2013 Federal Election: 7 September 2013

[moXJO]

The Herald and the AFR both endorsed Abbott yesterday.

AFR not so much but the others had one article that conceded a labor defeat and the rest with digs at Abbott. One in the SMH basically called Australians stupid for voting for Abbott. SMH and others have been consistent with daily negative Abbott articles filling their news.

Labor supporters are very feral at the moment and are almost trying to claim a win because they didn't have a total wipeout. Personally I do not see politics getting any better in the near future while the senate is hostile. Even though I wasn't expecting a labor thrashing it would have been nice to clear more dead wood out of labor. While I am cautiously optimistic that the libs won it was more about getting rid of Rudd/Gillard.

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[So_Cynical]

There's an interesting split within Tas too.



3. Liberal won the rest, noting that the Tas economy is pretty much stuffed especially in the northern half of the state (Launceston isn't so bad, but apart from that it's stuffed).

The really strange thing and my main point is that, in Tas at least, Liberal is effectively now the default "workers party"

I see it as the Labor/green alliance screwing rural Tasmania, and the locals voting accordingly, i used to live in a isolated forestry based seat (NSW) and its easy for the locals to vote like they are outcasts, and that's because they are outcasts.

The main stream marginalises them, screws them and the locals just have to cop it...and they don't like it.

 

[Aussiejeff]

The only reason Labor were not annihilated in this election is thanks solely to PUP and his preferences.

That's right, Mr Clive Palmer who has so far polled 5.6% of the national vote, almost as much as the Greens, saved Labor's :arsch: in QLD..pure and simple. There's a bunch of Labor seats that hung on for no other reason than PUP's preferences flowing to them in QLD. How does that make Labor feel? Elated? What a joke. Not one word from Labor polly-wafflers thanking Mr Palmer for his wonderful support?

Worst primary vote for Labor since the 1930's (a piddling 33.8%) :fan yet myopic Labor acolytes are falling over themselves with self-praise? That victory speech by Rudd was the most selfish, petty concession speech I've ever had the misfortune to witness. Appalling selfie-agrandisement. Even worse, most of the remaining flotsam, jetsam and Union hacks from the Gillard-Rudd debacle years are still in power in the Party backrooms. Absolutely doomed for at least another election rout in 3 years - unless 50% of those dead-wooders get the boot before then, or take the honorable road and "retire".

Not a disaster for Labor? Get real and sniff the daisies. Better still, get the knives out and remove the cancer within completely.

Laughable.

 

[Logique]

The only reason Labor were not annihilated in this election is thanks solely to PUP and his preferences.

That's right, Mr Clive Palmer who has so far polled 5.6% of the national vote, almost as much as the Greens, saved Labor's :arsch: in QLD..pure and simple. There's a bunch of Labor seats that hung on for no other reason than PUP's preferences flowing to them in QLD....

PUP preference deals might also save Greens Sen SHY in SA.

In NSW, Pauline Hanson remains a chance for a Senate seat.

Overall:

Sweetest of Victories:
http://www.news.com.au/national-new...er/story-fnho52qo-1226714322041#ixzz2eF8F1688

...This is a victory over a cultural elite that mocked him, and Labor, which vilified him as a "misogynist"and bigot.

It is particularly a victory over the green movement, which Abbott fought from the day he won the Opposition leadership four years ago...

...Labor deserved to lose but it took Abbott to spot where it was weakest.

Abbott used the carbon tax to destroy Labor and will now destroy the tax itself.

He will also strip billions of dollars from green schemes....

 

[Smurf1976]

I see it as the Labor/green alliance screwing rural Tasmania, and the locals voting accordingly, i used to live in a isolated forestry based seat (NSW) and its easy for the locals to vote like they are outcasts, and that's because they are outcasts.

The main stream marginalises them, screws them and the locals just have to cop it...and they don't like it.

