NBN Rollout Scrapped

[Wysiwyg]

Future option ...

"The carrier [Telstra] has previously stated it aims to conduct full trials of 5G at the 2018 Commonwealth Games on the Gold Coast. Actual deployment of 5G networks is not expected to occur until 2020."

Regarding the contractor bodge jobs.

The NBN contractor bodge jobs are typical of contractors on a per installation, house build, roof insulation, shutdown, product run etc. fee. It is typical of a contract employee. Reason is they won't be in the area when their bodge jobs are discovered, the tradies aren't vetted and it is all about quantity rather than quality.

 

[Tisme]

 

[Tisme]

Future option ...

"The carrier [Telstra] has previously stated it aims to conduct full trials of 5G at the 2018 Commonwealth Games on the Gold Coast. Actual deployment of 5G networks is not expected to occur until 2020."

Regarding the contractor bodge jobs.

The NBN contractor bodge jobs are typical of contractors on a per installation, house build, roof insulation, shutdown, product run etc. fee. It is typical of a contract employee. Reason is they won't be in the area when their bodge jobs are discovered, the tradies aren't vetted and it is all about quantity rather than quality.

They aren't usually tradies, but 6 week wonders. One bloke I met was literally a butcher LOL

 

[Tisme]

 

[overhang]

4 Corners really went into what the experts have warned for years was inevitable with the Liberal version of an NBN. The great digital divide they've created, the fact people will pay for speeds they can't possibly achieve because they're too far from the node. This really is the Liberal pink batts scheme, pushing to meet the ambitious targets the government has set NBN co has meant dodgy under-trained contractors are being used that are paid on a per job basis. Last night they showed fibre that had been laid a couple of feet under ground that was fully exposed to the elements because the contractor didn't run it through any type of pipe/duct.

And no Turnbull you own this mess not Labor, you've been responsible for 4 years now and took ownership the moment you decided to create this MTN mess that we'll be paying for many years to come.

 

[Tisme]

4 Corners really went into what the experts have warned for years was inevitable with the Liberal version of an NBN. The great digital divide they've created, the fact people will pay for speeds they can't possibly achieve because they're too far from the node. This really is the Liberal pink batts scheme, pushing to meet the ambitious targets the government has set NBN co has meant dodgy under-trained contractors are being used that are paid on a per job basis. Last night they showed fibre that had been laid a couple of feet under ground that was fully exposed to the elements because the contractor didn't run it through any type of pipe/duct.

And no Turnbull you own this mess not Labor, you've been responsible for 4 years now and took ownership the moment you decided to create this MTN mess that we'll be paying for many years to come.

As I recall the NBN was originally setup to be sold off (around about now?) as a going concern and the govt getting a handsome ROI in return for the bonds it issued to build it, in concert with private enterprise investment..... an infrastructure PPP.

Instead, riding a **** horse into govt, Abbott decided he had to break all the other kid's toys, including the NBN and then ask Malcolm to put it together again with Clag glue.

It's been a great laugh for many and most people just shrugged their shoulders, but now we are at the pointy end and the lazy people who relied on the LNP to carry the truth and justice stick are starting to realise they were sold a pup (slow learners). Can only get worse as the fails increase and the reality bites.

 

[sptrawler]

As I recall the NBN was originally setup to be sold off (around about now?) as a going concern and the govt getting a handsome ROI in return for the bonds it issued to build it, in concert with private enterprise investment..... an infrastructure PPP.

Instead, riding a **** horse into govt, Abbott decided he had to break all the other kid's toys, including the NBN and then ask Malcolm to put it together again with Clag glue.

It's been a great laugh for many and most people just shrugged their shoulders, but now we are at the pointy end and the lazy people who relied on the LNP to carry the truth and justice stick are starting to realise they were sold a pup (slow learners). Can only get worse as the fails increase and the reality bites.

To start the roll out in low socio-economic residential areas, set the whole model up to fail, it was dumb.
If it had to be done they should have started in CBD's where it was really needed, and then at least they would have got some R.O.E.
This then could have mitigated some of the losses, which were bound to happen in less densely populated areas, typical social agenda rather than sensible business approach.
Unfortunately poor planning and implementation protocols, undermined most of labor's projects.

 

[Tisme]

To start the roll out in low socio-economic residential areas, set the whole model up to fail, it was dumb.
If it had to be done they should have started in CBD's where it was really needed, and then at least they would have got some R.O.E.
This then could have mitigated some of the losses, which were bound to happen in less densely populated areas, typical social agenda rather than sensible business approach.
Unfortunately poor planning and implementation protocols, undermined most of labor's projects.

The first rollout was July 2010 How was that rollout changed by the LNP in Sept 2013? It's four years later and it's still Labor's fault? As you know I'm hardly a supporter of Labor, but really?

Karl's hard hitting style LOL :

http://www.9news.com.au/national/20...inister-blasted-over-network-today-stefanovic

 

[SirRumpole]

Unfortunately poor planning and implementation protocols, undermined most of labor's projects.

But the Liberal Party changed the plan from FTTP to FTTN, so the plan and the problem is now of their making.

I'd have to say the the 4C report was a bit unfair comparing Australia to NZ, a country with a third the population of Australia and less spread out making NZ's installation easier.

 

[Tisme]

But the Liberal Party changed the plan from FTTP to FTTN, so the plan and the problem is now of their making.

I'd have to say the the 4C report was a bit unfair comparing Australia to NZ, a country with a third the population of Australia and less spread out making NZ's installation easier.

