Essendon - Supporter Support

[sammy84]

I have sat on the fence for this, but if drugs were involved, I am not impressed.

What are you talking about with Melbourne, we were pulled over the coals and so were Carlton, which just now have started to come back.

Melbourne got a fine. Not much else.

Carlton knowingly engaged in cheating.

The punishment doesn't fit the crime. Either Essendon gave players illegal drugs or not. Currently, ASADA do not believe that Essendon did - so how can you possibly suspend a team from playing finals? And draft pick penalties? Such penalties should only be levied at a team who cheated - which as it currently stands Essendon didn't.

The AFL should either charge Essendon for doping or move on. This is all a saving face exercise.

 

[MrBurns]

Corporate governance issues? The administration of who knows what (Hird certainly doesn't seem to know) to players (who may or may not have long term health issues as a result). You have Reed write to the team management that the program shouldn't be continued and they keep it going.

The cult of St James continues.

I still missed the part where he broke any laws or administered drugs that were banned at the time, oh but that's ok lets rub the whole team out anyway

 

[Gringotts Bank]

Sammy/Burns, whether Essendon were administering banned drugs or not, the game was brought into disrepute. There was a chiropractor in South Yarra injecting players with medicines designed for Muscular Dystrophy patients, obtained in Mexico by a third party! Come on guys. Doctor Read should have said "Stop this crap or I'm leaving", but he didn't put his foot down. Hird should have taken his letter seriously. Neither of those things happened.

Had Hird gone to the AFL earlier and told them he'd stuffed up, he'd be coaching a team in the finals. The AFL would have been more lenient. Essendon got in with the wrong crowd. Chiropractors are very dodgy types; Dank and Robinson were just too tricky. Hird's ambition blinded him.

 

[MrBurns]

Sammy/Burns, whether Essendon were administering banned drugs or not, the game was brought into disrepute. There was a chiropractor in South Yarra injecting players with medicines designed for Muscular Dystrophy patients, obtained in Mexico by a third party! Come on guys. Doctor Read should have said "Stop this crap or I'm leaving", but he didn't put his foot down. Hird should have taken his letter seriously. Neither of those things happened.

Had Hird gone to the AFL earlier and told them he'd stuffed up, he'd be coaching a team in the finals. The AFL would have been more lenient. Essendon got in with the wrong crowd. Chiropractors are very dodgy types; Dank and Robinson were just too tricky. Hird's ambition blinded him.

The game was not brought into disrepute...............until Andrew Demetriou decided to make it so.

Drugs used on MS patients ? that means nothing without evidence that it was illegal or harmful.

As Essendons QC says the AFL have acted disgracefully, and if the finals continue without Essendon damage will be inflicted on the game that cant be repaired.

 

[chiff]

A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest"
A lot of selective listening going on around here-and creating ones own reality.Does anyone understand the difference between illegal behaviour and bringing the game into disrepute?
Being interested in publicly listed companies we all should be able to extrapolate the behaviour of the Essendon FC to the share market.Nothing ethical with Essendon.

 

[MrBurns]

A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest"
A lot of selective listening going on around here-and creating ones own reality.Does anyone understand the difference between illegal behaviour and bringing the game into disrepute?
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Yeah sure do, only one is illegal, if people were thrown out for someone's "interpretation" of bringing a game or company into disrepute then half the companies around would be finished.

The entire NSW Labor Govt acted illegally and was only dispatched when finally cornered, if anyone had have mentioned "disrepute" they would have been laughed out of town.

 

[chiff]

The sanctions will be brought out soon I believe.Maybe the remarks accompanying will help your understanding-but I doubt it!

 

[MrBurns]

The sanctions will be brought out soon I believe.Maybe the remarks accompanying will help your understanding-but I doubt it!

I think a lot of people wont agree with the remarks including Julian Burnside QC, who has a some understanding of these matters I think.
I don't need any help understanding injustice, I understand it full well.

 

[Gringotts Bank]

The game was not brought into disrepute...............until Andrew Demetriou decided to make it so.

Drugs used on MS patients ? that means nothing without evidence that it was illegal or harmful.

As Essendons QC says the AFL have acted disgracefully, and if the finals continue without Essendon damage will be inflicted on the game that cant be repaired.

I'm not a fan of Demetriou either, but the game needs to be kept squeaky clean. Essendon were getting too far into the grey zone and needed pulling back. Read's letter proves this.

