explod
explod
- Joined
- 4 March 2007
- Posts
- 7,341
- Reactions
- 1,197
In interesting answer to what I thought was reasonably constructive.
I do not dislike anyone. Not only is it a wasted emotion, but leads to destruction.
Ahh well
Tony Abbott for PM
- Thread starter Garpal Gumnut
- Start date
In interesting answer to what I thought was reasonably constructive.
I do not dislike anyone. Not only is it a wasted emotion, but leads to destruction.
Ahh well
- Joined
- 16 June 2005
- Posts
- 4,281
- Reactions
- 6
So true...
It seems that the labor smear campaign against Abbott is working well. Even those not wanting labor back in are now being successfully distracted from the real issues and have been caught up in the smearing of a person and little to do with politics.
And what is Abbott to do? If he spits out his policies before an election is called, Mz name calling will copy them.
And, have people forgotten just how badly Turnbull polled in 2009?
2pp was 45:55 in labor's favour. And his preferred PM results were dismal. Why would people want Mr Carbon Price Turnbull back?
Turnbull isn't the only choice. Surely there are others who have had longer political experience than him.
Julia
In Memoriam
- Joined
- 10 May 2005
- Posts
- 16,986
- Reactions
- 1,973
You'd hope so. Who would you suggest, sails?
- Joined
- 7 April 2010
- Posts
- 972
- Reactions
- 106
That was a debacle wasn't it? It takes about thirty seconds to look at previous consumption to see if it has gone up or down significantly.
I just received my latest bill and it has gone down slightly due to less consumption (moving out of winter) but the cost per kilowatt hour (kWh) has increased by about 13%
Also, even though I used less electricity my green house gas emissions have gone up, how can this be? Christopher Pyne is the best performer of them all and could run rings around Abbott.
He is likeable, he speaks well, he is through and has been in Parliament long enough to hold his own and I reckon the girls would like him too..
- Joined
- 2 July 2008
- Posts
- 7,102
- Reactions
- 6
He would be a disaster. The Labor party would have a thick dirt file on him, especially after his drinking session with James Ashby. Julia Gillard once referred to him as a "mincing poodle." An apt description I think.
I reckon Pyne could triple the dirt file on Gillard and I think that day is getting much closer.
I would be interested to know from other ASF members as to whom they would choose should Abbott fall.
IFocus
You are arguing with a Galah
- Joined
- 8 September 2006
- Posts
- 7,650
- Reactions
- 4,725
Robert Menzies who formed the Liberal party would be described these days of being left of Turnbul such is the change in punters perceptions driven by the right.
white_goodman
BOC
- Joined
- 13 December 2007
- Posts
- 1,635
- Reactions
- 0
Pyne with Hockeys good speech writer (not the **** one)
white_goodman
BOC
- Joined
- 13 December 2007
- Posts
- 1,635
- Reactions
- 0
similar things could be lumped on the current crop springing up from the left...
maby we should instigate a few rules
- no law society alumnis
- no members of uni student govt
- no ex union lackeys
- demonstrable career in the private sector of atleast 5 years
itd clear the current lot of self entitled narcissists down there in canberra, both sides
wayneL
VIVA LA LIBERTAD, CARAJO!
- Joined
- 9 July 2004
- Posts
- 25,948
- Reactions
- 13,239
The word "Liberal" does not evoke "conservative", I agree. But neither does "Labor" evoke "liberal". (in the literal sense)
However, these terms are somewhat relative and comparisons between different times are probably not useful... particularly considering the economic and social components of each.
- Joined
- 28 October 2008
- Posts
- 8,609
- Reactions
- 39
She does get it right, but it might all be part of his grand plan.
Lure Labor to an early election.
- Joined
- 2 July 2008
- Posts
- 7,102
- Reactions
- 6
Judging by the Newspoll results this morning, I think it is time to put accident-prone Abbott back in his cage and give Julie Bishop a run. There seems little doubt that a lot of Gillard's misogyny dirt is sticking. Julie Bishop could return Gillard's abuse in spades and with impunity.
Any criticism of Gillard is regarded by the left as a sexist smear. A similar situation applies in America where any criticism of Obama is regarded as a racist smear. it is the last resort of cowards to hide behind their gender and race.
