Tony Abbott for PM

[sails]

Yes, he does a lot. I'm a sceptic with anything politics Julia. Not sure if he hasn't made his exploits known to the media though.

Or perhaps he is generally a decent person? I don't know him but find the attacks on him to be highly political and often without substance.

And surely being deceptive is not a prerequisite to being a politician? Although the bar does seem to have been set extraordinarily low in the last couple of years.

 

[MrBurns]

Yes, he does a lot. I'm a sceptic with anything politics Julia. Not sure if he hasn't made his exploits known to the media though.

Abbott is a genuine person unlike Gillard who was grinning half the time while walking among the debris in Tas, dressed up , full make up , looking for the cameras.

 

[explod]

Abbott is a genuine person unlike Gillard who was grinning half the time while walking among the debris in Tas, dressed up , full make up , looking for the cameras.

Did or do you know them both in person.

There is so much rubbish being put up. Talk about a sinking ship and clutching straws.

We had a big L running Victoria a few years back and he looked so nice that his wife had to get away from him for a few months. You do not really know what hides behind any facade.

On performance there is no doubt Gillard is winning by a mile.

 

[chiff]

Anyone know what volunteer fire service Tony Abott is attached to?I think in NSW the service is called the RFS.
I thought a politician would find it hard to attend the weekly training sessions or meetings,but who knows?

 

[MrBurns]

Did or do you know them both in person.

As a matter of fact .........I know someoe who knows some one who did and who says all that was about about her in the S&G affair and more is true, they lament that she got so far and that she is totally unfit to be PM.

 

[explod]

As a matter of fact .........I know someoe who knows some one who did and who says all that was about about her in the S&G affair and more is true, they lament that she got so far and that she is totally unfit to be PM.

Heresay is not evidence, but speculative rumour when that far removed.

With such rubbish it is not hard to see why there is a drift away from the Libs.

Abbott will never be Prime Minister, surely its time to close down this thread of fantasy.:

 

[MrBurns]

Heresay is not evidence, but speculative rumour when that far removed.

With such rubbish it is not hard to see why there is a drift away from the Libs.

Abbott will never be Prime Minister, surely its time to close down this baseless thread.

Speculative rumour about the source of my post doesnt change the facts.

I can assure you the source is impeccable otherwise I wouldn't have posted it.

 

[explod]

Speculative rumour about the source of my post doesnt change the facts.

I can assure you the source is impeccable otherwise I wouldn't have posted it.

Word of mouth do not make facts. You believe it to be so and you want it to be.

In fact people have been convicted of perjury for saying publicly things on what they believed to be absolutely true and proved when tested in a court to be otherwise. And this remember, is a public forum.

Politicians can get away with quoting rumour on the floor of Parliament as there is a written accept ion in law giving them what is known as Parliamentary Privilege.

You will note that they are very careful in what they say to the press (or anyone else for that matter) outside the house.

 

[MrBurns]

In fact people have been convicted of perjury for saying publicly things on what they believed to be absolutely true and proved when tested in a court to be otherwise. And this remember, is a public forum.
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No one should be scared of the truth including you and no amount of scare tactics to supress it will change anything.
The source was credible, so credible I beleive it, you can take it or leave it.

 

[explod]

No one should be scared of the truth including you and no amount of scare tactics to supress it will change anything.
The source was credible, so credible I beleive it, you can take it or leave it.

It is most likely true but that does not make it absolutely true. It is not a fact at law.

And if you wander through the "Religion is crazy" thread you will note a difference discussed between the elements of truth, facts and belief. Belief till shown as an object (to be felt, touched or seen) is just something residing in the/a head. God resides/exists inside peoples heads.

 

[MrBurns]

It is most likely true but that does not make it absolutely true. It is not a fact at law.
And if you wander through the "Religion is crazy" thread you will note a difference discussed between the elements of truth, facts and belief. Belief till shown as an object (to be felt, touched or seen) is just something residing in the/a head. God resides/exists inside peoples heads.

