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I had some sympathy towards Essendon on this whole thing in the beginning but it is gradually being whittled away with more information coming out, the resignations, Hird's attitude etc. I do think they have a point about getting on with it though - whole thing should have been resolved months ago. Sanctions if any will need to apply to next year now, it's no good taking premiership points off them after the season is over.
 
Miss Hale said:
I had some sympathy towards Essendon on this whole thing in the beginning but it is gradually being whittled away with more information coming out, the resignations, Hird's attitude etc. I do think they have a point about getting on with it though - whole thing should have been resolved months ago. Sanctions if any will need to apply to next year now, it's no good taking premiership points off them after the season is over.
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Never fear: Demetriou is in America to find facts.
He could've saved himself the trouble by conducting a thorough search here - months ago! "D'Oh!"
 
The leaking of information from all parties regarding this has been diabolical.

Caro criticising Hird of leaking confidential information surely puts her into contention for the greatest hypocrite of 2013 award. No, 21st century. Her entire argument is based on leaked information. Does she realise the irony? I doubt it, so blinded she is in trying to sell papers in her quest to destroy Hird and Co. People are losing their jobs and resigning because of the media speculation and the pressure it's putting on their lives and families. Not because of any proved wrong-doing. It's the media throng, creating the pressure, whose hands are now bloodied with the untimely and probably unwarranted demise of some very good people. All this because of the 'blackest day in Australian sport' which is yet to file a charge, and aired prematurely by the Gillard experiment.

All this because an individual at ASADA seems to have provided poor, or at least ambiguous, advice.
 
I didn't get much out of last night's interview. I think Hird hired the wrong guy and should take responsibility for that. Robinson, in his desire to live up to the hype surrounding him, must have felt a lot of pressure to deliver. Maybe a few boundaries were crossed in the process.

Hird needs to understand what sort of power he wields, particularly around vulnerable and weak-willed individuals such as Robinson. I hold Hird responsible entirely for this mess.
 
Gringotts Bank said:
I didn't get much out of last night's interview. I think Hird hired the wrong guy and should take responsibility for that. Robinson, in his desire to live up to the hype surrounding him, must have felt a lot of pressure to deliver. Maybe a few boundaries were crossed in the process.

Hird needs to understand what sort of power he wields, particularly around vulnerable and weak-willed individuals such as Robinson. I hold Hird responsible entirely for this mess.
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Golden boy Hird is starting to look like a pill popper with a paranoid streak. I think what you say is correct GB.
 
pixel said:
For "Whatever it Takes" :D
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I think that was in regard to Demetripoo.

It's still speculation in regard to anything Hird took in order to get a tanned face. He's allowed to have a tanned face under WADA rules I think.

None of the peptides other than AOD have been realistically implicated in a systematic doping program.

ASADA seemed to have told Essendon AOD was OK.

The media have built this into something it is probably not, just to get a story.

The interview last night by the ex-AFL player / media stooge Luke Darcy was just lame. Lame. His handling of the 'black ops' comment was laughable. 'Will you say that again?' and then proceeds to put the words back into the Weapon's mouth, wrongly attributing them to Hird. What a joke. 'Objection, Your Honour, the interviewer is a ex Footscray player.'

The Weapon is a disgruntled ex-employee who has zero credibility. Especially when one of your key points is factually incorrect as supported by the cops. What a goose.
 
Here is Caro and Fairfax being objective and professional:

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/pies-the-source-20130801-2r2aw.html

The entire story is reliant on leaks.

Yet, JH is the one causing all the problems for the AFL 'leaking' information, according to Caro.

Fairfax is bringing the game into disrepute.

The hypocrisy is mind blowing.

She doesn't have a story without a lead, or a deal, or a pay off. You are a HACK!
 
Is it James Hird............or Lance Hird its well and truly gone beyond the point of fascicle a AFL club that doesn't know their players are getting pumped full of juice and hiding behind misinformation.
 
I'm not that interested, but it does need to be brought to an end.
Everyone is getting a bit fed up with it, somewhat like the election.
It can be dragged out and it can be mitigated to some extent. But eventually you have to face the music.
 
