NBN Rollout Scrapped

[Garpal Gumnut]

As the first poster and originator of this thread.

I would remind the youth of my prognosis of the NBN.

It is not a communication program.

It is a political program.

The NBN has been modified by the ALP and Coalition that it ain't worth a small turd from a big ****.

It is a complete piece of ****.

It will be scrapped.

gg

I have it on good opinion from one of my Queensland ALP contacts , that the NBN is to be "modified".

This will free up money for the Flood and Cyclone Reconstruction.

The word "scrapped" will not be used.

"Modified" is the buzzword.

One can imagine a Dalek saying it...."Modified, modified, modified"

gg

 

[Tisme]

http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2017/11/27/bennelong-byelection-nbn-delay/

The Turnbull government’s campaign to defend Bennelong has been dealt a blow after NBN Co revealed it would delay the rollout of the main technology being used to connect homes and businesses in the electorate.

Most homes and businesses in Liberal MP John Alexander’s seat in Sydney’s north-west are slated to connect to the NBN via the Hybrid Fibre Coaxial (HFC) technology, which utilises existing pay TV cables.

Amid growing frustration about the rollout nationally, Labor’s candidate, former NSW premier Kristina Keneally, has sought to make the NBN a key campaign issue for the byelection to be held on December 16.

And in a case of bad timing for the government, NBN Co revealed on Monday the nationwide HFC rollout would be delayed, a setback that means tens of thousands voters in Bennelong will now have to wait up to nine months longer for the NBN.

Labor claims more than 48,000 premises in the Bennelong electorate are slated to use the technology, which critics have argued is prone to dropouts and slow internet speeds. That includes the suburbs of Ryde, Epping, Marsfield, Macquarie Park and Putney.

Most of the Bennelong electorate will be connected using HFC.
A group of more than 23,100 Bennelong homes and businesses were slated to be fit for service between January and March next year, before NBN Co chief executive Bill Morrow announced a halt to the HFC rollout on Monday.

Mr Morrow conceded the company had received more complaints from customers using HFC than other technologies, though he said the “specific number of dropouts is quite small”.

“This will result in a six- to nine-month average delay for those people that have yet to connect to the NBN network over HFC,” he said.

NBN CEO Bill Morrow revealed the delay on Monday. Photo: AAP
Labor seized on the announcement on Monday, which was initially buried in a press release from the company.

“It’s a disgrace. This means that families and businesses in Bennelong will have to wait longer for a second rate broadband service they have to pay more for,” said Ms Keneally.

She said only one in 10 homes in Bennelong were connected to the NBN.

There is growing frustration about the rollout of the NBN. Photo: AAP
But the Coalition hit back, saying Labor “didn’t connect a single house in Bennelong to the NBN” while in office.

Nationally, almost three million premises are slated to access the NBN using the Hybrid Fibre Coaxial (HFC) connections.

NBN Co said on Monday nearly one million premises could now access the NBN via HFC and 370,000 were already connected.

Communication Minister Mitch Fifield and Mr Alexander did not respond to a request for comment.

The HFC technology was introduced in 2015 as part of the NBN’s multi-technology mix overhaul overseen by the then communications minister Malcolm Turnbull.

An election issue
Mr Alexander holds Bennelong by nearly 10 per cent but recent polls have suggested the contest will be much closer.

West Ryde business owner Stefan Sojka told The New Daily the NBN rollout was a point of frustration for many local businesses and he predicted it would be one factor for voters in Bennelong.

“We’re hearing a lot about it,” said Mr Sojka, a board member of the local chamber of commerce. “It’s just a general feeling that we’re lagging.”

Mr Sojka, who runs a recording studio, said the NBN was particularly crucial for small startups in the Macquarie Park business hub.

“One of my associates runs a media business and they’re constantly needing to upload and download very large files,” he said.

“They’re quite often staying back late and having to apologise to clients (due to poor internet).”

 

[Tisme]

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/ga...p-in-the-right-direction-20171127-gztk50.html

Rather than continue the blame game and leave more Aussies trapped in broadband limbo, NBN has finally admitted that it's failing and needs to do better.

