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The Labor Party are still in denial of the financial crisis they created 2007/2013.

Henry Ergas sums up the World's greatest treasurer and Holy praised by Chris Bowen.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...se-of-wayne-swan/story-fn7078da-1227581725294

It may be symptomatic of that “instinctive distaste for the past” that historian Keith Hancock thought characterised Australians that there is no official history of the Treasury. Chris Bowen’s The Money Men doesn’t claim to fill that gap, but it does provide vivid and insightful portraits of some of our more prominent treasurers.

In doing so, however, it also confirms Labor has learned nothing from the policy errors of the Rudd-Gillard-Rudd years.

Assessing treasurers, as Bowen aims to do, is hardly simple. Of course, their insight, diligence and endurance must count in the balance, along with their mastery of the craft of politics; and in the end, it is surely outcomes that matter.

But what Machiavelli said of human action is especially true of those at the helm of public affairs: that all attempts at controlling events are confronted by Fortune with an irreducible element of opposition, which Machiavelli described as arising from the forces of chaos, fatality, necessity and ignorance. Only by the exercise of Virtue can Fortune be overcome, avoiding the otherwise inevitable fate of decay and defeat.


And more.

Whether the Rudd government’s stimulus spending during the global financial crisis “saved” us from recession is controversial; what is certain is that instead of subsequently winding it back, Labor kept adding to long-term spending commitments even once it was clear that the waning of the resource boom meant they could not be funded.

Rather than showing the political courage, and strength of character, to refuse to make promises that could never be honoured, Swan and his colleagues laid time bombs for their successors. But Bowen includes Swan in his pantheon of heroes, with his harshest criticism being that individual measures “could have been improved”.

Ultimately, Fadden took fiscal stewardship seriously; Swan did not. And still now, as Bowen’s discussion highlights, Labor refuses to acknowledge the mess it left behind, much less help resolve it.

Bowen has therefore missed an opportunity to honestly reconsider the future in the light of the past.

Until Labor does, it will be doomed to repeat the errors that have cost it, and Aus
tralia, dearly.
 
The Labor Party are still in denial of the financial crisis they created 2007/2013.

Henry Ergas sums up the World's greatest treasurer and Holy praised by Chris Bowen.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...se-of-wayne-swan/story-fn7078da-1227581725294

It may be symptomatic of that “instinctive distaste for the past” that historian Keith Hancock thought characterised Australians that there is no official history of the Treasury. Chris Bowen’s The Money Men doesn’t claim to fill that gap, but it does provide vivid and insightful portraits of some of our more prominent treasurers.

In doing so, however, it also confirms Labor has learned nothing from the policy errors of the Rudd-Gillard-Rudd years.

Assessing treasurers, as Bowen aims to do, is hardly simple. Of course, their insight, diligence and endurance must count in the balance, along with their mastery of the craft of politics; and in the end, it is surely outcomes that matter.

But what Machiavelli said of human action is especially true of those at the helm of public affairs: that all attempts at controlling events are confronted by Fortune with an irreducible element of opposition, which Machiavelli described as arising from the forces of chaos, fatality, necessity and ignorance. Only by the exercise of Virtue can Fortune be overcome, avoiding the otherwise inevitable fate of decay and defeat.

What a load of bollocks.
 
With union membership in the private sector at its lowest now down to 11%, it now understandable why Shorten and his union comrades exhorted to blackmailing business to pay for employee membership, without the employees knowledge, in return for industrial peace.

It was another way of boosting the Labor cash cow......So, with membership down and the effect that the TURC will have, the ALP coffers will start to dry up.....Poor buggers...I feel really sorry for them.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...584609268?sv=9e8a2a2a6014f7c23ebfa20e33c3b183

A drop in union membership to 11 per cent in the private sector has revived calls for Malcolm Turnbull to further deregulate the labour market and increased pressure on Bill Shorten to slash union representation at the ALP national conference.

Employment Minister Michaelia Cash seized on figures from the Australian Bureau of Statistics showing union membership had plummeted from 17 per cent in August 2013 to 15 per cent by August last year.

