Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

[basilio]

Came across this analysis of the Presidental power of self pardoning and how the US Constitution was argued and framed. Very interesting and well worth the read IMO.

Robert Mueller won’t save us
Only Congress can decide if the president is above the law.
By Sean Illing@seanillingsean.illing@vox.com Jun 18, 2018, 8:00am EDT
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Is the president of the United States above the law?

The question seems ridiculous on its face. But the reality of President Donald Trump forces it upon us. The president is doing things that many assumed could not, or would not, be done. He seems to believe, among other things, that he has total control over the federal law enforcement apparatus, that he has the right to pardon himself, that he cannot obstruct justice, and that he cannot be subpoenaed or indicted for any crimes he might commit.


Some of this was contradicted more than a week ago, when White House press secretary Sarah Sanders dismissed questions about the president pardoning himself. “Thankfully, the president hasn’t done anything wrong and wouldn’t have any need for a pardon,” she said, adding that “no one is above the law.”

But let’s take the words of the president seriously. If he’s right — if he has absolute power to pardon himself from legal consequences for absolutely any wrongdoing — then we do not have a president; we have a monarch. And we are not, as John Adams once promised, “a government of laws, not of men.”

https://www.vox.com/2018/6/18/17433612/trump-mueller-congress-constitution-rule-of-law

 

[DB008]

Don't you love the left clutching at straws over the illegal immigrants and child separation going on in the USA at the moment.

The propaganda is in overdrive in the USA...

This image has gone viral on social media. 24 hours later the truth comes out...

 

[SirRumpole]

Don't you love the left clutching at straws over the illegal immigrants and child separation going on in the USA at the moment.

The propaganda is in overdrive in the USA...

This image has gone viral on social media. 24 hours later the truth comes out...

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Aside from the debate over Trump's policies, imo it should be mandatory to specify that an image or video has been altered if it is published.

 

[DB008]

imo it should be mandatory to specify that an image or video has been altered if it is published.

I agree 100%

But it won't happen.....

 

[Junior]

I agree 100%

But it won't happen.....

Are you saying the child separation isn't happening based on that one doctored image? What about the video and images from the detention centre in Texas?

 

[DB008]

Are you saying the child separation isn't happening based on that one doctored image? What about the video and images from the detention centre in Texas?

Junior - please don't misquote me....

This is what l had quoted from SirRumpole
"it should be mandatory to specify that an image or video has been altered if it is published."

 

[basilio]

Come on folks.. The facts are are that many thousands of children have been taken from their parents and put in cages. This figure will increase many fold as this process is accelerated.

The government has largely tried to hide this process but it has been established. https://www.google.com/search?q=Pic...AhWCxLwKHTB5B8MQ9QEIRDAG#imgrc=JaTBB_RvzXzcsM:

Just because someone replicated the cage conditions to demonstrate how children are being treated by this government in no way changes what they doing. Lets not lose sight of what is happening.

You can read the full story of the protest picture below and realise that Donald Trump screaming that this "fake news picture" somehow exonerates him is on par with every other piece of lying rubbish he sprouts.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/18/us/photo-migrant-child-cage-trnd/index.html

 

[DB008]

What are they doing?
Illegal entry into a country

What do they expect will happen?

 

[Junior]

What are they doing?
Illegal entry into a country

What do they expect will happen?

You have to draw a line somewhere, in terms of how the children are treated.

 

[basilio]

What are they doing?
Illegal entry into a country

What do they expect will happen?

Humanity.. ?
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I came across Twitter account of a journalist who seems to be covering this story anmongst others. Worth a look.
https://twitter.com/DavidBegnaud

 

[PZ99]

Don't you love the left clutching at straws over the illegal immigrants and child separation going on in the USA at the moment.

The propaganda is in overdrive in the USA...

This image has gone viral on social media. 24 hours later the truth comes out...

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Which one of those images is the truth?

 

[DB008]

How about applying through proper channels?

What gives them to right to jump the que??

 

[SirRumpole]

We think we are being swamped with refugees, but it's nothing to what is happening in the US.

Maybe some targetted foreign aid from the US towards those most likely to "defect" would save money in the long term in preference to these unsightly separation policies.

 

[Junior]

How about applying through proper channels?

What gives them to right to jump the que??

I don't think anyone is arguing the fact that these people are jumping the queue, breaking the law etc.

But that doesn't mean there should be no reasonable standards in terms of how they are dealt with and treated, particularly when they have children in tow.

If you put yourselves in their shoes....they are seeking a better life for their family.

Even though it involves breaking the law and taking significant risks, maybe you would do the same. Hard to judge, in Australia we are all extremely fortunate that we don't need to consider such extreme measures.

 

[wayneL]

The truth is the facts have been waterboarded into submission just to suit an anti Trump agenda.

Check your fax, precedents, and history, before running off half cocked and virtue signalling over this

 

[luutzu]

What are they doing?
Illegal entry into a country

What do they expect will happen?

It's not "illegal".

They are seeking asylum, as in, filling in the paper works applying for permission.

That is not illegal under international law.

 

[SirRumpole]

It's not "illegal".

They are seeking asylum, as in, filling in the paper works applying for permission.

That is not illegal under international law.

Anyone who is not making as much money as they want to can claim "refugee" status ?

There is no war going on in Mexico as far as I'm aware.

 

[luutzu]

We think we are being swamped with refugees, but it's nothing to what is happening in the US.

Maybe some targetted foreign aid from the US towards those most likely to "defect" would save money in the long term in preference to these unsightly separation policies.

Foreign aids are gifts to potential coup leaders, only a very small fraction of it are ever given to the poor and needy.

If the US don't want refugees knocking at their gates they should stop interfering in those country's government. Stop propping up only dictators who will open up their country's labour and resources for exploitation. Stop overthrowing gov't that want to use their country's resources for their own people.

Not long ago, the US, under NAFTA, properly flooded Mexican markets with US-subsidised ag. That drove practically all small time, mom and pop farming operations off their land. Made Mexico more dependent on US "aids" and imports than they need to. Sending those farmers across the borders, working on US farms illegally.

Same with Mexican oil and energy riches. Discovered in the 70s, it was the make the Mexican rich beyond their imagination... opppss.

The current s/American refugee crisis is just another result of the US getting back to work in its "backyard". It's been losing its grip and influence on the continent for a couple decades now. The Chinese are moving in... can't have that now can we?

 

[luutzu]

Anyone who is not making as much money as they want to can claim "refugee" status ?

There is no war going on in Mexico as far as I'm aware.

Technically, yes. Under international law anyone can claim asylum, have their case heard when they seek it.

That doesn't mean their wanting to be rich will qualified.

The current wave aren't from Mexico, they're from other parts of S/America.

I haven't look at what country specifically, but the US have been pretty busy down there, again, for a decade or so now.

There's a soft coup in Argentina, Brazil, Honduras, Colombia... Venezuela is being prepared.

 

[wayneL]

Technically, yes. Under international law anyone can claim asylum, have their case heard when they seek it.

That doesn't mean their wanting to be rich will qualified.

The current wave aren't from Mexico, they're from other parts of S/America.

I haven't look at what country specifically, but the US have been pretty busy down there, again, for a decade or so now.

There's a soft coup in Argentina, Brazil, Honduras, Colombia... Venezuela is being prepared.

Yeah but why specifically the US? Or Australia? Or any of the other rich Western Nations they specifically target?

Why not other places congruent with their language, religion, culture etc?