Agreed. I'm not sure what the situation is in the other states, but that's certainly true in Tas. The Liberals have won every electorate not in or near the capital city. That is, those electorates where agriculture, forestry (which is stuffed...), mining (which the Greens are trying to stop), manufacturing (much of which is already gone and it's no secret that the Greens are long term opponents of two large heavy industrial employers in northern Tas) have all gone to the Liberals.

Without knowing the economic details of electorates in other states it's harder to comment on those, although I did notice that the only win for the Greens was in inner Melbourne (ie office workers, students etc not miners and farmers) and that Labor seems to have done reasonably in the urban area of Sydney (again a similar underlying economic base).

So basically, I'm seeing that those who live in regions dependent on farming, mining, forestry, heavy industry, energy etc have gone to the Liberals. Not an unexpected result in view of policy, the ironic thing being that it was Labor governments who got many of those industries up and running in the first place many years ago and they employ many of Labor's tradtitional "blue collar" supporters. Meanwhile the "clean, Green" vision of the Greens has an implicit link to food production but that doesn't translate to actual support in farming areas.

So there's a degree of "city versus the bush" in all of this it would seem, environmental issues being the underlying basis.

 

[bunyip]

Congratulations to Tony Abbott and the Coalition
I think he will make a good PM.

Labor only have themselves to blame and I am glad its over.

Yes. Labor have only themselves to blame.

How could this Labor government seriously expect to be voted back in after six years of lies, character assassination, dysfunction and infighting, reckless spending, budget deficits, spiraling debt, and general incompetence. Not to mention an election campaign in which they continually resorted to lies, deceit, and negativity.

The criticisms that could be legitimately leveled at the Rudd/Gillard Labor government are almost endless.
For the next fifty years or more this government will be viewed with anger and contempt by a lot of people, just like the Whitlam government of the 1970’s is still despised by many today.
And the contempt won’t just be on account of their economic incompetence either – some people have more personal reasons to despise this government. Like, for example, the family of the woman who was killed when a truck squashed her car on the Toowoomba range.
Her granddaughter was trapped in the car for two hours beside her dead grandmother before she could be cut free – she is still traumatized to this day.
The dead woman was a lovely person, a mother, wife, grandmother, and now she’s gone.
What’s this got to do with the Rudd government?
When Rudd came to power he scrapped the 700 million dollars that the Howard government had allocated for the new Toowoomba range crossing. He could find 20 billion dollars for his stupid school halls project, more billions for roof insulation, 12 billion to waste on illegal boat people. But he couldn’t find a relatively paltry 700 million to replace one of the busiest and most dangerous sections of road in the country. Result – people have been getting killed on this section of range since Rudd became PM six years ago.
There were deaths on this road before Rudd came to power too, but at least something was going to be done about it. But not by Rudd – even though he’s a Queenslander who lives only an hour and a half from this problem section of road, and even though it’s one of the most commercially important roads in the country, Rudd has adopted a ‘couldn’t care less’ attitude to the problem.
The families of the many people killed on this road would be justified in viewing Rudd with absolute contempt.

These are the personal tragedies that can result from a bad government – Rudd and Gillard have a lot more to answer for than just stuffing up Australia.
Thank goodness Australians have had the sense to throw them on the scrap heap where they belong. Good riddance to the scourge that has been the Rudd/Gillard Labor government.

 

[Judd]

For me it was relatively simple - if anything to do with politics is simple.

I am in favour of a number of Labor's policies more so than those proposed by the Liberals or other candidates. So why did I not vote for my local Labor member? Because I no longer had confidence the leader of the Labor Party had the ability to effectively implement those policies. I had hoped Ms Gillard would have done so but when she was replaced by Mr Rudd, my voting inclination changed. Noting more and nothing less than that.

 

[Calliope]

ONLY IN QUEENSLAND

Only Queenslanders could inflict on their fellow Australians such nutters and nasties as Katter, Rudd and Hansen and now Palmer and his stooge Glen Lazarus.

