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Mark Thompson said alot last night about the situation and about Essendon.

Alot was leaked to the media that shouldnt have, and Hird administered those drugs even though he was told not to go down that path.

Bottom line is -- those players were administered drugs and they dont have any data of what it was or how it will affect them.
 
Tink said:
Mark Thompson said alot last night about the situation and about Essendon.

Alot was leaked to the media that shouldnt have, and Hird administered those drugs even though he was told not to go down that path.

Bottom line is -- those players were administered drugs and they dont have any data of what it was or how it will affect them.
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I don't believe that
What's the use of using supplements if you don't know what they are. ?

There's no way anyone would administer those and not keep records.
 
Mr Burns, he was defending both, there is alot we dont know, but he didnt agree with the supplements, and as mentioned, he was asked why he didnt push for it to be stopped.

He also said the way the AFL dealt with it was wrong, but he also mentioned things about the Club.

I am sure there is alot more to it.
I can see it from both sides.
 
Tink said:
Mr Burns, he was defending both, there is alot we dont know, but he didnt agree with the supplements, and as mentioned, he was asked why he didnt push for it to be stopped.

He also said the way the AFL dealt with it was wrong, but he also mentioned things about the Club.

I am sure there is alot more to it.
I can see it from both sides.
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I'd like to see the other side and I'm sure there is one but things like "hundreds of injections" without knowing what the drugs were is just stupid, Hird and Essendon accepted the punishment so that's it I guess.

I think there's too much we weren't told.
 
This thread has been fascinating lately, particularly the comparisons of viewpoint of the devotees and the non devotees.

The devotees favour the Lance Armstrong line of argument "We didn't do anything wrong, it's a conspiracy against us by those who are jealous of our success". The nondevotees are howled down for their objective arguments as to there being a program; the secrecy surrounding what drugs were injected; the frequency of the injections; and the possible health issues for the players in years to come as a result of this program.

It has been a bit like watching someone who has been diagnosed with cancer going through the emotional stages:

Denial;
Anger;
Bargaining;
Depression; and finally
Acceptance.

Some of the devotees posting here appear not to have reached the acceptance stage yet. Essendon brought this on themselves. I would bet that a silent majority of fans are disgusted, particularly at the aspect that the players have been treated with scant disregard in respect of possible effects on their long term health. The truth will come out and there aren't enough brooms in Australia to sweep it under the carpet.
 
nulla nulla said:
This thread has been fascinating lately, particularly the comparisons of viewpoint of the devotees and the non devotees.

The devotees favour the Lance Armstrong line of argument "We didn't do anything wrong, it's a conspiracy against us by those who are jealous of our success". The nondevotees are howled down for their objective arguments as to there being a program; the secrecy surrounding what drugs were injected; the frequency of the injections; and the possible health issues for the players in years to come as a result of this program.

It has been a bit like watching someone who has been diagnosed with cancer going through the emotional stages:

Denial;
Anger;
Bargaining;
Depression; and finally
Acceptance.

Some of the devotees posting here appear not to have reached the acceptance stage yet. Essendon brought this on themselves. I would bet that a silent majority of fans are disgusted, particularly at the aspect that the players have been treated with scant disregard in respect of possible effects on their long term health. The truth will come out and there aren't enough brooms in Australia to sweep it under the carpet.
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There was compelling evidence against Armstrong for doping and illegal activates, not so with Essendon, it seems the AFL think guilty by rumour is ok.

No one would take or administer a drug without knowing what it is and to suggest otherwise is just plain rubbish.
 
prawn_86 said:
The AFL dictatorship continues. Must be one of the few publicly visible businesses in Australia that has absolute power over its members etc
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Of course-If you want to play in the AFL or any visible club or organisation,one must abide by the rules of that organisation.Often these rules or laws are not the same as the laws of the land.If not the option is to cease being a member.All players and clubs sign up to this with these organisations.Did Essendon sign up to abide by the code?
Why do you think that cricket players are fined and sanctioned by their organisation?
Clubs like bikie gangs have their own code,but it is not visible from the outside.We read about extreme punishments being handed out to violators of their code.
 
