NBN Rollout Scrapped

[NBNMyths]

So it was a pretty balanced post. Magic

That would then indicate, we are on the same page as a lot of the rest.

When you cut through all the emotional crap.

For major links we are.

But for FTTP penetration and average broadband speeds, we are close to the bottom of the OECD.

 

[drsmith]

A segment from tonight's 730 program on the NBN rollout,

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2013/s3799533.htm

http://www.afr.com/p/technology/service_stream_flags_material_loss_DwNvsoHQwphAOULrNvBANK

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

I am a mate of one of the contractors who tore the cables out.

He reckons it is one of the most dodgy jobs he has ever worked on.

And he has worked in PNG and Indonesia.

He reckons at least there you could grease a palm to get the job done.

Here they all go back to online pdf manuals on ipads, takes them a whole bloody day to find the page, he says.

Poor governance, late payments, lack of direction, no scoping, no plan, complete FUBAR all are characteristics of the NBN.

gg

 

[drsmith]

I am a mate of one of the contractors who tore the cables out.

If true, it's extraordinary. With the ABC's example, I'm a little sceptical and I wonder whether a little journalistic imagination has been used in his own description. The ABC's example was also in Adelaide, so are you referring to a different example ?

The video footage showed a white pipe (possibly PVC) being ripped up with nothing in it. Pulling out if a contractor is not getting paid enough, but what are the relative gains/losses for the contractor of ripping up his own NBN work. It didn't sound like he's thrown in the towel altogether in relation to his business as a whole.

That being said, the overall segment does not paint a rosy picture of how the rollout is progressing.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

If true, it's extraordinary. With the ABC's example, I'm a little sceptical and I wonder whether a little journalistic imagination has been used in his own description. The ABC's example was also in Adelaide, so are you referring to a different example ?

The video footage showed a white pipe (possibly PVC) being ripped up with nothing in it. Pulling out if a contractor is not getting paid enough, but what are the relative gains/losses for the contractor of ripping up his own NBN work. It didn't sound like he's thrown in the towel altogether in relation to his business as a whole.

That being said, the overall segment does not paint a rosy picture of how the rollout is progressing.

lol

It cost him $145.

And he reckons it is the best he has ever spent.

The NBN meanwhile waste Billions. And they are from the top down, muppets, and anxious muppets at that unable to make decisions.

gg

 

[sptrawler]

Just heard on the news Quigley has pulled the pin. There must be something going on.

 

[NBNMyths]

Just heard on the news Quigley has pulled the pin. There must be something going on.

H says he's just going back into retirement. He must be over 60 by now. They got him out of it for the job in the first place, and he's been there for 4 years of pretty severe pressure, including a period of disgusting, deplorable personal attacks from Turnbull, Birmingham and Robb.

There have been rumours that he doesn't see eye to eye with the new chairman (person?), but he's staying on until his replacement is appointed, so it couldn't be too bad.

Anyway, good luck to him. I wouldn't have lasted that long.

 

[IFocus]

H says he's just going back into retirement. He must be over 60 by now. They got him out of it for the job in the first place, and he's been there for 4 years of pretty severe pressure, including a period of disgusting, deplorable personal attacks from Turnbull, Birmingham and Robb.

There have been rumours that he doesn't see eye to eye with the new chairman (person?), but he's staying on until his replacement is appointed, so it couldn't be too bad.

Anyway, good luck to him. I wouldn't have lasted that long.

Listened to a communications analysis today on the ABC (German guy) he said Quigley was highly regarded world wide for what he has done for the NBN he went on to say the poison politics played by the Coalition about the project is viewed outside of Australia as a mystery.
And now the arrogance from the Coalition calling for the delay of the appointment of the new CEO.

 

[sptrawler]

H says he's just going back into retirement. He must be over 60 by now. They got him out of it for the job in the first place, and he's been there for 4 years of pretty severe pressure, including a period of disgusting, deplorable personal attacks from Turnbull, Birmingham and Robb.

There have been rumours that he doesn't see eye to eye with the new chairman (person?), but he's staying on until his replacement is appointed, so it couldn't be too bad.

Anyway, good luck to him. I wouldn't have lasted that long.

Fair enough, your right he took on an unenviable task.

