NBN Rollout Scrapped

[Logique]

I was, wondering what the current thinking is, for those following all this, what is expected to happen in regard to

- what will be the price point of telephone and internet service by comparison to existing fixed line/ADSL2+
- when the Coalition comes in, if you're not connected to NBN by then, are you ever likely to be
- what will removal of copper lines elsewhere mean to those remaining on fixed line/ADSL internet, technically and with costs

If the NBN is to offer comparable service at price, then certainly I would want them to connect me on the way past.

 

[sptrawler]

Agree with you on both posts.LOL
If it goes past your house, get it connected.
As Knobby say's it will cost you a lot more later on, when the tax payers aren't paying for it.
I don't agree with it ,I think the money would be better spent on more productive infrastructure. But I will get it put in my house at no cost if it goes past.

This project by Rio will be interesting, when the yeild results come in the Chinnese will be buying up the Pilbara. Then they can put in a water supply to grow crops for themselves and we will be able to watch it live on the N.B.N. Yeh

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/business/a/-/wa/15024498/rio-uses-mine-water-for-wa-hay-fields/
That soil grows anything if you can keep the water up to it.
It's a shame everyone laughed at Barrnett, and the government decided there was more money in high speed download, than food.

Nothing like a dopy government to blow money and waste opportunity. I must stop posting on this thread I'm negative.

 

[Knobby22]

Rio Tinto into cattle producing, who would have thought?

We desperately need good infrastructure decisions like the fast train link between Melbourne and Sydney, better public transport, fix the road between Sydney and Brisbane, it goes on and on.
It was good to hear Jeff Kennett saying that now is the perfect time for Australia to borrow money at low interest rates and fix the place up. Too many rent seekers who like the present situation.

 

[drsmith]

It was good to hear Jeff Kennett saying that now is the perfect time for Australia to borrow money at low interest rates and fix the place up. Too many rent seekers who like the present situation.

The PIIGS if they could go back might have taken a different view to more debt. The starting point is to make better use of what we allready have/borrowed.

Regarding debt, David Marray last night made some very good points last night on 7:30,

LEIGH SALES: Given what's potentially ahead, how effectively do you think that successive governments have managed the proceeds of the resources boom?

DAVID MURRAY: Well I don't think they have because they haven't addressed this fundamental shape of the Australian economy. And what that shape implies is that we need capital from the rest of the world, we have a high operating leverage problem in the budget, that is, the welfare costs in Australia are so high that when - forget the boom, commodities always change prices. And a seller of commodities is a price-taker whereas we have a high fixed-cost in our budget, mostly in welfare, which is now up to 100 per cent of the personal tax take. So, with those problems and a persistent current account deficit, Australia is not a country that can afford very much public debt, yet the public debt's been rising.

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2012/s3603244.htm

My bolds.

 

[NBNMyths]

I was, wondering what the current thinking is, for those following all this, what is expected to happen in regard to

- what will be the price point of telephone and internet service by comparison to existing fixed line/ADSL2+
- when the Coalition comes in, if you're not connected to NBN by then, are you ever likely to be
- what will removal of copper lines elsewhere mean to those remaining on fixed line/ADSL internet, technically and with costs

If the NBN is to offer comparable service at price, then certainly I would want them to connect me on the way past.

Q1
The price NBN v ADSL2+phone price points are already out there. In a nutshell:
- The price of NBNw/phone from most telcos is cheaper than ADSL2w/phone from Telstra.
- The price of NBNw/phone from most telcos is the same as where those carriers have their own ADSL2 network.
- The price of NBNw/phone from Telstra is the same as ADSL2w/phone from Telstra.

Q2
My best guess re coalition is that they will honour all existing rollout contracts. That means the rollout will continue unchanged for at least 2 years beyond the next election. What happens after that is more murky. There are two realistic possibilities:
1) Due to pressure and increasing demand they will continue with the rollout, while bleating about contracts, costs, bad management etc. They will say "we have been forced to continue it but will do a better job of management".