There's been an alarming lack of accountability across the board as systemic connection faults have dogged NBN's HFC cable rollout over the last year. Australians have been left without broadband or phone connections for months as NBN, internet retailers and the government have all passed the buck while refusing to concede they were at fault.........................

 

[Logique]

What to do when those who are supposed to do the NBN connection just never turn up? They say they will, then they don't. Multiple times over several weeks.
Suggestions?

Snap, and no explanation either

 

[Tisme]

 

[Gringotts Bank]

Snap, and no explanation either

Snap had the power.

 

[Tisme]

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/tech...repairs/ar-BBGho8u?li=AAavLaF&ocid=spartanntp

NBN Co's announcement last week that it would cease selling services on its hybrid fibre-coaxial (HFC) network has revealed one of the biggest errors in judgment the company has made under a Turnbull-Abbott led government.

The government-owned NBN Co blamed "interference" — which was leading to dropouts and unacceptable broadband service on a minority of users' services — for the decision, which will result in an average delay of between six to nine months for millions of households looking to sign up.

But NBN Co first discovered that interference might become a problem down the track in mid-2016, Fairfax Media has learned, when the first HFC asset transfers occurred between Telstra and NBN Co.

At the time, NBN management made the risky judgment call that it would not be a huge an issue. While it suspected that interference would cause some headaches in the rollout, NBN management didn't fully realise the extent to which Telstra's HFC network was in need of repair, or in the words of NBN Co engineers and management, "optimisation".

Regardless, NBN ploughed through activating premises and dealing with issues later, until they became too large to ignore. NBN had originally envisioned doing network repairs once the network was in full operation and had been released for sale to service providers. To this point, the optimisation work had been part of its post-activation servicing rather than part of the construction schedule.

Of course this isn't what ended up happening, and now optimisation work — or repair — is having to be conducted in many areas before HFC services are released for sale.


While NBN data showed that only 1 per cent of end users were reporting faults via their service provider, alarm bells began to ring after an internal NBN Co commissioned consumer satisfaction survey found up to 15 per cent of users were scoring their HFC service close to 0 out of 10, meaning that they were having the absolute worst time on HFC but that their provider wasn't necessarily reporting it as a fault to NBN Co.

Furthermore, some affected users were high-profile, inner city journalists who began making their voice heard on social media. Given this and the reputational damage it was starting to have on the NBN, and with the HFC fault rate increasing by the day as more users were activated, NBN Co decided late last month to finally act. It advised the Communications Minister the week prior to its announcement that it would imminently announce the delay.

A letter was sent to the minister on Wednesday November 22, one day before a senate estimates hearing where Labor was set to quiz management on the NBN and the issues it had faced to date. The matter didn't come up during the hearing. NBN then announced the delay the following Monday.

What is causing the so-called 'interference'
The interference on the network is caused by three separate issues. The first is that the spectrum NBN acquired from Telstra (15-40MHz spectrum) is not, according to critics, designed to be used for super-fast broadband. This leads to the second issue, which is that the spectrum is far more prone to interference. While some Telstra HFC customers were having a great broadband experience prior to being switched over to NBN HFC, this became worse after the changeover, because of the new NBN spectrum they were placed on.

This interference occurs in the joints — or the "taps" as they are called by engineers — between the HFC cable in the street pit and the cable that goes to your house. Because of their age, some of these are deteriorating, causing so-called "leaks". And because HFC networks are a shared service, these leaks then spill over into your neighbours' connections as well, causing their internet to potentially drop out and speeds to deteriorate as well.

The third interference issue is the wall-plate in peoples' homes being damaged. The most common way this can occur is by household objects, most often vacuum cleaners, running into them and damaging them. This then causes the same issue as the first, leading to dropouts and slow speeds, sometimes for your entire neighbourhood given there are normally 400-550 people connected to a HFC node (they can handle up to 650).

Although the same HFC spectrum is used by other global operators, including cable TV players, they are able to use the spectrum successfully because they keep their networks tight and therefore keep interference to a minimum, the plan NBN is now moving to.

