NBN Rollout Scrapped

[drsmith]

And it doesn't change the fact that its not widely available, even in exchanges where iiNet has DSLAMs because many of those DSLAMs are at capacity anyway.

Where's the choice for those who get better value for money from their existing service, but who will have to move to the NBN as it is rolled out ?

 

[Smurf1976]

How much use is all this speed in the real world?

In 1996 I opened an internet account with a then local company. I had a fancy new 28.8K modem which actually connected at about 21K most of the time. Slow but it worked, and it was all a bit of a novelty anyway.

Sometime later I got the 56K modem, which typically connected at about 45K in actual use. It was noticeably faster.

Then I went to broadband at 256K. Another very noticeable improvement.

Then iiNet upgraded this to 1.5M of their own accord. A minor benefit, but really only for watching You Tube videos etc.

Then they put me on ADSL2+. I've checked the speed, and it tests at 3.35M, but I have not noticed any practical benefit from the higher speed. None whatsoever. Zero. Zip.

A check of iiNet's NBN info finds that the speed will be 12, 25, 50 or 100M depending on which plan I sign up for. I'll pick the cheapest, for the simple reason that if there has been no benefit in going from ADSL1 to ADSL2+ then there is unlikely to be any benefit in a further increase in connection speed.

I must say that the way internet access is sold is somewhat strange.

Imagine if you signed up to be able to use trains for $100 a month including 40 peak trips with a requirement to get off at each station and re-board the next train for any excess trips?

Or if you signed up for 63A of electricity with 450 kWh / month peak and 350 kWh / month off-peak usage, with any excess usage resulting in the lights being limited to one at a time and the hot water cut back to luke warm?

Why don't we just pay for "internet" at the full available speed and then be charged for actual usage? Maybe I've missed something, but other utilities (electricity, gas etc) gave up on the idea of capacity charging for small customers long ago since, with the distributed nature of it all, it ends up ineffective as a means of managing peak demand anyway.

 

[So_Cynical]

Where's the choice for those who get better value for money from their existing service, but who will have to move to the NBN as it is rolled out ?

Choice?

Are you kidding?



Do you choose what street you drive on to get home?

How much use is all this speed in the real world?

In 1996 I opened an internet account with a then local company. I had a fancy new 28.8K modem which actually connected at about 21K most of the time. Slow but it worked, and it was all a bit of a novelty anyway.

Sometime later I got the 56K modem, which typically connected at about 45K in actual use. It was noticeably faster.

Then I went to broadband at 256K. Another very noticeable improvement.

Then iiNet upgraded this to 1.5M of their own accord. A minor benefit, but really only for watching You Tube videos etc.

Then they put me on ADSL2+. I've checked the speed, and it tests at 3.35M, but I have not noticed any practical benefit from the higher speed. None whatsoever. Zero. Zip.

You obviously don't download anything or play games...the difference between 256K and ADSL2+ is night and day.

I just downloaded a little under 2 hours of quality TV programming in a little under 75 minutes, with 256K that would of taken 2 or 3 hours at least...i see the difference everyday.

 

[drsmith]

Do you choose what street you drive on to get home?

One paved in bitumen, not gold.

 

[So_Cynical]

One paved in bitumen, not gold.

Well now your going to get your telephony and internet via Fibre... aren't you lucky.

 

[Smurf1976]

I just downloaded a little under 2 hours of quality TV programming in a little under 75 minutes, with 256K that would of taken 2 or 3 hours at least...i see the difference everyday.

Unless I'm putting it onto some other device, I struggle to see the benefit in downloading 120 minutes of TV in anything under 120 minutes. If it downloads at least as fast as I can watch it, what's the actual benefit in downloading it more quickly?

 

[So_Cynical]

Unless I'm putting it onto some other device, I struggle to see the benefit in downloading 120 minutes of TV in anything under 120 minutes. If it downloads at least as fast as I can watch it, what's the actual benefit in downloading it more quickly?

A bit like arguing, why have cars that can go faster than the speed limit...or why have 4 dinner plates when you only need one for dinner, why 2 phones when you can only use one at a time, or 6 pairs of socks...i could go on.

 

[NBNMyths]

That doesn't change the fact that it's better value for money than the NBN.


Nonsense.

The comparison above is between 40gig/month (with a restriction) and 100gig/month for essentially the same monthly price.

So iiNet have 12 NBN plans. 11 out of 12 offer the same or better value than iiNet's own naked DSL plans. Yet the only one you're interested in is the single DSL plan that offers better value than the cheapest NBN plan?

I think they have a term for that....

Where's the choice for those who get better value for money from their existing service, but who will have to move to the NBN as it is rolled out ?

There's no shortage of choice at all.

If you do happen to be part of the perhaps 0.1% of Australians using iiNet's cheapest naked DSL plan, and are concerned about being forced to pay $10 more per month for double the data volume, then you could always switch to another provider such as the Exetel plan I listed previously. Let me compare the iiNet naked DSL plan with the equivalent Exetel NBN plan, and you can tell us which is better value:

iiNet Naked DSL: 100gig (DL and UL) with VoIP at max. 20/1Mbps, $59.95 per month.

Exetel NBN: 100gig (Uploads not counted) with VoIP, at 25/5Mbps, $50.00 per month.

So Exetel's NBN plan gives unlimited upload volume, gives download speeds at least 25% faster (but probably over 100% faster) and upload speeds 500% faster. All for $10 less per month.

Spin away....

