NBN Rollout Scrapped

[sydboy007]

The rest of the world would think if somewhat crazy if a country sold its' natural resources overseas for song, borrowed heaps of money to buy the same houses it already had and then couldn't afford decent internet.

Australia's political "leaders" are a joke. All of them.

Add in we have have actively designed the tax system to reward speculation over hard work ie NG housing in the hope of capital gains being enough to offset the income loss. Bat poo crazy

 

[sydboy007]

In an interview on Sky News yesterday, Turnbull was asked about the issue. “I want to ask what sort of deal Telstra can expect here, what are you willing to pay Telstra for access to that copper link?” host David Speers asked Turnbull. The full video transcript - http://www.malcolmturnbull.com.au/media/sky-news-interview-26-august-2013#.Uh2p2RtkPIx

It will be interesting to see if Thoedy responds to this.

 

[drsmith]

MALCOLM Turnbull's fibre-copper hybrid internet solution has achieved 100 megabits per second download speeds in an enormous inner-Sydney apartment block, in what he sees as a vindication of Coalition policy.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/aus...-with-nbn-speeds/story-fn4iyzsr-1226709390846

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/aus...ments-bypass-nbn/story-e6frganx-1226709304941

The following, IIRC has been touched on already in this thread.



Something along the lines of ultimately withdrawing the digital FTA spectrum so the only option for TV is the internet ?

 

[sydboy007]

Now Tony wants to filter all internet content.

I wonder what happened to his working group that was supposed to report back to him by mid 2012 on the Labor internet filter. He was so opposed to it back then. Seems now it's no long ALP policy it's a good thing.

Sheer bastardy to release a policy like this just 2 days before the election.

 

[bellenuit]

Now Tony wants to filter all internet content.

I wonder what happened to his working group that was supposed to report back to him by mid 2012 on the Labor internet filter. He was so opposed to it back then. Seems now it's no long ALP policy it's a good thing.

Sheer bastardy to release a policy like this just 2 days before the election.

Get real. It is an opt out system designed for parents to help them control what their kids view. They do have that right currently you know, except they don't have the means to do effectively do it. At best this will help parents in this task and at worst it will be ineffective, meaning we are exactly where we are today.

2 Days before the election is a lot better than 2 days after.

 

[sydboy007]

Get real. It is an opt out system designed for parents to help them control what their kids view. They do have that right currently you know, except they don't have the means to do effectively do it. At best this will help parents in this task and at worst it will be ineffective, meaning we are exactly where we are today.

2 Days before the election is a lot better than 2 days after.

Except that we will ALL be paying for an ineffective product. Every ISp is goign to have to fund some form of filtering. It's not cheap technology.

I dare say most teenagers will be able to do a bit of googling to bypass any filtering.

As for protecting young children, if a parent is letting them use the internet unsupervised then it's more about lack of parenting skills than dangers on the internet.

 

[Chris45]

I dare say most teenagers will be able to do a bit of googling to bypass any filtering.

As for protecting young children, if a parent is letting them use the internet unsupervised then it's more about lack of parenting skills than dangers on the internet.

Nothing will stop teenagers. They already create most of the pr0n they view.

Lack of parenting skills is the norm these days and that is the problem. How does responsible society protect kids from the incompetence of their parents?

 

[bellenuit]

As for protecting young children, if a parent is letting them use the internet unsupervised then it's more about lack of parenting skills than dangers on the internet.

That might have been the case before the mobile revolution, but it would be impossible to expect constant supervision nowadays. This in a way extends that supervision to when the kid is not with the parent.

My main fear, as someone on another thread said, is that it puts in place a piece of technology that future governments may extend for political censorship.

 

[Julia]

Now Tony wants to filter all internet content.

And you constantly criticise politicians and others for spouting lies and inaccuracies.

Bellenuit has appropriately corrected your above ridiculously alarmist statement.

 

[medicowallet]

Get real. It is an opt out system designed for parents to help them control what their kids view. They do have that right currently you know, except they don't have the means to do effectively do it. At best this will help parents in this task and at worst it will be ineffective, meaning we are exactly where we are today.

2 Days before the election is a lot better than 2 days after.

I was saying this exact thing to a bunch of medical students I was talking with today.

I guess it doesn't matter, as I have a lot of confidence that when they grow up, they will leave most of their socialism behind, like it seems a lot of older people do.

MW

 

[Calliope]

Sheer bastardy to release a policy like this just 2 days before the election.

It would be sheer stupidity rather than sheer bastardy. But it's a non-event. Nice try. Time's running out.

 

[drsmith]

More problems ?

The Australian can reveal that as of last week, connections to as many as 21,000 - one in eight - of the 163,500 existing homes and businesses passed by the fibre network were considered to contain defects in the network construction. Up to 7000 have major defects, which according to NBN Co documents, are those at risk of service degradation, outages or health and safety hazards.

