NBN Rollout Scrapped

[drsmith]

What is the process for this to occur with the Liberal FTTN? So far i can't see any details for how the copper replacement will work in practice. I think you'll agree with my cynicism that what the donkey says and what the donkey does in politics is quite often very different. Black and white policy document would be a nice clarification to this issue.

Are nodes installed, then copper tested and either replaced with another pair or fiber?

How long does the testing process take? It will cause an outage for every service tested. Will there be a special process for someone with a medical priority line? Hate to think what could happen if someone's phone is off the air for 30 minutes and they needed to call an ambulance. What happens if they take a large number of services off line to do the testing in bulk so as to make the overall process faster??

What happens if the majority of copper for a node needs to be replaced? Would it have been more sensible to have then done GPON from the exchange rather than running an active node that only deals with fiber?

Since no tender for nodes has gone out, we don't even know how many fiber connections a node could support. I can see the situation occurring where a lot of copper is replaced, and some poor sod who'd like fiber style speeds can't get it because there's no free ports at the node.

Have you put these questions to the Coalition ?

 

[sydboy007]

Have you put these questions to the Coalition ?

Considering I've yet to get a response to an email I sent with questions about the Liberal policy just after it was launched, it seems to me they are unable / unwilling to answer the hard questions about their policy.

 

[drsmith]

Considering I've yet to get a response to an email I sent with questions about the Liberal policy just after it was launched, it seems to me they are unable / unwilling to answer the hard questions about their policy.

Questions that delve into the detail like the above I would present formally by letter.

 

[sydboy007]

Questions that delve into the detail like the above I would present formally by letter.

UM, I seem to remember our putative Leader-in-waiting told me that Malcolm practically invented the interweb in Australia.

If he's going to have a nice green Contact Malcolm icon on his web page, then by rights he should take an email listing various technical questions about his policy as seriously as a letter in the post.

If you're right, and a letter would be more likely to get a response for a Coalition member, well that in itself speaks volumes about just how far behind they are.

Personally, I don't think there's much detail behind the glossy broad strokes of the aspirational parts of their document - I can't really bring myself to call it a policy as so far they have no details on exactly how those aspirations will be achieved ie the actual policy process.

 

[drsmith]

UM, I seem to remember our putative Leader-in-waiting told me that Malcolm practically invented the interweb in Australia.

If he's going to have a nice green Contact Malcolm icon on his web page, then by rights he should take an email listing various technical questions about his policy as seriously as a letter in the post.

If you're right, and a letter would be more likely to get a response for a Coalition member, well that in itself speaks volumes about just how far behind they are.

Personally, I don't think there's much detail behind the glossy broad strokes of the aspirational parts of their document - I can't really bring myself to call it a policy as so far they have no details on exactly how those aspirations will be achieved ie the actual policy process.

Formality is the means by which you get past most organisation's crap filter.

Beyond that, it's just a question as to how seriously you actually want substantial answers to the points you raise.

 

[DB008]

UM, I seem to remember our putative Leader-in-waiting told me that Malcolm practically invented the interweb in Australia.

Well, idiotic statement like this don't help the Libs....

Tony Abbott: Malcolm Turnbull Invented The Internet In Australia

“We have a strong and credible broadband policy because the man who has devised it, the man who will implement it virtually invented the Internet in this country. Thank you so much, Malcolm Turnbull.”

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2013/06/tony-abbott-malcolm-turnbull-invented-the-internet-in-australia/

 

[Smurf1976]

If you're right, and a letter would be more likely to get a response for a Coalition member, well that in itself speaks volumes about just how far behind they are.

I've dealt with many politicians (Labor, Liberal, Green) and large organisations over the years. In short, write a letter and post it - that means paper, not email, if you want to get taken seriously.

The underlying reason is fairly simple, in that actually posting a paper letter requires some effort. It's one of the oldest management tricks - just dismiss as irrelevant anything that hasn't had some effort put into it, regardless of the content, and see if they come back again with some more effort. Most won't but if they do then take them seriously.