The main issue, it seems, was that NBN was activating HFC users faster than it could deliver the required network repairs to combat interference.

NBN Co recently examined an area with 100 users and found that in two thirds of cases, it could reduce the noise to a satisfactory level by just fixing the taps. For the other one third, or 30 cases, it is likely that it may need to enter the homes to fix wall-plates or replace the HFC cable between the street pit and house. Alternatively, it may choose to "isolate" users' connections by splitting them off a cable run to reduce noise on their neighbours' connections.

According to the financial modelling used by one of NBN's corporate plans, the impact such a delay would have on NBN peak funding is between $423 million to $790 million.

Meanwhile, Telstra cut its expected earnings for fiscal 2018 by $600 million as a direct result of the announcement. Despite this, Telstra chief executive officer Andrew Penn "applauded" the NBN's decision to delay, claiming that, while it affected Telstra financially, the implications would not be "long-term" and were in the interests of providing a better service for customers.

A critic would argue, however, that NBN Co is potentially now spending a lot of money repairing a network that wasn't fit for purpose in the first place.

Remember how NBN Co dumped the $800 million Optus HFC network due to it not being "fit for purpose"? While the reasons were different (it was becoming increasingly expensive to connect the network to the NBN points of interconnect, often in Telstra exchanges, while also being "oversubscribed" by Optus, meaning it would lead to congestion issues), the delay to HFC and inevitable cost blowout gives Labor further firepower to question whether re-using an ageing network in the first place was such a smart idea.

As independent telecommunications analyst Paul Budde said earlier last week in an email entitled The next NBN debacle, "the problem with the NBN multi technology mix (MtM) policy is that they are using old technologies. And if you are going to upgrade this you will come across lots of nasty surprises, as already has become clear in relation to the FTTN part of the project".

Budde continued: "Some parts of the cable infrastructure is even more than 50 years old. In relation to the HFC network, this dates back to the 1990s, so also old infrastructure."

 

[Tisme]

My guess only the Labor haters and Liberal rusted ons would believe this excuse...wasn't me miss, it was Billy:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-...r-to-blame-for-calamitous-train-wreck/9076324

 

[sptrawler]

My guess only the Labor haters and Liberal rusted ons would believe this excuse...wasn't me miss, it was Billy:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-...r-to-blame-for-calamitous-train-wreck/9076324

Or those who thought it was all, the biggest waste of taxpayers money, in the history of this Country.
It doesn't really matter who or what thought of it, to get the taxpayers to fund it, was dumb.
The system that was in place, we already had all exchanges in Australia, interconnected by optical fibre.

Telstra was sold off and the ensuing debacle, caused Telstra shareholders via the ACCC, to be stripped of any assett advantage they had.

For the taxpayer to pick up the cost, to upgrade the system, they had already paid for was an absolute disgrace.
The taxpayer paid for the telephone system.
Then it was corporatized.
Then it was sold off to the taxpayer.
Then competition was given free reign to rape it.
Then as the ultimate spit in your face act, the Government makes the taxpayer upgrade it.
Why? so that the massive overseas companies, can sell a better service to you. WTF

Now what do we do, pizz all over ourselves, we are arguing that we could have spent more giving them a better system, that really they should be paying for. OMG
We are only talking from the exchange to the house, why couldn't they have paid for it?

 

[sptrawler]

Really Tisme, I find the "like" a bit condescending, when all you go on about, is the failing of the system, that we shouldn't be paying for.
Then in the same breath, you say, we should have paid more for fibre to the house.
Maybe you're just an antagonist?

 

[Tisme]

Really Tisme, I find the "like" a bit condescending, when all you go on about, is the failing of the system, that we shouldn't be paying for.
Then in the same breath, you say, we should have paid more for fibre to the house.
Maybe you're just an antagonist?

I never said anything about we should be paying for any of it did I? That's something you would have second guessed in one of those brain farts we all (actually I don't) suffer from.

If a govt takes on a project it should deliver that project. The train wreck began when Tony Abbott politicised it for votes and Fizzer Turnbull accepted his role to make it an ALP designed lemon, once again to wring out as many votes for as long as feasible.

