Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

[wayneL]

You and the komrades really have to get past this cultural self loathing bas, the Americaphobia, the Trumpophobia, the Kimophilia etc.

Until then I just can't believe Im engaging with a rational person.

I need not add to what has been said above re the bevy of baddies around the world.

 

[basilio]

Your point of denial Wayne is refusing to recognise the many terrible things done in the name of the US, "democracy", "wars against terrorism" and the other acts of war committed by the "forces of freedom".

Just because one supports one's country doesn't mean we have to support everything it does or has done. Just because we are critical of mistakes, often grievous ones, made by a country doesn't mean we have to despise it forever.

Until you can can acknowledge that situation I also can't believe I'm engaging with a rational person.

To go to the particular of Donald Trump however.

This guy is crazy, dangerous. That view is held across all sides of US politics. Everyone is holding their breath and praying to whatever God they believe in ... very hard.

 

[wayneL]

Your point of denial Wayne is refusing to recognise the many terrible things done in the name of the US, "democracy", "wars against terrorism" and the other acts of war committed by the "forces of freedom".

Just because one supports one's country doesn't mean we have to support everything it does or has done. Just because we are critical of mistakes, often grievous ones, made by a country doesn't mean we have to despise it forever.

Until you can can acknowledge that situation I also can't believe I'm engaging with a rational person.

To go to the particular of Donald Trump however.

This guy is crazy, dangerous. That view is held across all sides of US politics. Everyone is holding their breath and praying to whatever God they believe in ... very hard.

Ridiculous. I reiterate my advice to you, get past this and the preposterous fallacious argumentative style.

I have never been a blind USA supporter, ever. You will find evidence of that on these very pages. The US has made some egregious mistakes, of course. But holy snapping @ssholes mate, you wanna look at the alternative and its nine figure body count in the 20the century?

Puleeezze

Our culture has faults, some big ones too. But at the same time, we (the West) do have something pretty bloody good, unprecedented in human history... And it deserves preserving and defending....

...from the likes of you, bas. My hope is that we can do that from the center and not from the equally poisonous far right.

 

[luutzu]

Ridiculous. I reiterate my advice to you, get past this and the preposterous fallacious argumentative style.

I have never been a blind USA supporter, ever. You will find evidence of that on these very pages. The US has made some egregious mistakes, of course. But holy snapping @ssholes mate, you wanna look at the alternative and its nine figure body count in the 20the century?

Puleeezze

Our culture has faults, some big ones too. But at the same time, we (the West) do have something pretty bloody good, unprecedented in human history... And it deserves preserving and defending....

...from the likes of you, bas. My hope is that we can do that from the center and not from the equally poisonous far right.

Wait... weren't the Nazi... mmmm... White and Western? The Ruskies are also White and Christians. Well alright, they left Jesus during Stalin's reign.

Yea alright, there's the Japs and their massive counts across this side of the world.


As an aside, imperialism... be it White, Yellow, Red or Brown. It's all the same.

Did you know that right after WWII, the US went through all former occupied countries not divvy up with Stalin and reinstate Nazi collaborators? Overthrow "people's" resistance groups who fought against the Nazi and thought to share the wealth of the local town among each other.

Same in Korea and other former Imperial Japanese "protectorate".

It's not that it's a White thing, it's just how imperialism is done. You want resources and control over new found colonies? You better put in office those who know which way the wind blow.

 

[basilio]

Wayne let's accept for arguments that you have a sort of balanced view about what the US has done well and where it has failed.

I suppose my concern is that in 2018 you take the consistent position that Donald Trump is good for the US and the world. That despite his policies, his personal behaviour, his incapacity to choose and hold onto cabinet members, his use of the Presidential office to enrich his family, his trade wars, his attacks on NATO, attacks on Mexico, Canada "xhithole" countries ect, ect, ect - he is in your eyes the best man for the job.