 

[NBNMyths]

NBN Co's selective sign up incentives,

NBN Co has paid out just over $110,000 in credits to Australia’s second biggest ISP iiNet to encourage it to sign new customers onto the National Broadband Network.

iiNet has signed on around 5500 new NBN fibre customers since January when NBN Co launched its migration incentive ”” a $108 payment to ISPs, valid to June 30 this year, to encourage them to move customers off their own infrastructure and onto the NBN.

NBN Co recommended the payment be passed on to consumers. iiNet offered its customers a $100 credit and free BoB Lite modem.

Of the 5500 new sign-ups made by iiNet since January, only 1020 customers were eligible for the incentive.

The payment is applicable to customers in pre-determined fibre-serving areas (FSAs) and wireless-service areas (WSAs), as well as other areas nominated by NBN Co.

Eligible FSAs include Coffs Harbour, Crace, South Morang, Mernda, Toowoomba, Townsville and Gulliver.

Applicable WSAs include Ballarat, Huonville-Ranelagh, Tamworth and Toowoomba.


http://www.itnews.com.au/News/348101,nbn-co-paid-iinet-110k-for-new-customers.aspx

On another issue (past discussed in this thread),

The incentive scheme was selective because it was a trial. I believe they wanted to test the takeup in areas with the incentive and without, so they could determine whether it increased the rate of takeup and was therefore money well spent.

As each customer earns NBN co between $24 and $37/month, if the incentive leads them to connect >3-4 months earlier than they otherwise would, then it makes it a worthwhile project. Otherwise it doesn't. I guess we'll know if they decide to keep it going or not.

FYI, iiNet's 5,500 new customers earn NBN Co between $132,000 and ~$210,000 per month, depending on the speed mix and ISP volume usage.

 

[sydboy007]

Well, idiotic statement like this don't help the Libs....

Tony Abbott: Malcolm Turnbull Invented The Internet In Australia



http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2013/06/tony-abbott-malcolm-turnbull-invented-the-internet-in-australia/

Considering Ozemail was, ah, only the 33 Rd large internet company in Australia, I suppose that's close enough to 1st place.

Malcolm made a very canny investment that made him plenty of $$$, but as far as I can tell, he didn't actually do that much with the running of the business, and he had sold his stake by 1999, so to think he has much of an idea of broadband when his entire experience was during the good old dial up days is really stretching things.

 

[Calliope]

Rudd's decisions are always firmly based. What a ratbag!

And so is the utter disregard for the facts, justifying the National Broadband Network on the basis that "a bunch of Chinese students in Brissy said to me 'what is it about your local broadband speeds Kevin?' ", despite Brisbane's broadband speeds being multiples of those in China.

(Henry Ergas)

I always thought that there could not be a worse Communications minister than Conroy, but Rudd has picked one...Albo. Conroy at least has brains enough to recognize Rudd as certifiable.

 

[NBNMyths]

Rudd's decisions are always firmly based. What a ratbag!

(Henry Ergas)

I always thought that there could not be a worse Communications minister than Conroy, but Rudd has picked one...Albo. Conroy at least has brains enough to recognize Rudd as certifiable.

Hmmm. Henry Ergas, well there's an objective commentator, with no ties to the Liberal party.

And obviously with a thorough knowledge of the topic as well. Game over then.


http://www.smartcompany.com.au/info...na-to-have-ftth-connections-from-april-4.html

17 January, 2013
The Chinese government has mandated that all new homes in China must have fibre to the home (FTTH) connections from April this year.

http://www.zdnet.com/chinas-ftth-an-inconvenient-nbn-truth-for-libs-7000008728/
12 December 2012

The Coalition has been berating journalists for not looking at overseas plans for nationwide broadband networks ”” but now that the world’s most populous country has committed to FttH, what are we now to believe?
...
By the time China's project is finished, nearly one in seven people on earth will be using FttH. This is hardly a minority opinion, and it's truly an inconvenient truth for those arguing that FttH is unviable as a universal last-mile strategy.

