist orientated. The easy accessibility of guns can be laid squarely at the feet of the NRA, its lobbyists and those in congress who accept funding from them.
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The NRA are trying to protect the right of legitimate licensed gun owners to own what they see fit, but yes, it is way too easy for anyone to get a gun over there.

The media and pollies respond to fear and misguided comments by the vocal loonie minority.

A recent example here was the Adler shotgun where they limited it from 8 shot to 5 shot to make it "safe".

As for the pollies, an example was John Howard wearing a vest standing up in front of shooters who can shoot a kangaroo in the head at 100 metres on a foggy night :roflmao:

Worthwhile watching a program called "Dope" on Netflix. It's about the drug problem in America but really shows where the real gun problem is. In one example there are two 10 year old kids distributing drugs, one is carrying a pistol to protect the other !!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe they should make all guns illegal, it's working well for drugs :rolleyes:
 
Pro-gun types can come up with all sorts of excuses, or manipulate statistics or whatnot to support their agenda, but to me the facts are very clear. More guns = more homicides & more mass shootings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

USA: 5.35 intentional homicides per 100,000 inhabitants (ranked higher than almost any other developed country)

Australia: 0.94 per 100,000
 
Junior said:
Pro-gun types can come up with all sorts of excuses, or manipulate statistics or whatnot to support their agenda, but to me the facts are very clear. More guns = more homicides & more mass shootings.
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Very generic statement. I guess I would be classed as a "pro-gun type" since I was 13 years old when I had to spend most nights in a field knocking off foxes before they got to the lambs.

Most of the vocal/keyboard loonies wouldn't have a friggin clue what happens or exists West of Katoomba.

Saw this comment recently, applies to a lot the shortsighted views of the vocal minority...

I actually think the city/green folk have it worked out. They have created an environment that nothing wants to live in except themselves.
Anything that they class as a pest is exterminated and habitat removed to stop any further infestation.
In their own little micro climate they consume resources and produce very little.
Within this micro climate they also believe they have knowledge on everything outside of it but whats astonishing is they also want to have control over it too.
 
A third of the world's guns are in the USA, and as a result, they have these mass shootings every week. Often in schools.

I'm not saying confiscate all guns. I'm saying make it difficult/impossible to get ahold of a gun unless you have a legitimate use or need for one, and background checks have been done.

It seems to have been very effective here in Australia.
 
Boggo said:
Very generic statement. I guess I would be classed as a "pro-gun type" since I was 13 years old when I had to spend most nights in a field knocking off foxes before they got to the lambs.

Most of the vocal/keyboard loonies wouldn't have a friggin clue what happens or exists West of Katoomba.

Saw this comment recently, applies to a lot the shortsighted views of the vocal minority...

I actually think the city/green folk have it worked out. They have created an environment that nothing wants to live in except themselves.
Anything that they class as a pest is exterminated and habitat removed to stop any further infestation.
In their own little micro climate they consume resources and produce very little.
Within this micro climate they also believe they have knowledge on everything outside of it but whats astonishing is they also want to have control over it too.
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I don't think we're talking about farmers owning firearms. There's an obvious practical use there, and that's not the issue.

Someone with documented mental health problems, easily being able to very easily walk into a shop and purchase a gun, then going and mowing down a bunch of civilians is obviously not an acceptable state of affairs.
 
Junior said:
A third of the world's guns are in the USA, and as a result, they have these mass shootings every week. Often in schools.

I'm not saying confiscate all guns. I'm saying make it difficult/impossible to get ahold of a gun unless you have a legitimate use or need for one, and background checks have been done.

It seems to have been very effective here in Australia.
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Plus the idea that if you have been convicted of any crime of violence or have made threats against anyone, or you have mental health issues, your licence is cancelled and your guns are confiscated.
 
Junior said:
I'm not saying confiscate all guns. I'm saying make it difficult/impossible to get ahold of a gun unless you have a legitimate use or need for one, and background checks have been done.

It seems to have been very effective here in Australia.
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Licensed and responsible gun owners would agree 100% with that statement. The "right" to just walk in off the street (as is the case in some US states) is just asking for trouble and when it goes wrong it affects the law abiding owners more than anyone.

In Australia the procedure is effective but some of the conditions/restrictions (eg Adler) is sometimes silly.

As someone else said, in Australia it is ok to protect paper money with a firearm but it is offensive and illegal for a female to carry an ounce of pepper spray for personal protection :(
 
Junior said:
Pro-gun types can come up with all sorts of excuses, or manipulate statistics or whatnot to support their agenda, but to me the facts are very clear. More guns = more homicides & more mass shootings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

USA: 5.35 intentional homicides per 100,000 inhabitants (ranked higher than almost any other developed country)

Australia: 0.94 per 100,000
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Venezuela didn't they take all the guns away?
57.15 homicides per 100k

US is number 81 on the list of homicides.
 

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