 

[Tisme]

Wait... weren't the Nazi... mmmm... White and Western? The Ruskies are also White and Christians. Well alright, they left Jesus during Stalin's reign.

Yea alright, there's the Japs and their massive counts across this side of the world.


As an aside, imperialism... be it White, Yellow, Red or Brown. It's all the same.

Did you know that right after WWII, the US went through all former occupied countries not divvy up with Stalin and reinstate Nazi collaborators? Overthrow "people's" resistance groups who fought against the Nazi and thought to share the wealth of the local town among each other.

Same in Korea and other former Imperial Japanese "protectorate".

It's not that it's a White thing, it's just how imperialism is done. You want resources and control over new found colonies? You better put in office those who know which way the wind blow.

I think Wayne covered the territory of extremes. Using the nazi card is generally verboten on discussion boards.

The rule of law and separation of powers is a British invention that has done it, its colonial legacies and those who have come on board, well for 800 years. Knocking it as somehow associated with genocide, mass atrocities, forced march imperialism, etc is just nonsense IMO

 

[wayneL]

Wayne let's accept for arguments that you have a sort of balanced view about what the US has done well and where it has failed.

I suppose my concern is that in 2018 you take the consistent position that Donald Trump is good for the US and the world. That despite his policies, his personal behaviour, his incapacity to choose and hold onto cabinet members, his use of the Presidential office to enrich his family, his trade wars, his attacks on NATO, attacks on Mexico, Canada "xhithole" countries ect, ect, ect - he is in your eyes the best man for the job.

There's that misrepresentative fallacious argument again... So tiresome.

In the final analysis there was a binary choice between Trump and Hillary, that was the reality. Given that reality, yes, Trump absolutely was the best choice.

The radicals would have been far quieter under Hillary, but that would have actually been bad. As it stands, your mob is exposing themselves as the ludicrous cultural vandals you really are. You are doing more to undermine yourselves the more you speak out.

If there were other viable choices, then no, there were other candidates I thought would have been better (BUT NOT BERNIE!)

 

[Knobby22]

Very amusing article from Mish about Kudlow, Trumps new economic advisor.
As Mish said it's hard for economists to get it right but even the worst ones get at least 20-30% of their predictions right -not Kudlow though!
https://www.themaven.net/mishtalk/e...r-economic-advisor-job-62DgjLn5tEK3pHq0HtTb5g

 

[luutzu]

I think Wayne covered the territory of extremes. Using the nazi card is generally verboten on discussion boards.

The rule of law and separation of powers is a British invention that has done it, its colonial legacies and those who have come on board, well for 800 years. Knocking it as somehow associated with genocide, mass atrocities, forced march imperialism, etc is just nonsense IMO

Didn't the Roman Republic have all that separation of powers, upper and lower house and all that?

They had it for some 700 years before that balding warmonger cast the die and crosses the Rubicon.

But yes, there are sensitive version of history it is not politically correct to discuss, even at arm's length and on that historian "scholarly" plane. I mean, Machiavelli is seen as an evil and cunning SOB all because he drawn lessons from history and discuss it as it was, not as it ought to have been.

 

[Tisme]

Didn't the Roman Republic have all that separation of powers, upper and lower house and all that?

They had it for some 700 years before that balding warmonger cast the die and crosses the Rubicon.

But yes, there are sensitive version of history it is not politically correct to discuss, even at arm's length and on that historian "scholarly" plane. I mean, Machiavelli is seen as an evil and cunning SOB all because he drawn lessons from history and discuss it as it was, not as it ought to have been.

I'm surprised you didn't throw in China as the inventor of the parliamentary system there, sometime back when they invented the Hills Hoist.

In the context of the discussion the Nazi card is over the top, even if Nazis are the parity antithesis of the Greens.

And in answer to your first question ...no.

You might like this http://www.novaroma.org/camenaeum/RomanTimeline.txt

 

[luutzu]

I'm surprised you didn't throw in China as the inventor of the parliamentary system there, sometime back when they invented the Hills Hoist.