 

[drsmith]

There have been rumours that he doesn't see eye to eye with the new chairman (person?), but he's staying on until his replacement is appointed, so it couldn't be too bad.

I can recall seeing recent articles to that extent.

http://www.afr.com/p/national/change_at_the_top_touted_for_nbn_hVRNZ5DnwnImEEiIS2CG8M
http://www.afr.com/p/national/albanese_backs_nbn_co_chief_quigley_7X6GNHsqnlfQLCr5j1ZklJ

 

[So_Cynical]

Internode founder and now major share holder of iinet Simon Hacket has delivered a very interesting presentation to the CommsDay Wholesale and Data Centre Summit in Sydney about the NBN called “The Ideal Wholesale NBN Market”..

FIbre on a Copper Budget is a presentation that makes a lot of sense, Hacket has to be one of the most respected Internet business personality's in the country, Internode was known as the Champagne provider often rated above Telstra for service and connection quality.
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http://simonhackett.com/2013/07/17/nbn-fibre-on-a-copper-budget/#more-999

Why oh why he hasn't simply upped this to youtube ill never know...cant embed this so just click the link and press go on the video, well worth it even for the Nolalition supporters, Simon is not a great fan of the NBN as it is currently planned.

 

[moXJO]

Internode founder and now major share holder of iinet Simon Hacket has delivered a very interesting presentation to the CommsDay Wholesale and Data Centre Summit in Sydney about the NBN called “The Ideal Wholesale NBN Market”..

FIbre on a Copper Budget is a presentation that makes a lot of sense, Hacket has to be one of the most respected Internet business personality's in the country, Internode was known as the Champagne provider often rated above Telstra for service and connection quality.
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http://simonhackett.com/2013/07/17/nbn-fibre-on-a-copper-budget/#more-999

Why oh why he hasn't simply upped this to youtube ill never know...cant embed this so just click the link and press go on the video, well worth it even for the Nolalition supporters, Simon is not a great fan of the NBN as it is currently planned.

That's a good find and very interesting.
Any NBN progress seems to have stopped where I am for the past 6 months.

 

[So_Cynical]

That's a good find and very interesting.
Any NBN progress seems to have stopped where I am for the past 6 months.

What he said about all the boxes and equipment that NBN Co installs, makes a lot of sense to me to leave all that out and simply run the fibre cable to a wall socket and leave it at that...like he says the service providers can be left to supply a router or what ever, its all easy plug and play now anyway.

Installing a battery and all that other stuff so little old ladies can have a PSTN land line is crazy, VOIP is the new normal.

 

[Smurf1976]

The video footage showed a white pipe (possibly PVC) being ripped up with nothing in it. Pulling out if a contractor is not getting paid enough, but what are the relative gains/losses for the contractor of ripping up his own NBN work. It didn't sound like he's thrown in the towel altogether in relation to his business as a whole.

That being said, the overall segment does not paint a rosy picture of how the rollout is progressing.

Contractors in Tasmania are threatening to walk off the job due to non-payment.

http://www.themercury.com.au/article/2013/07/19/383770_todays-news.html

 

[sptrawler]

NBNMyths should bring us up to speed with what is happening.

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What he said about all the boxes and equipment that NBN Co installs, makes a lot of sense to me to leave all that out and simply run the fibre cable to a wall socket and leave it at that...like he says the service providers can be left to supply a router or what ever, its all easy plug and play now anyway.

Installing a battery and all that other stuff so little old ladies can have a PSTN land line is crazy, VOIP is the new normal.

From what I have read, iinet have always thought fibre to the premise, especialy in multi storey residential, is crazy.

Sounds like you are warming to fibre to the node SC, then just fibre or copper to the house. wow, must have been a flash of blinding light for you.

 

[So_Cynical]

NBNMyths should bring us up to speed with what is happening.

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From what I have read, iinet have always thought fibre to the premise, especialy in multi storey residential, is crazy.

Sounds like you are warming to fibre to the node SC, then just fibre or copper to the house. wow, must have been a flash of blinding light for you.

I encourage you you watch the video .. Hackett makes a lot of sense taking about taking the fibre to the home and leaving it at that, the ISP or home owner provides the rest of the equipment, in most cases a single, 4 port wireless modem/router with Voip...the fibre cable plugs straight into it.

