Another Asian plane goes missing

[tech/a]

This is getting very very suss
Mega height then gone.
I'm convinced these are not accidents or un organised
Someone knows something and it's not us!

Airports of low security or very late flights out
Pilots with 1000s hrs experience

These planes will in my opinion pop up sonewhere in the future

Not good.

 

[darkhorse70]

+1.

 

[Smurf1976]

Must say that I was some what "numb" on hearing this news today.

First one my first reaction was OK, a plane crash. A terrible thing but we all know it's possible. Only after the failure to find anything did I start to think that maybe something else had happened.

Second time, the one that was shot down, my reaction was anger but at least it seemed reasonably certain that the plane had indeed crashed and hadn't simply disappeared without trace. A disaster certainly, but at least we know roughly what happened.

This time, I'm just stunned. Thought we'd seen the lot, now it seems that we haven't. Whilst it could have just been an accident, my fear is that this quite likely isn't the case and that foul play is involved somehow.

Agreed with tech's comments. I also wouldn't be surprised if these planes, two of them now, eventually reappear. And if that were to happen then I'm pretty sure they won't simply be landing normally at an airport somewhere. Not good.

 

[pavilion103]

After this 3rd one I'm afraid to fly.

My sister arrived in Nepal the day before. I'm glad I already knew she landed safely.

Had I heard "plane missing" it would have been a sick feeling.

I'm genuinely afraid to fly now. Never had the slightest such concern before.

 

[bellenuit]

I don't see this as anything else other than an accident probably caused by severe weather. There will always be a few of these each year. Though MH370 is indeed a mystery, that doesn't mean that every flight that goes down or is missing from now on is part of some conspiracy. There is no mystery behind the Ukrainian incident other than proof of which side did it and the fact that it was Malaysian was just unfortunate for that airline, but insignificant as to why it was it rather than another flying that same airspace.

 

[pixel]

I don't see this as anything else other than an accident probably caused by severe weather. There will always be a few of these each year. Though MH370 is indeed a mystery, that doesn't mean that every flight that goes down or is missing from now on is part of some conspiracy. There is no mystery behind the Ukrainian incident other than proof of which side did it and the fact that it was Malaysian was just unfortunate for that airline, but insignificant as to why it was it rather than another flying that same airspace.

+1

It has been reported that in their last communication with Traffic Control, the pilots reported bad weather ahead and requested permission to change course. Unless we find proof that was a lie, I wouldn't jump to conclusions, accusations, or panic.

 

[CanOz]

This is getting very very suss
Mega height then gone.
I'm convinced these are not accidents or un organised
Someone knows something and it's not us!

Airports of low security or very late flights out
Pilots with 1000s hrs experience

These planes will in my opinion pop up sonewhere in the future

Not good.

Guys its important to put this into perspective. Asia is getting busy for aircraft, much busier than its was before, i don't have to look up the data, i've lived here for long enough (21 years in Asia Pac). This is just a symptom of a busier airspace IMO. Besides, the one that got shot down was not in Asia.

I do agree that a flight disappearing off radar at altitude seems suspicious after the last Mal. Airlines, but seriously, this is quite possible, the area is riddled with thunder storms and with that, turbulent air.



Certainly not afraid to fly

CanOz

 

[Boggo]

Looks like the weather could have been a factor.

These cumulonimbus thunderstorm clouds can go up to 60 thousand feet. Getting too close to one of those can have an undesired outcome.

 

[CanOz]

Looks like the weather could have been a factor.

These cumulonimbus thunderstorm clouds can go up to 60 thousand feet. Getting too close to one of those can have an undesired outcome.

Yeah, agree....every time i fly anywhere near S.E.Asia it gets bumpy, you can see the storms out the window at night, quite spectacular. Anything could have happened. I hope the air speed indicators were not like the ones on the older A330's.

CanOz

 

[pavilion103]

I agree that we wait and see what they find.

I think just the three accidents in 9 months and how publicized they have been shakes me up a little.