Senator Cash warned that, despite declining members, *unions were wielding greater control over the Shorten-led *opposition in what she slammed as a “toxic relationship” undermining workers interests.
 
More clear evidence the CFMEU is in control of the Labor Party....Is it any wonder workers are deserting the union movement in droves.

Some of the rusted on Labor supporters are still living in the 19th century by hanging on to an ancient system of the union movement.....The union movement has now become redundant and most of the unions are only interested in power and not its members.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...rkers-dont-count/story-fnbcok0h-1227590100210

The union movement is in terminal decline, bleeding members in both the private and public sectors, and plagued with allegations of systemic corruption and criminality. While most voters support the principle of collective bargaining in workplaces, they are deserting unions in droves.

But as unions have diminished in workplaces, they have increased their influence inside the ACTU and the Labor Party. Rogue militant unions such as the Construction, Forestry, Mining and Energy Union effectively run the *traditionally moderate ACTU. Scores of union leaders moonlight as Labor factional operatives and exercise excessive influence over policy, candidates and *personnel.

The incredible shrinking union movement now represents a dismal 11 per cent of the private-sector workforce. Yet unions are still able to appoint 50 per cent of delegates to most state Labor conferences. Moreover, these delegates are often paid operatives of union secretarie
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Nearly 50% of the population will prefer the Labor Party over the combined might of the Liberal Party and the National Party at the next election.

You gotta keep things in perspective even if you have an irrational hatred of people you don't even know. :D
 
Nearly 50% of the population will prefer the Labor Party over the combined might of the Liberal Party and the National Party at the next election.

:D

Your dreaming again Tisme.

Last election Labor only got 33.4% of the primary vote.

And that was 33.4% too much.
 
Nearly 50% of the population will prefer the Labor Party over the combined might of the Liberal Party and the National Party at the next election.

You gotta keep things in perspective even if you have an irrational hatred of people you don't even know. :D

Wishful thinking my friend....You are joking of course?
 
Historical data also indicates the LUG Party are poor financial controllers....Big spenders..... big taxers......big wasters.

and ahh'... a bit bigger on progress.

you know progress don't you noco? that's where you have ideas about how to make things better and then going about instituting those ideas... omelettes and broken eggs and all that.
as opposed to breaking things you just don't like... like say Iraq.

and tell us how much did the recently departed treasurer increase the total government debt? to the nearest $100 billion, (oh masters of financial control) in his fortuitously short term.(but no where near short enough); and I don't mean by the money directed from the public purse to his personal entitlements, manipulated travel allowance/wife's house BS and all.

ahh, I know that I'm speaking for some...There is a lot of relief about regarding the terrible intellectual constipation of the recent political past. and it feels better by the day.
 
and ahh'... a bit bigger on progress.

you know progress don't you noco? that's where you have ideas about how to make things better and then going about instituting those ideas... omelettes and broken eggs and all that.
as opposed to breaking things you just don't like... like say Iraq.

and tell us how much did the recently departed treasurer increase the total government debt? to the nearest $100 billion, (oh masters of financial control) in his fortuitously short term.(but no where near short enough); and I don't mean by the money directed from the public purse to his personal entitlements, manipulated travel allowance/wife's house BS and all.

ahh, I know that I'm speaking for some...There is a lot of relief about regarding the terrible intellectual constipation of the recent political past. and it feels better by the day.

Yeah I have to admit I'm rather disappointed in the LNP not halting the debt spiral and actually adding to it. Blaming the Labor party for fiscal policy rather than modifying it sufficiently points to incompetency in my view. They had six years to formulate a plan and seem to have done nothing but learn how to carp and harp.

And for liberal party voters to enjoy the mess because it shows the labor party as flawed is tantamount to self harm and deserving of the caster oil solution that will be coming.
 
and ahh'... a bit bigger on progress.

you know progress don't you noco? that's where you have ideas about how to make things better and then going about instituting those ideas... omelettes and broken eggs and all that.
as opposed to breaking things you just don't like... like say Iraq.

and tell us how much did the recently departed treasurer increase the total government debt? to the nearest $100 billion, (oh masters of financial control) in his fortuitously short term.(but no where near short enough); and I don't mean by the money directed from the public purse to his personal entitlements, manipulated travel allowance/wife's house BS and all.

ahh, I know that I'm speaking for some...There is a lot of relief about regarding the terrible intellectual constipation of the recent political past. and it feels better by the day.


