Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

[sptrawler]

If you call the destruction of the Western Alliance an "achievement" then you may be right.

What alliance?

 

[SirRumpole]

What alliance?

Ever heard of NATO, NORAD, 5 eyes ?

 

[sptrawler]

Yes, but how has he destroyed them?

 

[SirRumpole]

Yes, but how has he destroyed them?

He's started the process by getting into a scrap with Trudeau and engendering distrust and suspicion with the other Western allies.

 

[moXJO]

He's started the process by getting into a scrap with Trudeau and engendering distrust and suspicion with the other Western allies.

Oh No Canada is angry. Pretty sure they're shting themselves with Russia claiming the North pole. All the western allies need the US, as none of them spent enough gdp on defense.

 

[sptrawler]

He's started the process by getting into a scrap with Trudeau and engendering distrust and suspicion with the other Western allies.

Oh that's it?

 

[sptrawler]

Oh No Canada is angry. Pretty sure they're shting themselves with Russia claiming the North pole. All the western allies need the US, as none of them spent enough gdp on defense.

That's exactly right, the West is using the U.S as an unpaid security service, while the U.S pays for it.
But hey, that's how welfare states work. lol

 

[IFocus]

In kims case- free the people and it usually takes care of itself. If the society opens up more, then it allows more scrutiny.

Hang on what about the gulags holding 3rd generations in NK...........

 

[moXJO]

Hang on what about the gulags holding 3rd generations in NK...........

Exactly.
Can't do much when there is no dialogue, or access.
I'd like to see the current regime and their ideology smashed. But small steps is better than nothing.

 

[SirRumpole]

That's exactly right, the West is using the U.S as an unpaid security service, while the U.S pays for it.
But hey, that's how welfare states work. lol

Pretty sure the US agreed to be the worlds protector in return for other States not developing large scale nuclear weapons capability. It wanted to be the only country that could blow up the world.

 

[moXJO]

Deal is done.
Nobel Peace prize next in the works.

Conspiracy theorist in me wants to say NK staged the whole nukes to gain leverage. Does China have a bigger plan for a greater Asia?

 

[moXJO]

Pretty sure the US agreed to be the worlds protector in return for other States not developing large scale nuclear weapons capability. It wanted to be the only country that could blow up the world.

The other countries were meant to have a minimum gdp spend on defense. A lot dropped their expenditure.

 

[SirRumpole]

Deal is done.
Nobel Peace prize next in the works.

Conspiracy theorist in me wants to say NK staged the whole nukes to gain leverage. Does China have a bigger plan for a greater Asia?

Who really believes that a person who has members of his own family murdered will stick to a deal ?

Trump is being played like a violin.

 

[PZ99]

That's exactly right, the West is using the U.S as an unpaid security service, while the U.S pays for it.
But hey, that's how welfare states work. lol

Unpaid security service? More than a thousand non US troops have died in Afghanistan alone fighting for US interests. Plus 40 Australians. (Sheet happens, apparently)

Any debt we owe the US has been well and truly discharged by now.

 

[moXJO]

Trump is being played like a violin.

More than likely. But whats really going on.

I know the military junta in Thailand has been getting cosy with China and buying weapons. Might investigate a bit and see which other nations they are arming.

 

[sptrawler]

Unpaid security service? More than a thousand non US troops have died in Afghanistan alone fighting for US interests. Plus 40 Australians. (Sheet happens, apparently)

Any debt we owe the US has been well and truly discharged by now.

Well they are the only thing, that stands between us, and having rice as our staple diet.
Having said that, Australia has backed the U.S, through thick and thin and that probably stands us in good stead.
I'm not so sure European Countries, who were liberated by the U.S have been so forthcoming in their sharing of the load, so to speak.
All I was pointing out is, it is very easy to criticise those who help you, when their help isn't required.
It is funny how that turns to panic and begging, when their help is required, as has been proven through all aspects of life.

 

[noirua]

 

[Tisme]

All I was pointing out is, it is very easy to criticise those who help you, when their help isn't required.
It is funny how that turns to panic and begging, when their help is required, as has been proven through all aspects of life.

Nobody likes to feel feckless, even if he/she is.

 

[sptrawler]

Actually he isn't with us, he is trying to reverse probably 50 years of offshoring manufacturing, to the cheapest labour source.
We are just collateral damage, the game changer was when they outsourced to China.
Now they are producing the same products, as the U.S at a lower price, and as was proved by Japan quality follows over to time.

 

[Darc Knight]

The big problem I see with this is the dozens or so books on "how I saved the World" Trump is going to be flogging. The constant braggadocio of having done "a really great great great big big big deal!"
Then there's Jina and South Korea. You think Jina will be happy the Yanks have military access to their neighbour North Korea?
It's a big change in word affairs.