Nowhere else could a conservative electorate like Fairfax deliver a 29% primary vote to an absolute lying buffoon like Palmer.

Last night in his "victory" speech to applause from his wife and the noisy mob Rudd made this despicable statement;

"Bill Glasson, eat your heart out"

First preferences Glasson, 42.4%
Rudd, 40.7%
Rudd back courtesy of the Green nutters.

There is a little light at the end of the tunnel. Rudd probably won't hang about for long and in the ensuing by-election Glasson will romp in.

 

[nioka]

There is a little light at the end of the tunnel.

You now have what you have been squarking about for a long time. When we see the dust settle and we see which promises were "non core" (a liberal party definition of lies) and which are fair dinkum then we can make a judgement. It is a long tunnel and that light may just end up a flood light at the end of the mine.

 

[Julia]

It looks as though with PUP around, the protest vote no longer flows straight to the Greens, which can't be a bad thing.

Yes and no. The Greens at least stand for something they genuinely believe in. Clive Palmer, with all his money (full page advertising in all the main dailies plus saturation on radio and TV), is simply amusing himself, a bit like his silly dinosaurs and the model of the Titanic. If he does gain Fairfax, it's my bet his voting pattern will reflect his personal dislikes of individuals, rather than any consideration of what's best for the country.
He's even more duplicitous than Rudd with his promises of handing out huge tax cuts, cash, and pension increases. This is the sort of rubbish that these people with no accountability do and the suckers actually swallow it.

I don't hold high hopes for Abbott but hopefully he'll surprise to the upside.

I think we all feel pretty much like this. Let's hope the Abbott bashers can hold off for a while. He'll probably be less than great until he gets confidence in the job. I'd like to think we can give him a decent chance.

I've travelled to plenty of countries and most of the world's population don't have the luxury of voting out an unpopular government. As I got my sausage and lamington at the sausage sizzle outside the polling booth I remembered what a great country this is. Not because we can whinge and moan about the government but because we can take for granted the right to have an opinion and express it.

Yes, indeed. And we do take our privileged status for granted.

I'd take a guess that there will be people who caught a glimpse of the news coverage whilst in a shop etc and will now honestly be thinking that Labor has won the election. I mean that seriously - if someone saw a minute or two of Rudd and nothing else, they'd go away thinking he was claiming victory. It won't be until sometime tomorrow that they find out that this is not actually the case.

Exactly what my reaction was. He has the most astonishing capacity for self deception. And Labor are congratulating themselves all over the place about 'how well they did'.

 

[basilio]

You now have what you have been squarking about for a long time. When we see the dust settle and we see which promises were "non core" (a liberal party definition of lies) and which are fair dinkum then we can make a judgement. It is a long tunnel and that light may just end up a flood light at the end of the mine.

Plus 10.

It will be interesting to see
1) Just what promises are kept
2) How well the Liberals govern ie good governance, effective management

Time will tell.

 

[springhill]

You now have what you have been squarking about for a long time. When we see the dust settle and we see which promises were "non core" (a liberal party definition of lies) and which are fair dinkum then we can make a judgement. It is a long tunnel and that light may just end up a flood light at the end of the mine.

Plus 10.

It will be interesting to see
1) Just what promises are kept
2) How well the Liberals govern ie good governance, effective management

Time will tell.

Can I offer you some salt with those wounds?

Funny how you can both predict doom and gloom under Tony Abbott ahead of time, but you couldn't see the disaster right in front of your noses.....

 

[Calliope]

Can I offer you some salt with those wounds?

Funny how you can both predict doom and gloom under Tony Abbott ahead of time, but you couldn't see the disaster right in front of your noses.....

Plus 11...just to add a little more salt for bas while busily licking her wounds.

 

[Miss Hale]

Boy you really showed her.

It was mainly a tactic so that she didn't approach me as she was talking to everyone in turn in the queue and I didn't want to engage with her. Sure I could have abused her about the terrible job Labor have done since 2007 but I will leave the abuse to those on the left As for 'showing her', actions speak louder than words and I made my intentions clear once I got to the ballot box.