I think it's the frequency that alarms me rather than any of the latter two accidents.

 

[SirRumpole]

I agree that we wait and see what they find.

I think just the three accidents in 9 months and how publicized they have been shakes me up a little.

I think it's the frequency that alarms me rather than any of the latter two accidents.

Air accidents are publicised because they very rarely happen.

Sometimes they happen in a cluster which is certainly disturbing, but over the long trend air accident deaths are miniscule compared with road accidents, heart attacks and strokes caused by lifestyle abuse, suicides and murders.

Did you see the radar track of the planes direction and how many other aircraft were in the air at the same time ?

Crashes compared to passenger distance travelled is far better than other forms of transport.

 

[Tisme]

Well I remember the 70's and planes dropping like flies.

Be interesting to see the actual data on plane losses over time.

 

[Julia]

I don't see this as anything else other than an accident probably caused by severe weather. There will always be a few of these each year. Though MH370 is indeed a mystery, that doesn't mean that every flight that goes down or is missing from now on is part of some conspiracy. There is no mystery behind the Ukrainian incident other than proof of which side did it and the fact that it was Malaysian was just unfortunate for that airline, but insignificant as to why it was it rather than another flying that same airspace.

+2. Radio National covered this in some detail this morning. Their expert said the weather was particularly bad and generalised, so difficult for them to climb out of it, despite their advice that they would be changing course.

Another factor, he said, was that the aircraft was not fitted with the latest, most sophisticated radar.
His suggested explanation at this stage was that the aircraft, attempting to climb higher had not attained sufficient speed and had stalled.

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational...rch-resumes-for-airasia-flight-qz8501/5990838

But then there is this, from latest ABC News:

Mr Hansford said another aspect of the flight was that an unconfirmed passenger manifest shows 23 people who booked to fly did not show up.

He said this was explainable, but it is something that authorities should investigate.

"If it's all a connected group, there's nothing of any complexity in it," he said.

"But if they were 23 people who just didn't make it, we could start to wonder why so many people didn't join the plane."

 

[McLovin]

I think it's the frequency that alarms me rather than any of the latter two accidents.

It's actually been a below average year for air accidents.

Would you get me on an Indonesian registered aircraft? Not a chance in h3ll. Although Garuda has supposedly improved in recent years, it was banned from flying in the EU, because of safety, until 2009.

 

[Boggo]

Well I remember the 70's and planes dropping like flies.

Be interesting to see the actual data on plane losses over time.

The 70's were interesting.

 

[Boggo]

That graph above only accounts for the first three months of 2014.

 

[DB008]

After this 3rd one I'm afraid to fly.

I'm genuinely afraid to fly now. Never had the slightest such concern before.

Really?

MH370 - I believe that the captain (Zaharie Ahmad Shah) did it (lost the plane on purpose).

MH17 - Shot down by Russian backed separatists/rebels

Air Asia - Bad weather and/or not experienced enough pilots and/or fuselage fatigue.



As Sir Rumpole said, if you look at transporting people, by km's, air travel is still the safest option.

Deaths per billion km's - 0.05

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviation_safety#Comparison_to_other_modes_of_travel

 

[pavilion103]

Really? MH370 - I believe that the captain (Zaharie Ahmad Shah) did it (lost the plane on purpose). MH17 - Shot down by Russian backed separatists/rebels Air Asia - Bad weather and/or not experienced enough pilots and/or fuselage fatigue. As Sir Rumpole said, if you look at transporting people, by km's, air travel is still the safest option.

I dunno. I've just never seen so much publicity around plane accidents.

But you're right. The stats show that.

 

[Macquack]

I dunno. I've just never seen so much publicity around plane accidents.

But you're right. The stats show that.

That TV program "Air Crash Investigations" has a lot to answer for.

It is a great series, but who would watch it prior to boarding an aircraft?

 

[burglar]

... who would watch it prior to boarding an aircraft?

Me, ...

But I was sorry later!