In the context of the discussion the Nazi card is over the top, even if Nazis are the parity antithesis of the Greens.

And in answer to your first question ...no.

You might like this http://www.novaroma.org/camenaeum/RomanTimeline.txt

No they didn't invent the Hills Hoist, but did invent the Bamboo straight-line solar-powered dryer that are also organic, and thereby environmentally friendly... and also suit the local supply source thereby reducing logistical expenses and so on and so forth

Yes... The overthrow of Tarquinius in 509BC and the establishment of the Roman Republic:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overthrow_of_the_Roman_monarchy

But yes, it wasn't 700 years, only some 500 before Caesar took control.

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Chinese philosophers did discuss democracy, rule of law (i.e the Legalist, established Chin by the First Emperor. Overthrew and soon replaced by the Han using the same structure... you know, paying lip service to law and all that is good and fair dinkum)

But you and I both know that "free men" and parliamentary representation were only ever meant to mean rich, landed gentry who are all wise and benevolent. That they only rise to power because the King or Emperor became weak and thus have the domain divvy up.

And Democracy, real democracy where the "stupid, troublesome masses" have a voice and make their wishes felt... that's just a political crisis needing to be crushed.

 

[Tisme]

No they didn't invent the Hills Hoist, but did invent the Bamboo straight-line solar-powered dryer that are also organic, and thereby environmentally friendly... and also suit the local supply source thereby reducing logistical expenses and so on and so forth

Yes... The overthrow of Tarquinius in 509BC and the establishment of the Roman Republic:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overthrow_of_the_Roman_monarchy

But yes, it wasn't 700 years, only some 500 before Caesar took control.

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Chinese philosophers did discuss democracy, rule of law (i.e the Legalist, established Chin by the First Emperor. Overthrew and soon replaced by the Han using the same structure... you know, paying lip service to law and all that is good and fair dinkum)



But you and I both know that "free men" and parliamentary representation were only ever meant to mean rich, landed gentry who are all wise and benevolent. That they only rise to power because the King or Emperor became weak and thus have the domain divvy up.

And Democracy, real democracy where the "stupid, troublesome masses" have a voice and make their wishes felt... that's just a political crisis needing to be crushed.

The best the Romans had was a ruling Emperor or two consuls, a Senate made up of patricians and magistrates to punish plebs. The Senate had no legislative power. The consuls and Emperors did what they wanted and the original three assemblies got the heave ho.

I'm fairly sure the Chinese invented the straight line and the sun rising in the east?

 

[IFocus]

In the final analysis there was a binary choice between Trump and Hillary, that was the reality. Given that reality, yes, Trump absolutely was the best choice.

Trump must have been...........the Russians picked him as well.

 

[luutzu]

The best the Romans had was a ruling Emperor or two consuls, a Senate made up of patricians and magistrates to punish plebs. The Senate had no legislative power. The consuls and Emperors did what they wanted and the original three assemblies got the heave ho.

I'm fairly sure the Chinese invented the straight line and the sun rising in the east?

"Roman government was headed by two consuls, elected annually by the citizens and advised by a senate composed of appointed magistrates. As Roman society was very hierarchical by modern standards, the evolution of the Roman government was heavily influenced by the struggle between the patricians, Rome's land-holding aristocracy, who traced their ancestry to the founding of Rome, and the plebeians, the far more numerous citizen-commoners."

Source of Truth: Wiki

That and I also watch the entire series of I, Claudius. And the BBC do not lie.


Maybe the Chinese did invented the straight line and discovered that the Sun rises in the East. That must be true because Imperial Japan claimed it to be theirs.

 

[wayneL]

Trump must have been...........the Russians picked him as well.

Well, at least they were smarter than an American liberals

 

[Tisme]

"Roman government was headed by two consuls, elected annually by the citizens and advised by a senate composed of appointed magistrates. As Roman society was very hierarchical by modern standards, the evolution of the Roman government was heavily influenced by the struggle between the patricians, Rome's land-holding aristocracy, who traced their ancestry to the founding of Rome, and the plebeians, the far more numerous citizen-commoners."