 

[Logique]

...those who live in regions dependent on farming, mining, forestry, heavy industry, energy etc have gone to the Liberals.
So there's a degree of "city versus the bush" in all of this it would seem, environmental issues being the underlying basis.

Smurf and So Cynical, so for broader Tasmania, the penny has finally dropped. Better late than never.

Perhaps there was some resonance in '..what they did to Tasmania, they'll do to the rest of us..'

QLD wasn't the rout of Labor that many predicted, but SA, Vic and Tas reacted savagely to the coup against Julia Gillard.

 

[Whiskers]

Smurf, thanks (from a cane toad) for a better insight into Tas.

I would pick you up on one little (maybe typo) error... our former Country Party, come Nationals up here ( and apparently more so in the west) formed an alliance with the Libs, the LNP, and sometimes get a bit touchy when the Libs try to take all the credit and power.

So basically, I'm seeing that those who live in regions dependent on farming, mining, forestry, heavy industry, energy etc have gone to the Liberals. Not an unexpected result in view of policy, the ironic thing being that it was Labor governments who got many of those industries up and running in the first place many years ago and they employ many of Labor's tradtitional "blue collar" supporters.

ONLY IN QUEENSLAND

Only Queenslanders could inflict on their fellow Australians such nutters and nasties as Katter, Rudd and Hansen and now Palmer and his stooge Glen Lazarus.

Pretty strong words against your fellow humans Calliope, which you no doubt resent others directing similar towards you.

Excessive adjectives aside, one would reasonably argue that apart from Rudd, none of the others actually had or are likely to "inflict" anything on the greater Australian community, apart from a lot of huff and puff in the media.

I'd suggest, while the Greens supporters, principally in the south of the country may have meant well, the far left element of the Greens party are probably more responsible for inflicting nutter and nasty decisions on their fellow Australians than anyone else... especially after they won significant influence in the Gillard Government. The live sheep and cattle export markets are probably the best example of a knee jerk reaction to something that required much better diplomacy.

It clearly caused a dysfunctional Labor to corrupt their core values and better judgement, which even influenced the LNP to match or out do some of their welfare policies in particular in order to cause a change in government.

I think we all feel pretty much like this. Let's hope the Abbott bashers can hold off for a while. He'll probably be less than great until he gets confidence in the job. I'd like to think we can give him a decent chance.

I agree, in all the circumstances he deserves a fair go to prove himself, one way or the other.

 

[wayneL]

Plus 10.

It will be interesting to see
1) Just what promises are kept
2) How well the Liberals govern ie good governance, effective management

Time will tell.

1) There are many of their promises I hope they don't keep.
2) Going by the nauseating comments on social media from the malignant baying reds, I am not hopeful of a balanced assessment from the same.

 

[Calliope]

They will have to do something about the ridiculous Senate ballot paper, but I have high hopes the Queensland PUP voters, who are obviously of low intelligence, will have stuffed it up and voted informal.

 

[Calliope]

Pretty strong words against your fellow humans Calliope, which you no doubt resent others directing similar towards you.

Not at all. If I were like them, and a political aspirant, I would expect to be a target of derision. Which of them do you have praise for? Be my guest. By the way I overlooked Bjelke Peterson in my list.

And you say they can do no harm. Only if you are anti-LNP.

Anxiety was high for the Coalition in NSW, where Arthur Sinodinos, who could be a senior figure in the new government, was in a life-and-death struggle with One Nation's Pauline Hanson for the state's sixth seat. Despite a primary vote of only 1.25 per cent, a very strong preference flow appeared likely to get Ms Hanson across the line, although three-quarters of the vote remained to be counted last night.

Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/fed...tony-abbott-20130907-2tcqu.html#ixzz2eGyipOFJ

 

[noco]

How low can this slimy Slipper go to get votes on shirt tails of the LNP?




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