 

[Calliope]

Hmmm. Henry Ergas, well there's an objective commentator, with no ties to the Liberal party

Hmmm. NBNMYths, well there's an objective commentator, with no ties to the Labor Party.

 

[NBNMyths]

Hmmm. NBNMYths, well there's an objective commentator, with no ties to the Labor Party.

While I don't claim to be objective (clearly I support the FTTP NBN), at least I base my opinion on cited factual information. Correct though that I don't have any ties to the Labor party.

I notice you didn't comment on Mr Ergas's erroneous Chinese broadband claims. Just another example of conservative op-eds using demonstrably false or misleading information on which to base an entire article. Like a house of cards, once you take that piece of info away the article falls over.

It's standard practice for Ergas, Bolt, Akerman, McCrann et al. The problem with this is that once their band of flying monkeys are let loose with the false information, they hold on to it in spite of the undeniable facts placed in front of them. Witness Bolt's article from last year about Obama's supposed decision to go with a wireless NBN. To this day, people quote Bolt's article as evidence. It matters not that it was a load of rubbish.

Nobody is saying they aren't entitled to oppose the NBN. That's their opinion. However, they aren't entitled to make up their own facts to support that opinion.

 

[sptrawler]

Hmmm. Henry Ergas, well there's an objective commentator, with no ties to the Liberal party.

And obviously with a thorough knowledge of the topic as well. Game over then.


http://www.smartcompany.com.au/info...na-to-have-ftth-connections-from-april-4.html



http://www.zdnet.com/chinas-ftth-an-inconvenient-nbn-truth-for-libs-7000008728/
12 December 2012

Correct me if I'm wrong Myths, but aren't all new homes in Australia, being made fibre ready?

Hasn't our beef been about retrofitting?

 

[Calliope]

Nobody is saying they aren't entitled to oppose the NBN. That's their opinion. However, they aren't entitled to make up their own facts to support that opinion.

There you go again Myths. You can't make up facts. You can make up myths which is your game, but you can't make up facts.

And if you are looking to Anthony Albanese for inspiration, I'm afraid you are going to be sorely disappointed. The mans an idiot.:headshake

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2013/s3793630.htm#

 

[drsmith]

Nobody is saying they aren't entitled to oppose the NBN. That's their opinion. However, they aren't entitled to make up their own facts to support that opinion.

In a broader context, that comment reminded me of this post of yours in this thread from June 22.

https://www.aussiestockforums.com/f...21778&page=123&p=779794&viewfull=1#post779794

 

[NBNMyths]

There you go again Myths. You can't make up facts. You can make up myths which is your game, but you can't make up facts.

True, you can't make up facts. You can however make up stuff and claim it is factual. Which is exactly my point, re Ergas's claims about Chinese broadband and Bolt's claims about the US wireless NBN, to cite just two examples.

 

[NBNMyths]

Correct me if I'm wrong Myths, but aren't all new homes in Australia, being made fibre ready?

Hasn't our beef been about retrofitting?

Yes, and yes. However, Ergas's point was about broadband in general, not just new homes.

Also, China are retrofitting FTTP as well as mandating it for new homes. They have announced plans to spend US$254bn by 2015. e.g.: http://viewswire.eiu.com/index.asp?layout=ib3Article&article_id=1618888746&fs=true

 

[Trembling Hand]

They have announced plans to spend US$254bn by 2015. e.g.: http://viewswire.eiu.com/index.asp?layout=ib3Article&article_id=1618888746&fs=true

So thats $195 per person.

We are spending $1266 per person. Gee

 

[sydboy007]

So thats $195 per person.

We are spending $1266 per person. Gee

If you don't mind earning the typical wage in China I'm sure we can reduce the rollout costs in Australia.

I'd also argue that a roll-out is cheaper in China simply due to the high density of the population.