The defects mean that network connections to thousands of homes and businesses, which have been classified as "ready for service", may require repairs before users can access the internet on the new network.

NBN Co last night disputed the figures, admitting there were significant defects but insisting the total number was lower than the figures obtained by The Australian.

Internal documents reveal NBN Co, which is building the $37.4bn network, was warned that a relaxation of its testing requirements when accepting completed work from its major construction partners was resulting in an increase in defects.

The documents warn that unless the NBN Co acts on recommendations to improve its construction processes and increase oversight of its delivery partners, it would be accepting a "sub-standard network into operation".

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...s-hit-rushed-nbn/story-e6frgaif-1226712731555

 

[sydboy007]

That might have been the case before the mobile revolution, but it would be impossible to expect constant supervision nowadays. This in a way extends that supervision to when the kid is not with the parent.

My main fear, as someone on another thread said, is that it puts in place a piece of technology that future governments may extend for political censorship.

Considering how easy it is to load apps on a mobile device I dare say they will be the easiest devices to bypass any form of filtering that parents wish apply.

I'm sure within days there'll be an app for that.

Hopefully the backlash has been enough to turn the coalition from enforcing this. I'm sure if there was demand for this service an ISP would already be offering it, but considering the low level of people willing to pay for spam filtering I doubt many parents will be willing to pay for content filtering either. I don't see why ALL customers should have to wear the cost of content filtering.

A simple way for content filtering is to use opendns.com and then set your home router to use their DNS IPs. You can then implement content filtering for FREE.

A simple google search will provide parents this information, so obviously those who want can / should already have it are eitehr not interested or ignoring it.

 

[medicowallet]

I think in 6-7 hours, some prominent posters in this thread will be feeling a little sore.

Oh well, time then to change focus (partially rightly so) to bashing the coalition's policy as opposed to defending the poorly developed and delivered Greens/Labor policy.

MW

 

[Calliope]

I think in 6-7 hours, some prominent posters in this thread will be feeling a little sore.

Oh well, time then to change focus (partially rightly so) to bashing the coalition's policy as opposed to defending the poorly developed and delivered Greens/Labor policy.

MW

I'm a little sore too, considering the godawful expensive shambles that NBN Co are bequeathing to Abbott and Turnbull to sort out. Like all Labor stuff-ups (e.g. PNG solution) it's going to be a long and costly process to salvage the usable bits.

 

[sptrawler]

Well I can give some hands on feedback.
The NBN have been mucking about outside the front of our place for weeks.
I asked one of the workers if I could get a connection, he said no, we are only connecting next door.
I nearly pissed myself laughing, what a joke.
This is obviously going to be the biggest stuff up since the 'pink batts' lol

 

[So_Cynical]

I think in 6-7 hours, some prominent posters in this thread will be feeling a little sore.

Oh well, time then to change focus (partially rightly so) to bashing the coalition's policy as opposed to defending the poorly developed and delivered Greens/Labor policy.

MW

Coalition broad band policy has gone from about 1 billion (no fibre) a decade ago to 6.25 Billion (Fibre backhaul) in 2010 to $29.5 Billion (Full Fibre backbone) in 2013...id say this is a clear policy win for Labor.

http://www.computerworld.com.au/art...ches_6_25_billion_alternative_broadband_plan/

From 1 to 30 Billion in ten years is a hell of a policy reversal.

 

[sydboy007]

So lets start the countdown for Malcolm

target Date: Dec 31 2016
target installed nodes: 40000 (i think it will need to be closer to 45000 but will be conservative)
Currently installed: 0
Required monthly avg install rate: 1025

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

I want a Ferrari too, but don't want't to pay for it. Hence I don't have one.

Thanks wayneL,

It looks as if those of us who were mocked for predicting the scrapping of the NBN were correct and a more affordable, workable, Turnbull service will be rolled out to all.

It will be done quickly and fairly, and not just to high income Range Rover voting ALP suburbs such as Mundingburra in Townsville.

gg

 

[medicowallet]

Coalition broad band policy has gone from about 1 billion (no fibre) a decade ago to 6.25 Billion (Fibre backhaul) in 2010 to $29.5 Billion (Full Fibre backbone) in 2013...id say this is a clear policy win for Labor.

http://www.computerworld.com.au/art...ches_6_25_billion_alternative_broadband_plan/

From 1 to 30 Billion in ten years is a hell of a policy reversal.

Well yes that is 30 times increase,

Still a 3x decrease on Labor's $90 billion elephant.

I am quite happy with my ADSL2. For all I care, they can scrap the rollout to more than 50% of people for no difference over the next decade.

(insert left wing nutter argument about how much greater need there is for hi def pr0n and pirated movie download requirements)

I see Armidale in NSW has become a tech monstrosity in this country with its NBN speeds allowing it to compete with China, Korea and America. What a great investment!!

MW