I think thats overthinking it a bit.
I believe it's very likely true given the source, thats all I know except the source was good.

 

[Julia]

Word of mouth do not make facts. You believe it to be so and you want it to be.

In fact people have been convicted of perjury for saying publicly things on what they believed to be absolutely true and proved when tested in a court to be otherwise. And this remember, is a public forum.

Might be good to take your own advice.

 

[Logique]

Anyone know what volunteer fire service Tony Abott is attached to?I think in NSW the service is called the RFS...

NSW Rural Fire Service, it's a metropolitan volunteer brigade, north shore Sydney, might be Manly RFB, but you'd have to google.

He's reputedly in southern NSW somewhere with his brigade. I know the Fed Liberal MP was very keen to get her head on TV, projecting involvement and concern.

 

[chiff]

Thanks Logique-I wondered how a city slicker could end up on a rural fire service truck,but that explains it.

 

[MrBurns]

was very keen to get her head on TV, projecting involvement and concern.

You could preface that with "Gillard" as thats looks to be exactly the case in Tas.

 

[explod]

You could preface that with "Gillard" as thats looks to be exactly the case in Tas.

Of course, but on this thread we are discussing Abbott.

 

[MrBurns]

Of course, but on this thread we are discussing Abbott.

I know but it was just too good to let go by

 

[Some Dude]

Or perhaps he is generally a decent person? I don't know him but find the attacks on him to be highly political and often without substance.

And surely being deceptive is not a prerequisite to being a politician? Although the bar does seem to have been set extraordinarily low in the last couple of years.

I suspect most people would find both Gillard and Abbott decent people if they knew them in person.

In your opinion, what is the worst and most political attack you have seen on Abbott? Are there no analogous political attacks on Gillard?

 

[sptrawler]

I suspect most people would find both Gillard and Abbott decent people if they knew them in person.

In your opinion, what is the worst and most political attack you have seen on Abbott? Are there no analogous political attacks on Gillard?

You're absolutely right it's just one side keeps going on about it endlessly.
How many times in the last two years have you heard any interview of a labor member that hasn't been about Abbott. It was getting to the point, people were keeping score of the number of times his name was being mentioned.
The last thing a sitting government should be doing is blaming the opposition.
We have been over this again and again.
Bring on the election, at least it will be decided one way or another.

I suppose if you want my feelings of the worst attack on Abbott. Probably when a member of Gillards staff phoneda mob and incited a physical attack with erroneous information.
Again it just a reflection of what her staff beleived would be looked upon as acceptable behaviour. It is just a sad phase in Australian politics that can't finish soon enough.
Funnily enough the bar has been lowered and the rewards have been raised.

 

[Some Dude]

You're absolutely right it's just one side keeps going on about it endlessly.
How many times in the last two years have you heard any interview of a labor member that hasn't been about Abbott. It was getting to the point, people were keeping score of the number of times his name was being mentioned.
The last thing a sitting government should be doing is blaming the opposition.
We have been over this again and again.
Bring on the election, at least it will be decided one way or another.

You're right on one thing, I have heard ALP members go on, including with hyperbole, about Abbott. But I have equally seen the opposition do the same with Gillard, et al so I really scratch my head when you say that it's just one side going on about it.

In no way am I saying two wrongs make a right in this context, I genuinely think that they all do it because it has been demonstrated time and time again that it works. It will only stop when people don't treat it as acceptable behaviour. In many way, it reminds me of the tribal violence problem where grudges are held for generations with no apparent real benefit, yet it continues.

Destroy The Joint was a good example of what should be happening. Regardless of whether you agree with their purpose or not, they set a standard that no one was to be denigrated in posts because that was what they were objecting with regard to Alan Jones. They enforced this with people commenting against Abbott just as they did with other public figures.

People may disagree with them but if more groups exhibited similar behavioural standards, we would have a much better political environment for it.