 

[MrBurns]

I'm not a fan of Demetriou either, but the game needs to be kept squeaky clean. Essendon were getting too far into the grey zone and needed pulling back. Read's letter proves this.

A warning from the AFL would have done that instead of entrapment and victimisation...

 

[Gringotts Bank]

A warning from the AFL would have done that instead of entrapment and victimisation...

There's definitely a power struggle going on between Hird and Demetriou. Had Hird been a bit more flexible early in the piece, I think a warning may have been all that ensued. Now he's dragged the whole team down, unfortunately. Too much righteousness.

 

[Trembling Hand]

A warning from the AFL would have done that instead of entrapment and victimisation...

MrBurns, what would you think if your young son was injected 100s of times over the course of a year or two with products that their employer couldn't tell you what was in them and others that were not approved for human use?

 

[MrBurns]

MrBurns, what would you think if your young son was injected 100s of times over the course of a year or two with products that their employer couldn't tell you what was in them and others that were not approved for human use?

I don't believe Hird would be that irresponsible, that's dangerous, any fool can see that and Hird's no fool.

It cant possibly be as simple as that.

 

[jancha]

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There's definitely a power struggle going on between Hird and Demetriou. Had Hird been a bit more flexible early in the piece, I think a warning may have been all that ensued. Now he's dragged the whole team down, unfortunately. Too much righteousness.

 

[Duckman#72]

There's definitely a power struggle going on between Hird and Demetriou. Had Hird been a bit more flexible early in the piece, I think a warning may have been all that ensued. Now he's dragged the whole team down, unfortunately. Too much righteousness.

Then that is just plain bias.

Surely Hird and Essendon should be being penalised on the FACTS. Not some sort of "perceived justice". How has Hird's dogged determination to defend himself and the club ALTERED what happened with the supplements program?

You have just highlighted the case why Hird wants an independent panel to review the penalty. How much of Hird's ultimate penalty will be as a result of what happened in 2011/12 and how much as a result of the past 3 months shadowboxing with the AFL via the media?

Duckman

 

[sammy84]

MrBurns, what would you think if your young son was injected 100s of times over the course of a year or two with products that their employer couldn't tell you what was in them and others that were not approved for human use?

How would you feel if they let your son play with a rubber band in his knee, so he didn't have to under go a knee reco. We don't know the long term affect of LARS yet.

Or got a jab so he could keep playing, without knowing the full extent of his injury?

It's all a bit much.

 

[Trembling Hand]

How would you feel if they let your son play with a rubber band in his knee, so he didn't have to under go a knee reco. We don't know the long term affect of LARS yet.

Or got a jab so he could keep playing, without knowing the full extent of his injury?

It's all a bit much.

That is nonsense. Pain killers and lars are TESTED and approved with our current medical knowledge. They are also WITHIN the agreed rules. They are also documented within the club and administered by medical professional under what we call medicine.

 

[sammy84]

That is nonsense. Pain killers and lars are TESTED and approved with our current medical knowledge. They are also WITHIN the agreed rules. They are also documented within the club and administered by medical professional under what we call medicine.

Pain killers might be, but using them to mask pain to keep playing is surely putting players at risk.

 

[Gringotts Bank]

Pain killers might be, but using them to mask pain to keep playing is surely putting players at risk.

This happens a lot, particularly around finals time, but the player will be fully informed about what could happen in a worst case scenario. If a tissue is structurally sound but inflamed, it's normally ok to does up on painkillers and steroid anti-inflammatories. Then you strap it up so it can't move and hope for the best. If a joint is not structurally sound, then no matter what you inject, it's not going to work ...plus there's risk of further damage. Coaches and players would understand that.

 

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I don't believe Hird would be that irresponsible, that's dangerous, any fool can see that and Hird's no fool.

It cant possibly be as simple as that.

There is a vast difference between being intelligent where others are concerned, and knowing right from wrong where one's own personal integrity is on the line.
Someone with as huge an Ego as JH will continue to live in denial, telling himself and everybody within earshot "I'm beyond reproach. Everything I did was in the best interest of all concerned. Accusations are just a witch hunt by those who don't realise my being a genius."
Anybody with the moral backbone of a sea urchin would admit "Sorry, I stuffed up. I was blinded by the desire for success and lost the plot. My decisions were wrong, and I'll accept responsibility for my failing."

... but if one has money enough to keep a mob of QCs in business, ...