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IFocus said:
Yes correct but the nats are pretty out there in those regions hence ripe for Liberals / independents the independents are still conservative just not right wing.
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They were people with a grudge. Just listen to Tony Windsor's recent spray at Tony Abbot during the August session of parliament.

They also wanted to be remembered as something more than just being independents. They wouldn't have got that backing a Coalition government.
 
drsmith said:
They were people with a grudge. Just listen to Tony Windsor's recent spray at Tony Abbot during the August session of parliament.

They also wanted to be remembered as something more than just being independents. They wouldn't have got that backing a Coalition government.
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Windsor had worked with conservative NSW state governments previously with out reservation Nick Greiner government being one.

He knows Abbott well and picked his flaws perfectively the biggest problem was Windsor figured.
Abbott would run back to an election had he formed government.

The question is how bad was Abbott for two conservative independents to side with Labor.

This has largely been ignored by anyone who has been happy to label them with any nasty agenda.
 
IFocus said:
Windsor had worked with conservative NSW state governments previously with out reservation Nick Greiner government being one.

He knows Abbott well and picked his flaws perfectively the biggest problem was Windsor figured.
Abbott would run back to an election had he formed government.

The question is how bad was Abbott for two conservative independents to side with Labor.

This has largely been ignored by anyone who has been happy to label them with any nasty agenda.
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That's probably true, but how far can you keep running out the social agenda, before the elastic band snaps.:eek:

It's a bit like mum and dad trying to keep running the home budget in the red, eventualy it becomes a problem.

Lets be honest, if the government of the last six years was doing well, we would be flying. Stupid spending a signature of labor.
 
IFocus said:
He knows Abbott well and picked his flaws perfectively the biggest problem was Windsor figured.
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Julia Gillard of course is such a saint that she would never do that even if it was to her political advantage. :rolleyes:

Tony Windsor did not support the Coalition because he wanted a carbon tax and would only deal with a party that would introduce a carbon tax regardless of what they said to the electorate beforehand. It's there in parliamentary speech I refered to earlier, along with the obvious bile towards Tony Abbott.
 
drsmith said:
Julia Gillard of course is such a saint that she would never do that even if it was to her political advantage. :rolleyes:

Tony Windsor did not support the Coalition because he wanted a carbon tax and would only deal with a party that would introduce a carbon tax regardless of what they said to the electorate beforehand. It's there in parliamentary speech I refered to earlier, along with the obvious bile towards Tony Abbott.
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Jeez Doc, I think you are giving Tony Windsor a bit too much credit. From the snippets I've seen of him, he seems to struggle with the issues. Comes across as being past his use by date, to coin a phrase.:confused:
 
drsmith said:
...Tony Windsor did not support the Coalition because he wanted a carbon tax and would only deal with a party that would introduce a carbon tax regardless of what they said to the electorate beforehand. It's there in parliamentary speech I refered to earlier, along with the obvious bile towards Tony Abbott.
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I think that was his excuse. It seems entirely possible that he never intended to side with the coalition. I understand that Bruce Hawker is his cousin.
 


Transcript;

http://notesfromeleanorbloom.blogspot.com.au/2012/08/windsors-shining-moment-in-question-time.html

The decision to do something about climate change, whether it be through an Emission Trading Scheme or a carbon pricing arrangement, but to put a price on carbon, was a condition of the formation of government.
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He went on to say;

The Leader of the Opposition is well aware of the discussions that were held. It was a condition of the formation of government. He was prepared to do anything if in fact he'd been called upon, and if he had been asked to put in place an Emission Trading Scheme or a carbon tax for that matter, he would well have done it.

The fact that he wasn't asked is something of very, very good judgement in my view.
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It's clear from the above that he had no intention of supporting a Coalition government from the outset.

My bolds.
 
numbercruncher said:
Some of the right wing brigade are a bit of a worry .....




Sacked !

Whos next ?
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Guess who has the most ministers required to stand down or are sacked?

It is fair to say the tone of political debate has never, ever been so vituperative. That applies to both sides, but it applies more particularly to the right.
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And this summery

Meanwhile, Australia's media accuse the present "disgraceful, contemptible, corrupt government" of continuing "its ever downward spiral of lies and criminal acts". This would seem, however, not supported by objective analysis.
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http://www.theglobalmail.org/feature/truth-tally-whats-wrong-with-australian-political-debate/372/
 

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IFocus said:
Guess who has the most ministers required to stand down or are sacked?




And this summery




http://www.theglobalmail.org/feature/truth-tally-whats-wrong-with-australian-political-debate/372/
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umm hello... would the Gillard govt be better if none were stood down? shows you can commit blue murder/fraud to hearts content and still keep the seat...

maby we can all come to the grown up decision not to rely on egomaniacs and narcissists that have gone from law society to party to parliament as a representations of society, on all sides. The majority have no discernible ability and on net are worse for the country
 
IFocus, all that shows is, Labor memebers have enough dirt on each other to hold their position no matter what.
Didn't Gillard try to sack a couple of ministers last year, they turned around and said 'no' I'm not going. So they enlarged the cabinet.LOL,LOL
 
Appears most have missed the point that of the perpetrated fraud of a lying over blown argument put forward by Abbott simply isn't true.

Ministers get sacked because of the pressure applied by oppositions to stuff ups or inappropriate conduct / decisions.

You may hate the government for all sorts of reasons but the claims of disgraceful, contemptible, corrupt government" of continuing "its ever downward spiral of lies and criminal acts isn't true but a refection of how poorly the current political debate is.

The article is worth a read IMHO BTW

http://www.theglobalmail.org/feature/truth-tally-whats-wrong-with-australian-political-debate/372/
 
IFocus said:
Appears most have missed the point that of the perpetrated fraud of a lying over blown argument put forward by Abbott simply isn't true.

Ministers get sacked because of the pressure applied by oppositions to stuff ups or inappropriate conduct / decisions.

You may hate the government for all sorts of reasons but the claims of disgraceful, contemptible, corrupt government" of continuing "its ever downward spiral of lies and criminal acts isn't true but a refection of how poorly the current political debate is.
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All true.

I have a theory though why the conservative side gets sacked more often.
Labor tends to 'protect" their MPs more. This means that when the stuff up they get forgiven but when they do get sacked it is usually for serious offences that everyone turned a blind eye to for a long time over the years be it corruption or misbehaviour.

Conservative MPs usually get sacked for idiocy, not serious offences, but they get sacked a fair bit more as pointed out.
 
IFocus said:
You may hate the government for all sorts of reasons but the claims of disgraceful, contemptible, corrupt government" of continuing "its ever downward spiral of lies and criminal acts isn't true but a refection of how poorly the current political debate is.
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Craig Thomson of course represents the pinnacle of the fine qualities anyone can have in public life,

in Labor's eyes.
 
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