Source of Truth: Wiki

That and I also watch the entire series of I, Claudius. And the BBC do not lie.


Maybe the Chinese did invented the straight line and discovered that the Sun rises in the East. That must be true because Imperial Japan claimed it to be theirs.

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You're cherry picking using fabricated Wiki facts. You need to hit the books.

 

[luutzu]

You're cherry picking using fabricated Wiki facts. You need to hit the books.

Are you pulling a Chinese claim or what?

 

[Tisme]

This has gotta be concerning for all those Greens out there with their predilection for policy making blast parties.

http://www.ntd.tv/2018/03/19/trump-to-propose-death-penalties-for-high-intensity-drug-dealers2/

Trump to Propose Death Penalties for High-Intensity Drug Dealers
By Ivan PentchoukovMARCH 19, 2018

President Donald Trump before boarding Marine One on the South Lawn of the White House in Washington on Jan. 24, 2018. (Samira Bouaou/The Epoch Times)
President Donald Trump will roll out a set of proposals to address the opioid epidemic on Monday that includes death sentences for some drug dealers, according to Andrew Bremberg, the director of the White House Domestic Policy Council.


The president will lay out his comprehensive plan during a speech in New Hampshire, the epicenter of his administration’s battle against opioids and the state where Trump learned about the epidemic.

The plan has four pillars: law enforcement and interdiction, a large scale educational advertisement campaign focused on prevention, improving the government’s ability to fund treatment, and helping people find jobs while fighting addiction, CNN reported, citing Bremberg and White House counselor Kellyanne Conway.

Trump has previously spoken about the death penalty for certain drug traffickers and recently highlighted it during a rally in Pennsylvania.

“A drug dealer will kill 2,000, 3,000, 5,000 people during the course of his or her life,” Trump said.

“Thousands of people are killed or their lives are destroyed, their families are destroyed. So you can kill thousands of people and go to jail for 30 days,” he added. “They catch a drug dealer, they don’t even put them in jail.”


The number of Americans dying from drug overdoses quadrupled since 1999, according to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. An average of 173 people a day died from overdoses in 2016.

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Trump pushed Congress to secure $6 billion in funds to address the opioid epidemic. Monday’s speech will outline how the money will be spent to turn the deadly tide.

Stiff penalties, including capital punishment, would be reserved for the high-intensity dealers and traffickers, not minor offenders, according to a senior administration official.

“The President thinks that the punishment doesn’t fit the crime,” the official said regarding offenders who “are growing pot in the backyard or a friend who has a low-level possession crime,” according to CNN.

“His plan will address, and he will address, the stiffening of penalties for the people who are bringing the poison into our communities,” the official said.

Conway led the White House effort to draft the plan. The work involved several agencies, including the departments of State, Labor, and Housing and Urban Development.

“We call it the ‘crisis next door’ because everyone knows someone,” Conway said on Sunday, according to CNN. “It is no longer somebody else’s community, somebody else’s kid, somebody else’s co-worker. The opioid crisis is viewed by us at the White House as a nonpartisan problem searching for a bipartisan solution.”

 

[Tisme]

Are you pulling a Chinese claim or what?

Just make sure its printed by Oxford Press instead of those commie b4stards

 

[bellenuit]

I have always stated that though Hillary is far from being a saint, pretty much all of the allegations against her are invented by the republican right, extreme talk back radio hosts and other media, in particular Fox News. The reason charges have not being brought against her is that there is no evidence of wrong doing and investigations that have been made have exonerated her.

Now we are getting confirmation of this from the Facebook - Cambridge Analytica scandal.

Cambridge Analytica bosses claimed they invented 'Crooked Hillary' campaign, won Donald Trump the presidency

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-...d-it-secured-donald-trump-presidentia/9570690