I gave you a like because I admired your passion. If you don't want likes I'm happy to oblige.... done

 

[drsmith]

If a govt takes on a project it should deliver that project. The train wreck began when Tony Abbott politicised it for votes and Fizzer Turnbull accepted his role to make it an ALP designed lemon, once again to wring out as many votes for as long as feasible.

Let's not rewrite history.

It was a train wreck from the outset.

 

[Tisme]

Let's not rewrite history.

It was a train wreck from the outset.

Only to a rusted on Liberal like yourself. You'd have to provide factual data to backup your bent, and I mean all the facts none of the emotional claptrap.

Mob rule already tags Fizzer as the architect of failure with the NBN,

 

[sptrawler]

Well Tisme, when Malcolm in the muddle, hands over the chalice to silly Billy we will see what transpires.

If it is anything like W.A, it won't be an improvement, despite your prayers.

 

[Tisme]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-12/braue-the-inconvenient-truth-for-the-coalition-nbn/5152800

..............
In other words, the expert and objective opinion of NBN Co - whose over 3,000 staff include some of Australia's most talented telecommunications engineers - was deemed to be so politically tainted that it did not merit presentation to the incoming minister. Turnbull, whether by design or by what we might infer, preferred to make his own truth about the NBN.

As you read through the NBN Strategic Review, it's important to also consider the advice that was given to Turnbull by NBN Co's experts as they sought to paint a realistic portrait of the challenges facing the Coalition in its construction of a mostly FttN NBN.

The NBN Co knew months ago that the Coalition was "unlikely" to make its 2016 deadline for delivering 25Mbps broadband to all Australian premises, and would struggle to meet its 2019 secondary deadline of boosting this to 50Mbps on 90 percent of fixed-line services.......................
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[sptrawler]

I never said anything about we should be paying for any of it did I? That's something you would have second guessed in one of those brain farts we all (actually I don't) suffer from.

If a govt takes on a project it should deliver that project. The train wreck began when Tony Abbott politicised it for votes and Fizzer Turnbull accepted his role to make it an ALP designed lemon, once again to wring out as many votes for as long as feasible.

I gave you a like because I admired your passion. If you don't want likes I'm happy to oblige.... done

Tisme, don't worry about giving me a like, the last thing I'm interested in is whether someone likes what I say.
I'm only interested in putting forward my point of view, which may or may not concur with other people's and I definitely don't think my point of view is necessarily correct.
I've lived long enough and seen enough, to know no one knows everything, but some think they do.
Best you just keep giving your likes to Sir Rumpy, and no doubt he will continue to return the favour.

 

[Tisme]

Well Tisme, when Malcolm in the muddle, hands over the chalice to silly Billy we will see what transpires.

If it is anything like W.A, it won't be an improvement, despite your prayers.

Now you are just trolling SP.

Separating hate from fact always takes courage and I have great faith in you, regardless of your impudence towards me..

 

[Tisme]

Tisme, don't worry about giving me a like, the last thing I'm interested in is whether someone likes what I say.
I'm only interested in putting forward my point of view, which may or may not concur with other people's and I definitely don't think my point of view is necessarily correct.
I've lived long enough and seen enough, to know no one knows everything, but some think they do.
Best you just keep giving your likes to Sir Rumpy, and no doubt he will continue to return the favour.

Hardly the last thing, you were out of the blocks pronto to make sure I didn't poison your pond.

The rest of the diatribe reads like a jealousy pf a special relationship with Rumpole and myself... which does go back many years and if you looked carefully you would see we don't give each other many likes at all....Stalin versus Hitler bookends.

 

[sptrawler]

WOW, Tisme, you obviously have anger management issues. LOL

 

[Tisme]

WOW, Tisme, you obviously have anger management issues. LOL

Now you are trying to deflect your own baggage onto me. Honestly I don't have any anger disease and I don't get bent out of shape like you are obviously prone to. I suspect you have spent your life making sure your peers are welcome so long as they agree with your persistent gravitas?

You should try lightening up .... you might like it as will those around you ..."misery loves company" and all that.