Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

[luutzu]

Yeah but why specifically the US? Or Australia? Or any of the other rich Western Nations they specifically target?

Why not other places congruent with their language, religion, culture etc?

Maybe they believe that the US is that city on the hill. All bright, shiny and full of justice and equality.

That or practically all other S/American countries are suffering from the same fate. Been made into Banana Republics with land sold off to foreign corporations to more productively exploit.

Most of the world's refugees flee to their nearest neighbours. That's just a fact. You can look it up.

It's only a handful, a big handful because there are so many of them now, but a small fraction of them that managed to get to Western countries.

Like I quoted before, there are some 2 million refugees in Lebanon. That's about half its population. Most from Palestine, a large increase from Syria, Iraq recently.

There's about 1M in Iran. Fleeing from Iraq and Afghanistan. There's even Syrian refugees in Iraq, fleeing the flare up in Syria.

Do we see any 6 digit refugees/"migrants" knocking at Western countries' gates?

What country are most able to help refugees? The Western ones or those impoverished, war torn ones?

US Col Wilkinson, from memory, said that some years ago the US estimate that there are about 60million climate change refugees around the world a year. That's per year.

No freaking great wall of America is going to stop that. Not when the climate and the bombs work together like it's happening.

 

[wayneL]

Classic Grasshopper sophistry.

Where are these 60 million cc refugees?

 

[Tisme]

Yep, not a good look alright.

Maybe the US should just buy Mexico, then there wouldn't be any border problem.

I think he's just bringing back the Johnson-Reed Act, but expanding the scope to exclude predominantly roman catholic Latins. Good for blacks and anglo protestants

 

[basilio]

It's always fascinating to see how the conservative media sources reconstruct reality to justify something truly awful ie splitting up families attempting to gain asylum in the US.

1) The Drudge Reports take.

All-caps lead story slot with the headline “BORDER BATTLE: USA TAKING IN 250 KIDS PER DAY”. Next to the story was a photo of young children holding guns, implying that the children separated from their parents are gun-toting criminals.

The children in the photo were not traumatised minors who crossed the US-Mexico border with their parents. They weren’t even from Central America – they were Syrians. The photo had been taken in Syria in 2012 by photojournalist Christiaan Triebert, and was a blatantly misleading attempt to try to find some way to make the border policy seem legitimate.

https://boingboing.net/2018/06/18/drudge-report-uses-2012-photo.html

2) Conservative Columinst Ann Coulter reckons the toddlers weeping and wailing about being taken from their parents at the borders "are just child actors". "Don't be deceived Donald"
http://thehill.com/homenews/media/392774-ann-coulter-calls-immigrant-children-child-actors

3) Rush Limburg gets in on the act of familes being pulled apart by noting that Paul Manfort, (who broke his bail conditions by contacting witnesses...) is being separated from his family ie sent to jail. Yep that really is almost the same as taking kids off parents who are trying to seek asalyum
https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2018/06/15/the-swamp-strikes-back-manafort-separated-from-family/

4) Fox News commentator Jesse waters decided that he should join the dots between Donald Trump Jnr Ivanaka and the families being separated at US borders.

Andrew Lawrence‏ @ndrew_lawrence

Jesse Watters: They want to lock up Eric. They want to lock up Don Jr and they want to lock up Ivanka and they've done nothing wrong. And now they're upset bc illegal alien families are being broken up? Please

Clever ? Just desperately stoopid. But hey- the bar for believing desperately stoopid xhit from Fox hasn't risen from the floor yet.

Anyone else seen more mad ways to distract or justify the decision to set up childrens prisons on the US borders ?

 

[basilio]

Of course the real facts are that these border kids are NOT being put in cages and dragged away from their parents "never to be seen again "..

Nope.. They are going to Summer Camp !

Laura Ingraham Calls Child Detention Centers 'Essentially Summer Camps,' Slams 'Faux Liberal Outrage'
http://www.newsweek.com/laura-ingra...centers-essentially-summer-camps-slams-982913

 

[wayneL]

Ah yes.

 

[luutzu]

Classic Grasshopper sophistry.

Where are these 60 million cc refugees?

Couldn't find the interview now.

On The Real News Network. Interviewing US Col. Larry Wilkerson on climate change and national security.

Though I shouldn't put the blame on Wilkerson since I might have hearing problems. But pretty sure I heard it right... that according to estimates he saw from US national security documents, 65 million people around the world are already displaced each year from the impact of CC.

Where are they?

From the UNHCR, 85% of refugees are goes to under-developed countries nearby. With 40 million internally displaced. e.g. moving from one drought region to the city for example.