2) They will renegotiate the Telstra contract and downgrade the rollout to FTTN. This will offer a maximum speed of about 50Mbps. I would expect that FTTN pricing for 12/25/50Mbps would be the same as those speeds on the "real NBN", but the NBN speeds of 100/250/500/1000Mbps will not be available for those customers. 50Mbps will also be unavailable for many due to distance from the node. Option #2 will present some problems:
- First, we'll have a situation where many regional areas will have considerably better internet capability than many metropolitan areas.
- Second, we will eventually have the problem of needing to upgrade the FTTN to FTTP. How will that upgrade be funded? Will they maintain the NBN's national flat pricing, or will the upgrade areas be forced to pay more to get what 1/3 of the country already has?

Q3
People will get considerable notice (>18 months) and opportunity to switch to the NBN before the copper is switched off. I would guess that stragglers (eg elderly) will get a personal visit, and perhaps their ISP will simply migrate their connection relatively seamlessly. We'll know in 20 months, because the first NBN areas have just been told that their copper will be switched off in 19 months.

 

[moXJO]

NBNMyths is the roll out still on schedule, or is it running behind?

 

[NBNMyths]

NBNMyths is the roll out still on schedule, or is it running behind?

As far as I know, apart from the initial and announced 9-month delay relating to getting the Telstra deal sorted, it's on schedule.

After the Telstra deal was finally signed, they announced a revised 3-year schedule about 8 months ago, which has not changed.

 

[noco]

As far as I know, apart from the initial and announced 9-month delay relating to getting the Telstra deal sorted, it's on schedule.

After the Telstra deal was finally signed, they announced a revised 3-year schedule about 8 months ago, which has not changed.

Two suburbs in Townsville, namely Mundingburra and Aitkenvale has NBN at thier door and in the local paper today they have been told they will have no alterantive but switch very shortly to NBN at $80 per month.

Most of them are only paying $29.95 per month and I think they about to start a riot over the monopoly created by this inept Labor Government.

Please don't come back and tell me they will get a faster service, we already know that. The thing is they are happy with their Telstra provider at $29.95 even though it may be a bit slower.

 

[Julia]

Two suburbs in Townsville, namely Mundingburra and Aitkenvale has NBN at thier door and in the local paper today they have been told they will have no alterantive but switch very shortly to NBN at $80 per month.

Well, I hope their protests are heard all the way to Canberra.
Such an increase would render many low income folk unable to have the internet and is entirely contrary to what was promised.
Perhaps NBN Myths might care to comment?

 

[sptrawler]

I was talking to an old bloke the other day(well older than me) and Iwas asking him how the HAM radio was going.
He told me it isn't really going at all, it is all done on the internet now, so he isn't involved anymore.
It got me thinking, if we(the public) pay for the N.B.N and it gives the private sector unlimited bandwidth. What do we get for free now that we could be forced to get on the internet later.
Well free to air t.v is the obvious one.

 

[So_Cynical]

Two suburbs in Townsville, namely Mundingburra and Aitkenvale has NBN at thier door and in the local paper today they have been told they will have no alterantive but switch very shortly to NBN at $80 per month.

Most of them are only paying $29.95 per month and I think they about to start a riot over the monopoly created by this inept Labor Government.

Please don't come back and tell me they will get a faster service, we already know that. The thing is they are happy with their Telstra provider at $29.95 even though it may be a bit slower.

Is that so...this from the local paper

A basic internet package with 50 gigabytes of data downloads at the fastest speed of 100 megabits per second will set back internet users $59.95 a month on a 24-month contract.

Telco rival Optus released their pricing for the NBN earlier this month with plans starting from $59.

Forced to pay 80 a month hey?

http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/article/2012/02/28/309461_news.html

A nice mix of comments at the bottom of the page...mostly NBN positive.

 

[NBNMyths]

Two suburbs in Townsville, namely Mundingburra and Aitkenvale has NBN at thier door and in the local paper today they have been told they will have no alterantive but switch very shortly to NBN at $80 per month.

Most of them are only paying $29.95 per month and I think they about to start a riot over the monopoly created by this inept Labor Government.

Please don't come back and tell me they will get a faster service, we already know that. The thing is they are happy with their Telstra provider at $29.95 even though it may be a bit slower.

Well, I hope their protests are heard all the way to Canberra.
Such an increase would render many low income folk unable to have the internet and is entirely contrary to what was promised.
Perhaps NBN Myths might care to comment?

Sure. The figures quoted in the article are rubbish. Demonstrably so.