I agree the interview with The Weapon/Dean Robinson was pretty lame. The whole thing about the Black Ops was pathetic. All we had was Dank saying that he thought what Hird et al were asking him to do was a Black Op. Firstly a Black Op isn't necessarily something illegal and, secondly, we didn't hear how Hird responded. He may have said, "No, not a Black Op". The obvious next question Luke Darcy should have asked was, "What did Hird say?" But instead he says, "Say it again" and, "Who was in the room at that time?" Hint Luke, we are not as dumb as you think we are (or as dumb as you are), we can see that this was a big beat up. I also thought all the weepy stuff with his wife and the shots at the beach were pathetic. Anyone who cries on TV loses credibility with me. The panel afterwards was a joke!

Having said this, I do think Robinson has reason to feel aggrieved as I believe he has been made a scapegoat.

Like everyone else, totally sick of the whole thing and want to see it sorted out. Unfortunately I think it will drag on for years. If the players are sanctioned I'm sure they will sue the club. And with the retinue of lawyers Hird has assembled I can't see him taking any punishment that might be meted out to him lying down.
 
Miss Hale said:
I agree the interview with The Weapon/Dean Robinson was pretty lame. The whole thing about the Black Ops was pathetic. All we had was Dank saying that he thought what Hird et al were asking him to do was a Black Op. Firstly a Black Op isn't necessarily something illegal and, secondly, we didn't hear how Hird responded. He may have said, "No, not a Black Op". The obvious next question Luke Darcy should have asked was, "What did Hird say?" But instead he says, "Say it again" and, "Who was in the room at that time?" Hint Luke, we are not as dumb as you think we are (or as dumb as you are), we can see that this was a big beat up. I also thought all the weepy stuff with his wife and the shots at the beach were pathetic. Anyone who cries on TV loses credibility with me. The panel afterwards was a joke!

Having said this, I do think Robinson has reason to feel aggrieved as I believe he has been made a scapegoat.

Like everyone else, totally sick of the whole thing and want to see it sorted out. Unfortunately I think it will drag on for years. If the players are sanctioned I'm sure they will sue the club. And with the retinue of lawyers Hird has assembled I can't see him taking any punishment that might be meted out to him lying down.
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I am just waiting for the whole thing to be over. It has reached farcical proportions.
It is possible for the AFL to charge Caro and Patrick Smith with "Bringing the Game into Disrepute"..or what abo0ut Kate Lundy with her "Blackest Day in Australian Sport" comment?

Now we get the ridiculous situation where the AFL sits in judgement on Hird and the Bombers and will potentially impose penalties, before any actual findings are released by ASADA! That process has "legal action" written all over it. Of course Essendon will challenge penaltiesin that case.

If ASADA cannot comprehensively find that clear breaches of substance abuse took place (not breaches of procedures or protocol) after 6months of investigations/interviews and forensic searches then surely it is time to move on.

The only thing more shambolic than Essendon's supplement program, appears to be the ASADA, the media and the AFL's investigation and response to it. If ASADA don't impose penalties on any players, there will be a lot of unhappy journalists, ciommentators and football supporters. You know the ones?....those people who automatically became experts in performance enhancing drugs and called for everything but the death penalty at Windy Hill.

Hurry up Andrew and make your move......but a word of warning. It is very dangerous to lecture other people people on how they smell, when you are standing in the same stuff.

Duckman
 
Agree with Dean Robinson's lawyer that it's a joke for Hird and Essendon to try and claim the high moral ground when they threw him under the bus.
 
Interesting interviews with Hird lately. Here is a guy with a very strong mind and you can see it reflected in everything that surrounds him... the good, the bad and the tragic. Those close to him get drawn into his world as if they had no mind of their own. There's a little bit of a Cassandra thing happening here, and a testing of wills. Part of him is enjoying the power struggle with the Demetriou and the AFL, because he knows he is more powerful than them. Demetriou has never had a powerful opponent in his life. I'm becoming quite intrigued by the man.

This is aside from the fact that he has stuffed up the club. He employed the wrong people and he didn't properly manage or oversee the process, so it's all his fault. But Hird the man is intriguing.
 
I will hazard a guess-that Hird is acting on legal advice and hence his stance.I heard someone say that his wife is a lawyer as well so he knew where to go for preliminary advice at least.
 
chiff said:
I will hazard a guess-that Hird is acting on legal advice and hence his stance.I heard someone say that his wife is a lawyer as well so he knew where to go for preliminary advice at least.
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I don't think Hird is stupid enough to rely on legal advice from his wife. Their not very convincing argument seems to be that AOD was neither performance enhancing nor harmful to the players.
 
I did say preliminary advice.She could point him in the right direction to get more experienced advice.No doubt from someone more experienced in like matters.
 
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