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Gringotts Bank said:
This happens a lot, particularly around finals time, but the player will be fully informed about what could happen in a worst case scenario.
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I'm fairly certain when Adam Goodes was playing on one leg last year in the GF, no one informed him at half time what the long term risks were.

Footy is a dangerous game. I don't buy into this whole putting players 'at risk'. Essendon either did something illegal or not. As it stands - no player has been charged. It should be fairly black or white.
 
sammy84 said:
I'm fairly certain when Adam Goodes was playing on one leg last year in the GF, no one informed him at half time what the long term risks were.

Footy is a dangerous game. I don't buy into this whole putting players 'at risk'. Essendon either did something illegal or not. As it stands - no player has been charged. It should be fairly black or white.
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They're not being charged for illegal activity!!!!

They're being charged for bringing the game into disrepute!! They were doing all sorts of weird stuff. Have a read of the charges sheet on Google. It's all there. And no one can say the penalty is too harsh because that hasn't been decided yet.
 
Gringotts Bank said:
They're not being charged for illegal activity!!!!

They're being charged for bringing the game into disrepute!! They were doing all sorts of weird stuff. Have a read of the charges sheet on Google. It's all there.
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The essence of the charge is that Essendon put the player's safety at risk. My argument is that many actions taken everyday by many football clubs do the same.
 
sammy84 said:
The essence of the charge is that Essendon put the player's safety at risk. My argument is that many actions taken everyday by many football clubs do the same.
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I haven't read much of the details but I don't see where they've put players safety at risk, Hird isn't a doctor, he's not going to pull some voo doo out of a bag and force it down peoples throats, surely.
 
sammy84 said:
The essence of the charge is that Essendon put the player's safety at risk. My argument is that many actions taken everyday by many football clubs do the same.
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Like what?

Players are worth a lot of money as you know. A club won't risk putting them out of action by worsening an injury. It's like thoroughbred horses - they get pushed to their limit, but never beyond. The heath care staff are in constant communication with the coaches about when it's ok to resume play.
 
Gringotts Bank said:
Like what?
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My example with Goodes earlier. He might have done irreparable damage to his body which will affect him later in life.

West Coast when they hid their culture of illegal drug use.

When teams target a player's injury.

Could go on.

My point is - the game is dangerous. Either Essendon did something illegal or not. Currently they didn't, so everyone should move on. I know this won't happen though.
 
sammy84 said:
My example with Goodes earlier. He might have done irreparable damage to his body which will affect him later in life.

West Coast when they hid their culture of illegal drug use.

When teams target a player's injury.

Could go on.

My point is - the game is dangerous. Either Essendon did something illegal or not. Currently they didn't, so everyone should move on. I know this won't happen though.
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Not to mention countless players going out getting seriously drunk and into trouble with the police.
 
pixel said:
There is a vast difference between being intelligent where others are concerned, and knowing right from wrong where one's own personal integrity is on the line.
Someone with as huge an Ego as JH will continue to live in denial, telling himself and everybody within earshot "I'm beyond reproach. Everything I did was in the best interest of all concerned. Accusations are just a witch hunt by those who don't realise my being a genius."
Anybody with the moral backbone of a sea urchin would admit "Sorry, I stuffed up. I was blinded by the desire for success and lost the plot. My decisions were wrong, and I'll accept responsibility for my failing."

... but if one has money enough to keep a mob of QCs in business, ... :rolleyes:
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:xyxthumbs:xyxthumbs

Arrogance comes to mind.
 
This is killing me.

I've factored in lots of pain here, hoping for anything less than draft picks taken. The points loss and suspension of James are probably in the can.
 
kennas said:
This is killing me.

I've factored in lots of pain here, hoping for anything less than draft picks taken. The points loss and suspension of James are probably in the can.
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Me too:1zhelp:

Hopefully keep the draft picks, lose the points, drop out of finals, give us a fine and we lose Hirdy for a bit.

They are certainly playing hardball. In my opinion the AFL have more to lose than Essendon if they don't get this deal done tonight. I think footy people in general think the above is pretty reasonable under the circumstances.

Essendon won't accept draft pick losses as well as points and Hird for a season. They better not.

Duckman
 
Duckman#72 said:
Me too:1zhelp:

In my opinion the AFL have more to lose than Essendon if they don't get this deal done tonight. I think footy people in general think the above is pretty reasonable under the circumstances.

Essendon won't accept draft pick losses as well as points and Hird for a season. They better not.

Duckman
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If they take Essendon out of the finals they can stick their final series up their a*** and it wont be just Essendon supporters who feel that way.
 
kennas said:
This is killing me.

I've factored in lots of pain here, hoping for anything less than draft picks taken. The points loss and suspension of James are probably in the can.
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Just heard on ABC that talks will resume tomorrow. Essendon to lose points and miss finals but sticking point is Hird not accepting suspension.

Duckman
 
One of the major factors in all this is that Essendon have bargaining power. The AFL needs them and their 50,000 members and years of service as a foundation team and most premierships. Not much mitigation but a factor important to the AFL. Money v integrity. :confused:
 
MrBurns said:
I haven't read much of the details but I don't see where they've put players safety at risk, Hird isn't a doctor, he's not going to pull some voo doo out of a bag and force it down peoples throats, surely.
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Nah he left that to the quacks they were employing (and continued to employ after the team doctor wrote a letter saying it should be stopped).
 
sammy84 said:
Geelong and Gold Coast employed these same quacks.....
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They did. And this is one of the many charges that should and will be dropped from the ridiculously long charge sheet. By the way, the physio at GC asked for Dank to be sacked. Eventually he was, but it wasn't easy because he'd already got in with the powers that be.
 
Most significant sanctions in AFL history and no one guilty of doping.

James can attend games and will coach in next years finals.

I'll be there on Saturday, Richmond will be toast.

Get around them Bombers!!
 
The AFL dictatorship continues. Must be one of the few publicly visible businesses in Australia that has absolute power over its members etc
 
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