Latest figures from the UN:

That 65.6M I'm sure was not what Wilkerson was referring to. This one includes all refugees, from wars and conflicts rather than CC.

MORE
http://www.unhcr.org/en-au/climate-change-and-disasters.html
"Since 2009, an estimated one person every second has been displaced by a disaster, with an average of 22.5 million people displaced by climate- or weather-related events since 2008 (IDMC 2015)."



"
Tens of millions of people will be forced from their homes by climate change in the next decade, creating the biggest refugee crisis the world has ever seen, according to a new report.

Senior US military and security experts have told the Environmental Justice Foundation (EJF) study that the number of climate refugees will dwarf those that have fled the Syrian conflict, bringing huge challenges to Europe.

“If Europe thinks they have a problem with migration today … wait 20 years,” said retired US military corps brigadier general Stephen Cheney. “See what happens when climate change drives people out of Africa – the Sahel [sub-Saharan area] especially – and we’re talking now not just one or two million, but 10 or 20 [million]. They are not going to south Africa, they are going across the Mediterranean.”
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...nge-will-create-worlds-biggest-refugee-crisis

 

[PZ99]

Ah yes.

Nice find.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reno_v._Flores

 

[sptrawler]

What are they doing?
Illegal entry into a country

What do they expect will happen?

Well DB008, if we do what everyone wants, we would save a $hit load on boarder protection. Let alone training sniffer dogs, what's the down side?

Just say Fluck it anyone who wants to come, hey if you think it's better here, just head on in Bros. No prob, plenty for all, give me some skin bro. Its all good Bro no problemo.

 

[SirRumpole]

Ah yes.

The Reno-Flores case seems to apply to unaccompanied minors, whereas the recent arrivals appear to be families that are split up.

Anyway, I'm sure there will be more court cases before the issue is resolved.

 

[wayneL]

They are only enforcing a law passed by Democrats

 

[wayneL]

And again

Check out @SargonOfAkkad_3’s Tweet:

 

[moXJO]

Trump didn't make these laws. Bush and Obama had kids in detention as well. This is another ruse from the dems. Pin it on Trump.

 

[SirRumpole]

Trump has reversed his family separation policy. On ABC News.

He said he never liked it.

I'm sure his supporters here will agree profusely with him once again.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-...cutive-order-ending-family-separation/9892042

 

[moXJO]

Trump didn't make these laws. Bush and Obama had kids in detention as well. This is another ruse from the dems. Pin it on Trump.

No this is wrong on further inspection.

Trump changed how he prosecuted the parents and this caused the separation. His own party wouldn't back it and thats why he couldn't get laws through and blamed the dems.

 

[PZ99]

Trump has reversed his family separation policy. On ABC News.

He said he never liked it.

I'm sure his supporters here will agree profusely with him once again.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-...cutive-order-ending-family-separation/9892042

Gotta give credit where it's due I guess.

Either he backed down or was held to account. I suspect the latter.

 

[Tisme]

Gotta give credit where it's due I guess.

Either he backed down or was held to account. I suspect the latter.

I think he's just drawing attention to himself, although if you wanted to put the spotlight on your enemies, use one of their decrees and show your humility and pliability in defeat.

 

[McLovin]

No this is wrong on further inspection.

Trump changed how he prosecuted the parents and this caused the separation. His own party wouldn't back it and thats why he couldn't get laws through and blamed the dems.

Yeah. Children were being sent by their parents to America in 2014. That is, they arrived, at the border, unaccompanied. Today they're criminally prosecuting parents who arrive at the border with children which ends in the removal of children from their parents.

Anyway, this Trump decision (and then reversal) has about as much conviction as everything else he does.

 

[luutzu]

They are only enforcing a law passed by Democrats

Heard that under Obama, only the father are separated from their children. The mother stays with the kids. That's not nice either, but not as bad as Trump and Sessions farked up policy. I mean, taking kids as young as 1 away from their parents? What an a-hole.

But yea, Obama deport more "illegals" than any president before him.

I guess US farmers can mechanise their farms more cheaply so who needs slave labour anymore.

 

[luutzu]

Gotta give credit where it's due I guess.

Either he backed down or was held to account. I suspect the latter.

He backed down because the plebs are not putting up with it.

That and it only affect a few "non-profit" prison operators anyway. They don't have that much financial power to lobby so it's alright.

Heard from Seymore Hersh that Trump just lowered the safety standard for baby cots. Why? Wouldn't that put American infants at risk? Mehhh...