 

[white_goodman]

take your agenda elsewhere, can Joe moderate posters pushing their agendas and only allow people to post who actually contribute to this forum?

 

[dutchie]

take your agenda elsewhere, can Joe moderate posters pushing their agendas and only allow people to post who actually contribute to this forum?

I don't know who your talking about but..

Your kidding aren't you.

Freedom of speech????

 

[NBNMyths]

Bugger me, some randoms have been uploading speed test screen shots from their '4G Mobiles' on the net....most are probably iPhone 5's.

Anyways, have a look at the speed some of them are getting...

Further to my post asserting that these are Optus cable rather than 4G results..... According to Optus they don't have a 4G network in Brisbane yet, making this result rather unlikely, wouldn't you say?
https://www.optus.com.au/shop/networkcoverage/4G/WhereIs4G?sid=con:mob:net:hme:4g:btn::whereis

Courtesy of your mates over on Whirlpool.



Picture from above quote;

Let's assume for a moment that it's correct that Optus are currently testing their 4G in Brissy. All that does is reinforce the point about how impractical 4G is as a replacement for the fixed line. ie: Despite there being very, very few Optus 4G users in Brissy, the "150Mbps" network is only delivering 40Mbps. As I wrote previously, imagine what they'l get with a few thousand trying to share that 150Mbps! Such limitations are why there isn;t a single country or Telco in the World proposing to replace their urban fixed networks with wireless.

That aside, the original 96Mbps speedtest is still clearly not 4G. It's almost a technical impossibility. It's providing double the download speed of the 4G results, yet only 1/40th of the upload speed. It's also providing an almost impossibly low latency (ping) time of 16ms, when all the others are >30ms. Look at every other purported 4G speedtest you've posted, and none match the combination of high download/low upload/fast ping.

Finally, what has it got to do with the NBN anyway?

 

[white_goodman]

I don't know who your talking about but..

Your kidding aren't you.

Freedom of speech????

its a private forum, so freedom of speech CAN be thrown out the window, im talking bout people such as NBNMYTHS, who only come here to post on one thread, push a clear agenda for who knows why, its just murks the discussion. Similar to how on property forums spruikers arent allowed to post selling their respective 'products'.. just a thought.

 

[Bill M]

its a private forum, so freedom of speech CAN be thrown out the window, im talking bout people such as NBNMYTHS, who only come here to post on one thread, push a clear agenda for who knows why, its just murks the discussion. Similar to how on property forums spruikers arent allowed to post selling their respective 'products'.. just a thought.

I find NBNMyths posts right on target. He gives you all the technical information, links, info on the rollout, costs of plans and just about anything to do with the NBN. His comments are very informative and welcome to those (like me) who don't know that much about where we are with the NBN rollout. I welcome his comments far more than those that have political agendas to push, I have no interest in politics and I say a big thank you for all the time and effort NBNMyths puts into this thread.

 

[white_goodman]

I find NBNMyths posts right on target. He gives you all the technical information, links, info on the rollout, costs of plans and just about anything to do with the NBN. His comments are very informative and welcome to those (like me) who don't know that much about where we are with the NBN rollout. I welcome his comments far more than those that have political agendas to push, I have no interest in politics and I say a big thank you for all the time and effort NBNMyths puts into this thread.

dont confuse me as being against what hes saying, im in a similar boat to you although i dont agree on everything he says. My point is where do we draw the line, if I had a brokerage business would you want me on here talking about that trying to get support, no matter how factual or false the things i was saying?

 

[dutchie]

its a private forum, so freedom of speech CAN be thrown out the window, im talking bout people such as NBNMYTHS, who only come here to post on one thread, push a clear agenda for who knows why, its just murks the discussion. Similar to how on property forums spruikers arent allowed to post selling their respective 'products'.. just a thought.

White, would it not be better to have freedom of speech all the time, everywhere?
Although I don't agree with the NBN I must concede that NBNMYTHS has been consistent with his praise of it and one must also concede he has at times provided positive and thought provoking material to the debate.
As far as spruiking is concerned he is the least of ASF worries.
In the end if you find his posts offensive then you can always put him on ignore. I am sure there are people here who are interested in what he has to contribute.

(Irrespective of NBNMYTHS postings I still think the NBN is an expensive, over the top, solution.)

 

[white_goodman]

I agree with everything you said Dutchie, just alerting to a possible slippery slope. Look at what happened over at 'propertyinvesting' forum, it got invaded by spruikers and now the forum is useless.

 

[dutchie]

I agree with everything you said Dutchie, just alerting to a possible slippery slope. Look at what happened over at 'propertyinvesting' forum, it got invaded by spruikers and now the forum is useless.

I appreciate your concern.

 

[drsmith]

Spin away....

The point is that there are examples of ISP's offering better value from their ADSL plans than from their NBN plans. That's not spin, that's fact.

One can pick and chose between ISP's as you suggest, but that's not the point I've raised.

 

[NBNMyths]

dont confuse me as being against what hes saying, im in a similar boat to you although i dont agree on everything he says. My point is where do we draw the line, if I had a brokerage business would you want me on here talking about that trying to get support, no matter how factual or false the things i was saying?

Except I don't work for or have any connection to the NBN or anyone associated with it.

 

[prawn_86]

From a moderators perspective there is nothing long with NBNMyths posts to me. It's obvious it is a cuase he is passioante about, however he never directly directs people to his blog etc and it promotes discussion amongst the community.

Obviously it would be nice if he also commented in technology stock threads where he feels the NBN may have some form of impact in order to promote stock discussion also.