Any criticism of Gillard is regarded by the left as a sexist smear. A similar situation applies in America where any criticism of Obama is regarded as a racist smear. it is the last resort of cowards to hide behind their gender and race.
Calliope, the next two weeks of parliament sittings will make or break Abbott but the coaliton will have to pull a rabbitt out of the hat and I just hope they have a magician in the camp to do it.
I would still prefer Pyne to Bishop but who knows, to equal the leadership gender may pay off. Bishop always appears to be nervous when she speaks but at laest Gillard could not use the misogyny crap any more.
- Joined
- 6 September 2008
- Posts
- 7,676
- Reactions
- 68
Pyne is excellent, Bishop is fine but I don't know if the electorate will take on another female PM for a while.
Turnbull is the obvious replacement but he needs to get some balls (excuse the language)
If only Costello would run................
- Joined
- 16 June 2005
- Posts
- 4,281
- Reactions
- 6
Agree, Calliope. Although this nasty lot will find mud on her and throw it without mercy. It's a dubious honour and about the only thing labor are good at. I am not so sure the polls are really reflecting the electorate's disgust with Gillard's nasty mud throwing (the electorate don't usually like it - look at what happened in Qld).
The real polls still reflect a strong move to the libs such as the recent ACT poll in labor heartland with a 7.3% swing to the libs.
And a move back to Turnbull is exactly what the left want. His last polls before he was dumped in 2009 showed a 2pp of 57 to 43 in labor's favour. His preferred leader status was 14 compared to Rudd's 60 (and that was only about 7 months before Gillard declared that Rudd had lost his way...
).Abbott is still doing better than the failed Turnbull at 34%.
No wonder lefties want the failed Turnbull back.
http://www.newspoll.com.au/image_up...on & Leaders Ratings + CPRS + Best Leader.pdf
- Joined
- 23 November 2004
- Posts
- 3,974
- Reactions
- 850
Don't worry about the current polls.
Abbott will be our next Prime Minister.
Abbott will be our next Prime Minister.
- Joined
- 2 June 2011
- Posts
- 5,341
- Reactions
- 242
Agree, Calliope. Although this nasty lot will find mud on her and throw it without mercy. It's a dubious honour and about the only thing labor are good at. I am not so sure the polls are really reflecting the electorate's disgust with Gillard's nasty mud throwing (the electorate don't usually like it - look at what happened in Qld).
The real polls still reflect a strong move to the libs such as the recent ACT poll in labor heartland with a 7.3% swing to the libs.
And a move back to Turnbull is exactly what the left want. His last polls before he was dumped in 2009 showed a 2pp of 57 to 43 in labor's favour. His preferred leader status was 14 compared to Rudd's 60 (and that was only about 7 months before Gillard declared that Rudd had lost his way...
Abbott is still doing better than the failed Turnbull at 34%.
No wonder lefties want the failed Turnbull back.
http://www.newspoll.com.au/image_up...on & Leaders Ratings + CPRS + Best Leader.pdf
Turnbull was more popular the Abbott with Coalition voters last month. I'd also hazard a guess that Turnbull pulls voters in from the middle ground while Abbott pushes them away.
I actually don't think it's just the sexism, Abbott is dull to listen to. I haven't heard one constructive thing come out of his mouth in months. The goverment could say we have found $1 trillion of gold under Uluru and he'd find a way to say it's a bad thing.
white_goodman
BOC
- Joined
- 13 December 2007
- Posts
- 1,635
- Reactions
- 0
id be interested to see what the Polls would say if you threw Costellos name into the mix..
Biggest landslide election win in history imo
Julia
In Memoriam
- Joined
- 10 May 2005
- Posts
- 16,986
- Reactions
- 1,973
+1 to both above. I don't think it's just the sexism stuff. Just considering my own reaction to Abbott (and I utterly detest the Labor government), I'm finding I'm mentally rolling my eyes at his verbal awkwardness and political incompetence both of which seem to be increasing.
He was better when he was on the firmer ground of "the great big new carbon tax" which would wreck everything. Now the carbon tax, at least for now, seems to be a bit of a non issue and he is floundering.
I'm also sick of the Opposition necessarily responding negatively to absolutely everything the government says or does. The Libs wanted the UN seat, but when it was obtained, I don't recall them saying anything positive.
Joe Hockey's comment was along the lines of "well, now perhaps they'll be able to stop the boats".