14 minutes in:

 

[sptrawler]

The first rollout was July 2010 How was that rollout changed by the LNP in Sept 2013? It's four years later and it's still Labor's fault? As you know I'm hardly a supporter of Labor, but really?

Karl's hard hitting style LOL :

http://www.9news.com.au/national/20...inister-blasted-over-network-today-stefanovic

It's Labors fault simply because they started the whole mess on a poor footing, it was always going to be a ridiculously expensive project.
But to not start it in CBD's, where business would have jumped on high speed data transfer and paid top dollar for it, was dumb beyond comprehension.
At least then, when the residential roll out commenced, it could have been ramped up or slowed down dependent on take up.
As usual, Labor tried to use it as a vote catcher rather than a business plan, they unfortunately always seem to take this approach and it always ends up the same way.
The biggest problem is yet to face the project, as people want more and more mobile access, while not require bling speed access in the home. The roll out of more mobile bandwidth and 5G speed, will make the NBN even less useful to the general populace.
It is obvious by all the finger pointing, that the penny is dropping and it will end up a big white elephant.
It will be useful for mass secure data transfer, but the individual is going to want more and more mobility, it is just the way the world is going. As costs of living go up and up, people won't want to pay for a land connection and a mobile connection, one will suffer and the writing is on the wall which one.

 

[SirRumpole]

14 minutes in:

Haha, brilliant, especially Malcolm and the node.

 

[sptrawler]

But the Liberal Party changed the plan from FTTP to FTTN, so the plan and the problem is now of their making.
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Cutting the costs, was probably the most sensible decision yet with the project.
As per usual, the whole debate has been taken over by ideological nonsense, as with the energy debate.
Unfortunately everything becomes party driven by political agenda, no bipartisan approach to to come up with the most sensible cost effective result, for the Australian people.
No, it is F%#&K what it costs, it is our way or the highway, meanwhile the general public just watch as their costs go up and up.
The NBN is a disaster because it was designed on a political and social agenda, rather than an economic rationale, or public requirement. The East coast electricity system is a disaster because it is being decided on a political ideology, rather than an engineering and business model.
Hey but who cares as long as it isn't "my" political party, wearing it, is the call of the day.
Really it is about time it got back to a Government for the people, not for the politicians, but as can be seen by debate on here we support their poor behaviour by constantly excusing it.

 

[SirRumpole]

Cutting the costs, was probably the most sensible decision yet with the project.

A internet setup is only as good as its weakest link.

What is the effing point of putting fibre to a node and then copper wire for the next bit. You will only get a speed that copper wire will transmit. Why would people buy it if its little better than what they have now ?

That's where cost cutting stuffs the whole project. It's a lemon because of the LNP's bastardised plan.

With FTTP it would cost more but you would have a product to sell.

Now we just have a gigantic white elephant.

 

[PZ99]

With FTTP it would cost more but you would have a product to sell.

And that was the whole point of the project. To build infrastructure that could then provide a continual income stream for the Govt and/or be privatised to retire debt. Just like Telstra.

 

[Junior]

It seems like the best option now would almost be to pull the pin on NBN entirely (or at least map out an exit strategy) and allow the free market to take over.....there seems to be healthy competition and NBN is only stifling that by forcing many off their adequate ADSL plans, and discouraging rapid expansion of 4G and 5G networks - which will probably supersede fibre connections anyway.

 

[sptrawler]

A internet setup is only as good as its weakest link.

What is the effing point of putting fibre to a node and then copper wire for the next bit. You will only get a speed that copper wire will transmit. Why would people buy it if its little better than what they have now ?

That's where cost cutting stuffs the whole project. It's a lemon because of the LNP's bastardised plan.

With FTTP it would cost more but you would have a product to sell.

Now we just have a gigantic white elephant.

Well if you research it a bit, people aren't going for the highest speed, they are going for the slowest cheapest speed.

 

[sptrawler]

It seems like the best option now would almost be to pull the pin on NBN entirely (or at least map out an exit strategy) and allow the free market to take over.....there seems to be healthy competition and NBN is only stifling that by forcing many off their adequate ADSL plans, and discouraging rapid expansion of 4G and 5G networks - which will probably supersede fibre connections anyway.

That would definitely be the best idea, it is going to be an ongoing cost, that will eventually be completely replaced by technology. Organisations may continue with it for security reasons, but as people become more transient and busy, some form of wireless/ satellite hybrid will be the preference for people.IMO
It is just a dumb, dumb idea, even in Mandurah, where it is fibre to the house, speeds are limited by supplier throttling. It doesn't matter though because netflix, Stan etc stream o.k

 

[boofhead]

What short memories some people have. When ADSL was rolled out by Telstra most avoided the 1536/256 plan because of cost. Over time things changed, people moved up plans, Telstra uncapped speeds to allow full sync then ADSL2 became common.

FTTP has a lower operational cost so a greater proportion of money goes towards capex which has advantages. Labor favoured the laser printer model for printing lots of documents. Coalition changed it to the lower cost inket printer with more money going towards ink.

Labor FTTP allowed multiple voice providers and multiple data providers. Coalition changes with FTTN allows 1 voice provider if you don't have a data provider. It also only allows 1 data provider.

FTTP has far better capacity to scale to the future. Seems short sighted to change infrastructure investment for only the here and now and ignoring future growth. Malcolm still spouting old figures for FTTP deployment costs yet happy to use newer/adjusted FTTN deployment costs.

As for satellite - too latent for many uses and high cost. Mobile phone network has too many limitations - spectrum limitations and retail cost of data is far too high to replace much fixed line use.

 

[PZ99]

^ Precisely. Do it once. Do it right. And do it with the good sheet