MrBurns said:
There was compelling evidence against Armstrong for doping and illegal activates, not so with Essendon, it seems the AFL think guilty by rumour is ok.

No one would take or administer a drug without knowing what it is and to suggest otherwise is just plain rubbish.
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Yeah right!
 
chiff said:
Of course-If you want to play in the AFL or any visible club or organisation,one must abide by the rules of that organisation.Often these rules or laws are not the same as the laws of the land.If not the option is to cease being a member.All players and clubs sign up to this with these organisations.Did Essendon sign up to abide by the code?
Why do you think that cricket players are fined and sanctioned by their organisation?
Clubs like bikie gangs have their own code,but it is not visible from the outside.We read about extreme punishments being handed out to violators of their code.
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'Bringing the game into disrepute" is a law akin to saying, if you do something we don't like, we will punish you
 
By George Prawn.....I think that you have got it!On the road to understanding there are many pitfalls Grasshopper>
Not being an Essendon supporter I cannot take any of this seriously.
 
MrBurns said:
Might be your turn next time.
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It has been already -I am a Crows supporter.And for me this is a little slice of karma.
I heard one Victorian journalist refer to the Crows salary cap breach last night,The Crows have never exceeded their salary cap.They did a deal with Tippet to keep him for another year in return for a clearance to any club that he wished-draft tampering.
My thoughts were what kind of dildoes have we got administering the club.I think that Essendon supporters should have the same view.A little mea culpa please.Life goes on.
 
MrBurns said:
Might be your turn next time.
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So Essendon are out of the finals.

Good one AFL, punish the innocents, the players and the fans. Melbourne Storm all over again.

Radio saying Dr Reid will contest the charge, good on him.
 
Oh hello, here's a syringe, what's in it ?

I dunno.

Well let all line up and have some.

Doesn't really ring true to me.

The AFL have buggered the competition for this year and next, many supporters wont be happy until something changes, and perhaps removing Demetirou on $2M per annum......................would be a good start.
 
MrBurns said:
Oh hello, here's a syringe, what's in it ?

I dunno.

Well let all line up and have some.

Doesn't really ring true to me.
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Mr Burns there is no doubt that they did exactly that. The club has said that is what they did. Inject some players 100s of time and they cannot be sure what it was or who got what. They have admitted to that. I cannot see how you think they didn't. :confused:
 
Trembling Hand said:
Mr Burns there is no doubt that they did exactly that. The club has said that is what they did. Inject some players 100s of time and they cannot be sure what it was or who got what. They have admitted to that. I cannot see how you think they didn't. :confused:
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May be still in the denial and anger stages. Give him time and he may (reluctantly) come to accept that what Essendon did was actually wrong. :banghead:
 
Trembling Hand said:
Mr Burns there is no doubt that they did exactly that. The club has said that is what they did. Inject some players 100s of time and they cannot be sure what it was or who got what. They have admitted to that. I cannot see how you think they didn't. :confused:
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You've got to be kidding or am I dreaming, are you really suggesting that supplements were given without knowing what they were ?

What would be the point ?
They couldn't judge results for starters.

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nulla nulla said:
May be still in the denial and anger stages. Give him time and he may (reluctantly) come to accept that what Essendon did was actually wrong. :banghead:
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Just using logic, give it a go sometime:xyxthumbs
 
MrBurns said:
You've got to be kidding or am I dreaming, are you really suggesting that supplements were given without knowing what they were ?

What would be the point ?
They couldn't judge results for starters.

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Just using logic, give it a go sometime:xyxthumbs
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And you believe they know what they injected into their players but aren't willing to disclose it? It must be a perfectly legal substance then.
 
boofis said:
And you believe they know what they injected into their players but aren't willing to disclose it? It must be a perfectly legal substance then.
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Yes, either illegal or questionable. Probably questionable.

I can't imagine them not keeping some sort of records. If they did keep records, then they were shredded in a hurry soon after the scandal hit - that's disreputable. If they didn't keep records, they were taking huge risks with the players' health - that's disreputable. No way around it. Too bloody bad is all I can say. If it was my team I wouldn't be complaining about fines or sanctions.
 
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