First, the people paying "$29.95" a month now, aren't. They are paying a minimum of $29.95 for ADSL, plus a minimum of $22-32 a month for line rental plus phone calls. So they are paying at least $52 a month. If they are with Telstra, then they are paying a minimum of $80 per month.

Second, NBN plans are available for much less than $80 a month. Exetel have a bundled NBN broadband and phone plan, with 50GB of data each month and flat-rate 10c national calls for $35 per month, total. iiNet have NBN plans starting at $49.95 a month, plus $10 for a phone. Optus are about the same. Skymesh have NBN plans starting at $29.95, or $19.95 if you bundle a phone.


So, far from being forced to pay more, people are able to connect to the NBN for 30% less per month than they pay now for an equivalent service.

The article is just a little more NBN FUD, lapped up by Noco, Julia et al.

 

[noco]

Is that so...this from the local paper



Forced to pay 80 a month hey?

http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/article/2012/02/28/309461_news.html

A nice mix of comments at the bottom of the page...mostly NBN positive.

So_Cynical, your link appears a bit out dated (FEB 28 2012) my friend and what you read then would have been Labor Party spin. Good try old fellow!!!!!!

My link was published yesterday Saturday 13/10/2012 and much more up to date.



http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/article/2012/10/13/367611_news.html

 

[NBNMyths]

So_Cynical, your link appears a bit out dated (FEB 28 2012) my friend and what you read then would have been Labor Party spin. Good try old fellow!!!!!!

My link was published yesterday Saturday 13/10/2012 and much more up to date.



http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/article/2012/10/13/367611_news.html

Yes, but that doesn't make it accurate. Don't take my word for it, check Exetel's NBN pricing for yourself:
http://www.exetel.com.au/residential-fibre-pricing-mainland.php

Starting at $35 month for broadband with phone, with 10c national un-timed calls. That's 30% less per month than what people pay now, with calls >50% cheaper than now.

Then there is the info from Telstra itself, which shows that their ADSL and NBN pricing is identical (Even though their NBN speed is faster):
http://www.telstra.com.au/my-offer-summaries/bundles/

 

[drsmith]

The journalist in the article above I think has compared Telstra's cheapest stand alone broadband plan ($29.95pm) to their cheapest NBN plan ($80pm).

http://www.telstra.com.au/internet/home-broadband-bigpond-elite-plans/
http://www.telstra.com.au/internet/national-broadband-network/our-plans/

 

[NBNMyths]

The journalist in the article above I think has compared Telstra's cheapest stand alone broadband plan ($29.95pm) to their cheapest NBN plan ($80pm).

http://www.telstra.com.au/internet/home-broadband-bigpond-elite-plans/
http://www.telstra.com.au/internet/national-broadband-network/our-plans/

Correct. He has failed to realise that to get the $29.95 "stand alone" broadband, you must first have a home phone with Telstra at a cost of $31.95 per month, for a total of $62 per month.

The $80 NBN plan includes the home phone plus assorted free/cheap phone calls in addition to the broadband.

As I said, if you compare apples with apples, both Telstra's copper and NBN entry plans are the same (exorbitant) $80 price.

 

[So_Cynical]

The journalist in the article above I think has compared Telstra's cheapest stand alone broadband plan ($29.95pm) to their cheapest NBN plan ($80pm).

http://www.telstra.com.au/internet/home-broadband-bigpond-elite-plans/
http://www.telstra.com.au/internet/national-broadband-network/our-plans/

The so called journalist from Townsville must be a mate of GG's, well practised in the art of attention seeking headlines followed by a complete lack of substance...happy to compare Apples with Oranges.

 

[DB008]

Will there be a 'naked NBN' option? Or, will someone like internode/dodo have a package for $60 which includes line and NBN in one price?

 

[NBNMyths]

Will there be a 'naked NBN' option? Or, will someone like internode/dodo have a package for $60 which includes line and NBN in one price?

Telstra don't offer naked anything.

Most of the other ISPs offer naked NBN. Exetel's $35 includes a free phoneline if you want it, but you don't have to.

TPG offer unlimited data NBN at 12Mbps, with phoneline and calls for $70.

 

[Julia]

The article is just a little more NBN FUD, lapped up by Noco, Julia et al.

Criticism accepted, NBN Myths. I should know better than to just believe such an allegation.
Your clarification and explanation is appreciated.