Fibre to the node is half arsed and the current NBN battery and multi box set-up over kill...keep the wall outlet and get rid of everything else.
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[sydboy007]

I encourage you you watch the video .. Hackett makes a lot of sense taking about taking the fibre to the home and leaving it at that, the ISP or home owner provides the rest of the equipment, in most cases a single, 4 port wireless modem/router with Voip...the fibre cable plugs straight into it.

Fibre to the node is half arsed and the current NBN battery and multi box set-up over kill...keep the wall outlet and get rid of everything else.
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I like SH, but he does have his own agenda.

Part of me thinks the 4 data ports are over kill, but then there has always been the idea that some form of medical home monitoring could occur over an used port.

I'd also say for a share household the ability to cheaply and easily have separate internet services could be handy, but whether worthwhile to give to everyone??

I can see the extra ports being useful for business though. I support a lot of customers who have a link for their internal data network and another for the internet. It's quite expensive leasing multiple services. NBN allows this to occur pretty cheaply.

Here's some interesting snippets from a recent delimeter article

While few households need 1Gbps today (the average internet connection speed in Australia is currently 4.2 Mbps) the historical demand for broadband network bandwidth has grown at about 30% – 40% per annum.

Using historical growth figures, and allowing for future generations of ultra-high definition television, multi-view services, together with multiple TV displays in a single household, in-home video conferencing and so on, it’s likely that domestic broadband domestic customers will be seeking bandwidths of more than 100 Mbps by 2020 and about 1 Gbps by 2035.

The cost of this to the individual could be in the region of A$1,000-A$5,000, depending on the distance of the node from the premises. Future upgrades of Labor’s FTTP to 10 Gbps and beyond will require simple exchange of the user terminal in the home, at a cost typically in the region of A$100-A$200.

The Coalition’s “fibre-on-demand” strategy raises the spectre of a digital divide between households, businesses and regions that can afford to pay for the upgrade and those that cannot.

To illustrate this, a graphic design business that uploads and downloads data to its customers, and happens to be located close to a node, will be in a much better business position that a competitor 500 metres down the road. This will arguably impede the economic benefits of the network as a whole, limiting the application of health, education and productivity-boosting applications.

But the increased electrical power consumption of the Coalition’s FTTN network will have a greenhouse impact approaching that of a city the size of Launceston in Tasmania.

 

[Smurf1976]

While few households need 1Gbps today (the average internet connection speed in Australia is currently 4.2 Mbps) the historical demand for broadband network bandwidth has grown at about 30% – 40% per annum.

At some point that will end however. The only real question is when and at what level?

 

[sydboy007]

At some point that will end however. The only real question is when and at what level?

TBH, I don't see the growth ever ending.

Once we get IP6 out there, then the internet of all things begins. Everything starts to have its own IP address, just about everything communicates data. 4K TV gets surpassed by 8K TV, which might then get replaced by holography.

Business wil further improve JIT manufacturing, and in 10-15 years we should have 3D print manufacturing of an increasing amount of products - no idea how big the files are, but assuming the more complex an item the exponentially bigger the file.

I used the top of the line Cico telepresence kit, and it literally is like having people in a different country in the same room as you. It's pretty high bandwidth. In an energy constrained future I can see this kind of set up allowing less travel, even allow people to work from home and feel like they are in the meeting with everyone else.

I would like some other tech writers out there to look at how long the 50Mbs minimum will actually server us, because I think the 2020 time frame is about right. The FTTN network is also going to have a slight impact on property values, especially for business premises. If you can advertise a property can get 80Mbs, and a property further away can only get 55 Mbs then I would think you could get slightly higher rent, or face less risk of not having a tenant.

 

[sails]

NBN costs set to soar past $60bn

CONSTRUCTION contractors on the National Broadband Network are pushing to be paid up to 40 per cent more to do further work, fuelling fears of a cost blowout on Labor's flagship infrastructure project.

The Australian has been told that industry suppliers are looking for increases in the value of contracts of between 20 per cent and 40 per cent for further work and that high-level evaluations are circulating suggesting that the ultimate cost of the project could spiral out to between $60 billion and $70bn.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...o-soar-past-60bn/story-e6frgaif-1226684023561