Typical Lug Party waffle.

You don't even know what you are talking about.
 
Your dreaming again Tisme.

Last election Labor only got 33.4% of the primary vote.

And that was 33.4% too much.

No no no

you need to 'carefully' read my posts .... I am never wrong, you know that. The keyword is "preferred", we have a preferential voting system n'est pas?

If we are going to compare first past post Labor always wins against LIberals, Greens, Nats, etc. I don't make the figures up they are on the ABS site to view.

I know it hurts some punters, but votes are the cornerstone of our great Mockocracy. :D
 
Historical data also indicates the LUG Party are poor financial controllers....Big spenders..... big taxers......big wasters.

I'm not arguing with you. I take an even harder view that if you have a bleeding heart in charge money will be spent on the fringes, which in itself is great for the legitimate strugglers, but the gravy train that interfaces govt to end user is tantamount to criminal use of taxpayer monies in my view. This is why I do not want Wong and Tanya having any power in the next Lab govt.


I still can't get over the 25% taken by project managers, 25% taken by state govts, 15% taken by design consultants before any money made its way to the construction of school halls, wherein most of the family builders went bust.
 
Historical data also indicates the LUG Party are poor financial controllers....Big spenders..... big taxers......big wasters.

It's been pointed out to you many times that one of the biggest spenders in our history was the Howard government.

They wasted mining boom money on recurrent expenditure like family tax benefits and super tax concessions for the rich instead of infrastructure investment.

Family tax benefits are now our second biggest welfare expense after the OAP and all thanks to John Howard.
 
No no no

you need to 'carefully' read my posts .... I am never wrong, you know that. The keyword is "preferred", we have a preferential voting system n'est pas?

If we are going to compare first past post Labor always wins against LIberals, Greens, Nats, etc. I don't make the figures up they are on the ABS site to view.

I know it hurts some punters, but votes are the cornerstone of our great Mockocracy. :D


Labor, Bill and Tisme..... still dreamin'


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Malcolm Turnbull has deleted the Sir and Dames Knighthoods.....

Can we now expect Sir Rumpole to change to Mr. Rumpole?
 
It's been pointed out to you many times that one of the biggest spenders in our history was the Howard government.

They wasted mining boom money on recurrent expenditure like family tax benefits and super tax concessions for the rich instead of infrastructure investment.

Family tax benefits are now our second biggest welfare expense after the OAP and all thanks to John Howard.

You may as well add, "look into my eyes, look into my eyes, Labor were never in office, they never spent any of the mining boom money and never ran a deficit". :D

Just write Labors six years of chaos, out of history, like a bad dream.:banghead:
 
It's been pointed out to you many times that one of the biggest spenders in our history was the Howard government.

They wasted mining boom money on recurrent expenditure like family tax benefits and super tax concessions for the rich instead of infrastructure investment.
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Agree with that summary on the Howard / Costello years.

It is amazing that so many conservative commentators criticise governments adopting Keynesian economics when Keynes would have suggested the Australian govt led by Howard withdraw expenditure throughout the mining boom so we would have had savings to deploy now, rather than having to rely solely on interest rates at levels that would have to be distorting long term rational investment. We actually have to withdraw govt spending (to reign in the deficit) at the worst possible time.

All that said Rudd / Gillard years were even worse in my opinion. The day before the school hall / $1000 cheque budget I was excited with all the speculation about a big infrastructure spend... As I read the budget that morning I had a feeling of total disappointment. While the labor party can be proud of their contribution to the harbour bridge, snowy river scheme and many other projects, the labor party of the 21st century doesn't even get the one thing they have historically been good at right; backing projects with vision.

Before anyone says it, I don't watch anywhere near enough live streaming pornography for me to consider the NBN visionary....
 
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